Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 225

On July 22 2011 05:14 awha wrote:
I am sorry if this has been answered already, but has any official statement been released by EG?

On July 22 2011 05:14 chatuka wrote:
I don't think Puma will find practice partners in kOrea to play for in SC2. unless he changes his name. I agree, that EG will be affected by backlash by the Korean SC2 scene. Honestly, i don't even think this is that great of a move by EG. Until EG start raising their homegrown talent or recruit amazing foreign talents spanning the globe. One Korean person, who is a hot name, will not Change the fortunes of EG. they need to competely overhaul their roster. Or change the practice routine and Nutrition and diet of team members. Organic food and distilled water. Air filters of Hepa quality..
That will start improving the mind of these pro gamers.

On July 22 2011 05:14 chatuka wrote:
I don't think Puma will find practice partners in kOrea to play for in SC2. unless he changes his name. I agree, that EG will be affected by backlash by the Korean SC2 scene. Honestly, i don't even think this is that great of a move by EG. Until EG start raising their homegrown talent or recruit amazing foreign talents spanning the globe. One Korean person, who is a hot name, will not Change the fortunes of EG. they need to competely overhaul their roster. Or change the practice routine and Nutrition and diet of team members. Organic food and distilled water. Air filters of Hepa quality..
That will start improving the mind of these pro gamers.

On July 22 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:

It is? I'm curious what exactly you mean.

I don't know that much about standard employment practices but I am pretty sure it's regular in the U.S. to set up a second job before you quit your first, and give your two weeks' notice/notify your employer of the other job only once you have that job set up. My understanding is that it's mostly NCCs that prevent companies from approaching other companies' employees with job offers, not business ethics.

I can think of a couple examples to support this understanding: college football coaches being hired away by NFL teams before announcing that they've left their colleges, low-level execs at companies being courted for CEO-ships at other companies...

What examples are you thinking of when you say that this conduct is "frowned upon"?

On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:

Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.

Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.

On July 22 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:

It is? I'm curious what exactly you mean.

I don't know that much about standard employment practices but I am pretty sure it's regular in the U.S. to set up a second job before you quit your first, and give your two weeks' notice/notify your employer of the other job only once you have that job set up. My understanding is that it's mostly NCCs that prevent companies from approaching other companies' employees with job offers, not business ethics.

I can think of a couple examples to support this understanding: college football coaches being hired away by NFL teams before announcing that they've left their colleges, low-level execs at companies being courted for CEO-ships at other companies...

What examples are you thinking of when you say that this conduct is "frowned upon"?

On July 22 2011 05:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

most of the information coming out of EG recently has been about Necrons and Orks lol. To my knowledge, no official statement has been made yet

On July 22 2011 05:02 seoul_kiM wrote:


Your argument is full of holes.
- Incontrol isn't EG management and he doesn't decide who joins the organization.
- Ethics and business don't exactly go hand-in-hand. It's 2011 and we're in the middle of a recession. Ethics went out the door before the Robber Barons.

On July 22 2011 05:18 [Atomic]Peace wrote:

JWD is correct here. Businesses make offers to employees of other businesses all the time in the US. The most professional thing to do is to bring the offer to your current employer and see if they can match it, but employees are by no means obligated to do that.

On July 22 2011 05:19 ronpaul012 wrote:


A few things. First of all most of the time the employee is the one that searches out for a new job, very rarely does the other business offer the person a job without applying. The other thing I think that tsl is annoyed at was where it happened. They talked to him during nasl, not through an email. Its like showing up at a somebodies job, while they're working and saying hey, you should come work for us. Does it happen sometimes? Sure. Does that mean its professional? Well that comes down to your personal point of view.

On July 22 2011 05:17 BeefyKnight wrote:
If you were a player would you want teams to come to you with better offers? Or would you rather they went and asked your manager first so he could say "No, leave my top players alone." EG is looking out for the PLAYER here. You know, the person that MATTERS in this situation. Every one saying EG was un-ethical need to re-evaluate their ethics.

On July 22 2011 05:20 Eurekastreet wrote:



-Wrong, he made them recruit Puma so they can get a skincare and body lotion as their next big sponsor and both Puma and Anna and that blonde chick can cover themselves in oil on the main stage during the NASL season 2 finals match breaks while he bench presses 700 tons of steel because after the epic Eminem cover, that's obviously what us nerds want to see. This is gonna change everything.
-Did you just try and advocate some kind of "but Mooooom he did it first " way of life ?

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On July 22 2011 05:20 Domination wrote:
All I know is that I have a tough time believing that EG is just an innocent little flower targeted by drama llamas when something always seems to happen involving either their team or their players on a bi-weekly basis.

On July 22 2011 05:22 PHC wrote:
On another note, some esports fans are showing their true colors:

Aikepah Austin Welch
@OrangeMilkis I would call him unemployed because he wasn't getting paid from TSL
26 minutes ago

Aikepah Austin Welch
@OrangeMilkis It wouldn't be an issue if Koreans grew up and stopped crying just because TSL lost all of their players to teams that pay.
5 minutes ago

Wooju Lee
@Aikepah Can you stop tweeting me culturally insensitive nonsense? Thanks.
4 minutes ago via web

Aikepah Austin Welch
@OrangeMilkis If koreans want to be stupid little fucktards that need to grow up, then no, I wont stop, especially since you are one of them
2 minutes ago

Yuck, can we stop with posts like these...? Holy shit. Disgusting to think he's a part of our community.

On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:

xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl.

puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that?