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Dude how much more naive can you get?
My point is hes a kid.If your a kid you don't look at it long term and say:"Well shit i might as well stay in TSL my skill is improving but i earn JACK SHIT compared to what i could earn if i attend the foreign events.
He had one shot at the NASL, do you think other koreans won't compete in these tournaments? Look at NASL season 2. Full of other koreans. Do you honestly think that PuMa will keep up these "results"?
And your logic of of sc2 failing because more and more koreans are coming over is laughable.If suddenly half of the koreans join foreign pro teams.The foreigners will become better any way you turn it because they will have to in order for them to be able to win anything in the foreseeable future.
Do you have any proof that "foreigners will become better any way"? Because everything I see is, whenever a Korean enters a tournament, he wins it. And HuK is korean in that sense.
It's all about the practice.
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On July 21 2011 18:32 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean- EG relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) I fixed it for you. Stop acting like this one action has so many ramifications to korean-foreign relations.
GO READ PLAYXP. (i'm korean and i'm saying this after perusing playxp along with TL for the past hour or so)
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On July 21 2011 18:31 Grend wrote:
What here makes this into drama? I just do not understand :-/
Teamliquid thread + the letters EG in the title
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On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp)
"negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in korean 4chan"
notice how nonsensical that looks? Again, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
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So, if theres no contract... What is the problem? EG offered Puma more money than TSL, and he chose to go there? How is this even 100 page-worthy?
I get the whole "We trained him bla bla bla", but if you want this things to happened you should probably write contracts..
Edit: spelling..
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On July 21 2011 18:32 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:32 jmbthirteen wrote:
I also find this whole ethics in sports absolutely hilarious. wanna explain why? why would ethics in ANYTHING be absolutely hillarious?
Well, sports are ultimately completely trivial and unimportant.
We're not really discussing sports ethics though, we're discussing ethics of business and employee/employer relationships. Which ARE important.
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On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp)
To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement.
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On July 21 2011 18:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:10 Chaggi wrote:On July 21 2011 18:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2011 18:07 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:06 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2011 18:04 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:03 starcraft2rush wrote:On July 21 2011 18:02 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:01 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:58 vrok wrote:
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Idra is capable of winning LAN tournaments? Source please. How many MLG's has there been? Wait, did he win one of those....last year maybe? Against foreigners, maybe? Then suddenly koreans, IdrA not winning. A coincidence? Idra got 4th.?? everyone else got fukin slaughtered by the koreans as well. The point is that IdrA can't stand against the koreans constantly, he is not at their level. How is that going to help against koreans? Yea sure, PuMa will beat foreigners, too, but he won't be able to beat koreans constantly by just practicing with bad players. Why do you want SC2 to fail outside of korea so hard? Why not give foreign teams a chance to take the game seriously before the whole "puma will turn to shit without korean practice partners" line? I don't want SC2 to fail, it's just that foreigners are clearly not able to compete with the koreans. They have shitty practice conditions and also focus on marketing/PR way too much. To say it in the words of an ancient member: Foreigners still suck. And how do they get better? By GETTING GOOD PLAYERS AND TEAM HOUSES. This is what EG is doing. If your logic is that Real practice + Team house = bad players because they are not in korea, you are being kinda racist. Except you don't understand why Korea succeeds as well as they do. The culture here supports progamers. Ask anyone on the street about pro gaming and most people in the States would just laugh at you. EG House is a right step, but no one is silly enough to think that it's enough to compete with all the perks of living in Korea to be a top player. It has to start somewhere. EG is doing it right. Bring in a top Korean pro, get a team house, practice like the Koreans and have the environment like a Korean pro house. Foreigners cannot continue to rely on just going to Korea to reach their level. They need to raise the level right here in the States and in Europe. What EG is doing will do just that.
I hope they are doing it right, but that just has to be seen. After Cool and Tester swapped didn't they enjoy the freedom and slack a lot? Say Puma comes over to the EG House, who's to stop him from sleeping in and chilling in the pool.
I don't know how the house works but just bringing in a pro, getting a team house and practice harder than normal does not make it anywhere similar to what makes a Korean house produce the results it does.
It could somewhat approach the idea and hopefully that is enough to make everyone else involved step it up, other American/European teams, ladder quality, "dominating tournament performances".
I hope that will happen but what I "worry" about the most is that in the end, it's all about the players and everyone involved to give up everything and go die hard champion mode.
When you don't get utterly slaughtered like you would in Korea, I feel you are going to miss the essential motivation that comes from that to actually pull through and get results. Let alone the efficacy of practicing in that environment.
I also worry that a talented player like Puma will start to enjoy the freedom he is given and will in turn become a washed up player.
Obviously I cannot make any claim about this since it's all up to him, even if he does decide to chill more there is no way I can blame him for that or hold it against him. It could however contribute to some of the detriment that comes from false hope. With that I mean I hope the other EG players don't depend themselves on someone like Puma.
Let me just end that I do agree it could be a move in the right direction, there are also a lot of valid uncertainties people can point out so it will all just have to be seen if it goes as desired.
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On July 21 2011 18:33 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) "negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in korean 4chan" notice how nonsensical that looks? Again, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
you obviously have no idea, if you're juxtaposing 4chan and playxp. playxp is pretty much the biggest korean SC2 community website. not even close to 4chan, that's more like dcinside.com
please, if you have no idea what you're talking about, just dont say anything..
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On July 21 2011 18:34 Blitz Beat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement.
They could point at this thread and say we foreigners are furious. Since when is one site on the internet relevant to anything? Drama comes and dies just as fast.
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I don't like the decision, it will reflect poorly on the foreign scene or at least their teams and itself as a corporation, I hope things work out better soon because I hardly doubt TSL will look like the bad guy at the end of this.
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All i can say at the end of this is people better settle down and wait for more info.
I will say this tho.
EG...................living up to the name
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On July 21 2011 18:33 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) "negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in korean 4chan" notice how nonsensical that looks? Again, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.
playxp is not korean 4chan at all
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On July 21 2011 18:34 Blitz Beat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement.
Who cares if koreans are mad?
I lost my respect for their opinion with the SlayersEVE bullshit.
It's not like they can boycott foreigners or something, their SC2 scene is already shakey.
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wtf, how can tsl release such a great player as puma, i don't understand, but anyways it's still a huge benefit for the eg team
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well that will be the last player tsl sent to a foreigner event...
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On July 21 2011 18:32 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:32 jmbthirteen wrote:
I also find this whole ethics in sports absolutely hilarious. wanna explain why? why would ethics in ANYTHING be absolutely hillarious?
ummm because of how much more shady things go on in sports than this.
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On July 21 2011 18:35 MOMOPEWPEW wrote:
well that will be the last player tsl sent to a foreigner event...
I'd argue that isn't as interesting now that they don't have Puma.
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On July 21 2011 18:35 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:34 Blitz Beat wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement. Who cares if koreans are mad? I lost my respect for their opinion with the SlayersEVE bullshit. It's not like they can boycott foreigners or something, their SC2 scene is already shakey.
Are you serious?.... wow talk about prejudice at your core, theres no way you can say that without being biased
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I guess it's no fluke that EG stands for Evil Geniuses :D
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