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On July 21 2011 18:30 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:12 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:On July 21 2011 18:08 ArvickHero wrote:On July 21 2011 18:05 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:On July 21 2011 18:02 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:58 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 17:57 Tachion wrote:
Players like Sheth and QXC left ROOT for FXO because of money and travel expenses etc which ROOT couldn't provide. FXOBoss sure didn't consult drewbie and catz and ask them for their permission.
Is this a disrespecting Korean ethics thing? Cause stuff like this is very common when players switch teams in the west. uh no its not, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_(sport) Except there are no rules in place to say EG tampered... we're comparing scenes here, obviously? I know there are no rules in place to say EG tampered, but talking in comparison, that is EXACTLY what EG did (assuming the content in OP is correct). Now assuming Puma did not have a binding contract, it's obviously legally not a problem, but morally? not so sure.. Morals??!?!?!? lol Your thinking like PUMA owes something to TSL..... He owes them nothing and EG has the right to try an make their team the best possible team they can please explain to me what they did wrong? They talked to puma when they were close? ohhhhhh noooooooo -.-..... TSL provided Puma a place to stay and food to eat for free, along with really good practice partners, coaching and some salary (I think). I do think Puma owes something to TSL And puma provided what was obligated off him ( the argument your saying is i fed you don't leave me.....) Puma wearing their shirt for the time he got fed is what he offered back to tsl and he did it till the end.... so your argument is invalid. And to the practice partner he was one offering his practice also and not to say this but they also lost this with sks and fruit dealer.... I guess that's your opinion that simply wearing the uniform is enough, instead of sticking with the team to help them out especially in the teamleagues and practice-wise. Seems awfully stingy to me to consider that a good enough repayment, but maybe I'm just a slight bit more generous than you.
more Generous is the nice way to put it :D....... and why is it stingy its what any athlete of any sport does.....
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On July 21 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:32 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean- EG relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) I fixed it for you. Stop acting like this one action has so many ramifications to korean-foreign relations. GO READ PLAYXP. (i'm korean and i'm saying this after perusing playxp along with TL for the past hour or so)
Koreans on the internet are sensationalist and overreactive to hell, and they suffer from a collective ADHD and a chronic short-term memory. I wouldn't really take it very seriously. Not too different from the "outrages" that have occurred in the foreign SC/SC2 scene.
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Big congratulations to Puma! Played great in NASL and definitely a nice pickup by EG.
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On July 21 2011 18:35 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:34 Blitz Beat wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement. Who cares if koreans are mad? I lost my respect for their opinion with the SlayersEVE bullshit. It's not like they can boycott foreigners or something, their SC2 scene is already shakey.
generalizations are awesome
most of the retarded shit relating to eve was from dcinside
dcinside =/= all of korean netizens
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On July 21 2011 18:36 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:32 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean- EG relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) I fixed it for you. Stop acting like this one action has so many ramifications to korean-foreign relations. GO READ PLAYXP. (i'm korean and i'm saying this after perusing playxp along with TL for the past hour or so) Koreans on the internet are sensationalist and overreactive to hell, and they suffer from a collective ADHD and a chronic short-term memory. I wouldn't really take it very seriously.
change koreans to people and you've got a good grasp on things!
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On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp)
This kind of reminds me of how the NHL started losing Canadian teams. Or when the LA Kings sniped Wayne Gretzky.
Did any Americans give a shit about Canadian/American relations?
It would be a long time before the US overtakes Korea as the epicenter of esports. And Korea will get over it if it happens. Because the beauty of Starcraft remains! 
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On July 21 2011 18:36 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:32 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean- EG relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) I fixed it for you. Stop acting like this one action has so many ramifications to korean-foreign relations. GO READ PLAYXP. (i'm korean and i'm saying this after perusing playxp along with TL for the past hour or so) Koreans on the internet are sensationalist and overreactive to hell, and they suffer from a collective ADHD and a chronic short-term memory. I wouldn't really take it very seriously.
yeah and i'm not gonna take someone who generalize an entire country's people (on the internet) like that and insult them seriously..
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On July 21 2011 18:35 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:34 Blitz Beat wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) To say that koraen netizens are furious... would be an understatement. Who cares if koreans are mad? I lost my respect for their opinion with the SlayersEVE bullshit. It's not like they can boycott foreigners or something, their SC2 scene is already shakey.
The Eve BS was on DCinsider, the equivelent of a 4chan. And it was a vocal minority of bad apples.
This is blowing up throughout playxp and on starcraft2 community sites in Korea. And its a near unanimous uproar there.
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On July 21 2011 18:33 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:32 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean- EG relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) I fixed it for you. Stop acting like this one action has so many ramifications to korean-foreign relations. GO READ PLAYXP. (i'm korean and i'm saying this after perusing playxp along with TL for the past hour or so)
Dramatic people post on forums all over the world unfortunately. Give it a week.
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In a way, it's kinda like taking care of your grandparents. Some Westerners with individualistic values would probably leave them to the care of the retirement home, while Asians are more likely to take care of them at home. Of course, not all Westerners are like that, since families in Spain, Italy, etc., tend to be very tightly knitted. Some might say that it's a phantom guilty conscience, but some also consider "family debt" as a value that cannot ever be repaid.
So, the question is, how much of a "family" do you consider your pro-gaming team to be? Enough to ignore lucrative options? Similar to loyalty, yet not the same.
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On July 21 2011 18:34 legatus legionis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:13 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 18:10 Chaggi wrote:On July 21 2011 18:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2011 18:07 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:06 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2011 18:04 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:03 starcraft2rush wrote:On July 21 2011 18:02 KeksX wrote:On July 21 2011 18:01 Demonace34 wrote:
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How many MLG's has there been? Wait, did he win one of those....last year maybe? Against foreigners, maybe? Then suddenly koreans, IdrA not winning. A coincidence? Idra got 4th.?? everyone else got fukin slaughtered by the koreans as well. The point is that IdrA can't stand against the koreans constantly, he is not at their level. How is that going to help against koreans? Yea sure, PuMa will beat foreigners, too, but he won't be able to beat koreans constantly by just practicing with bad players. Why do you want SC2 to fail outside of korea so hard? Why not give foreign teams a chance to take the game seriously before the whole "puma will turn to shit without korean practice partners" line? I don't want SC2 to fail, it's just that foreigners are clearly not able to compete with the koreans. They have shitty practice conditions and also focus on marketing/PR way too much. To say it in the words of an ancient member: Foreigners still suck. And how do they get better? By GETTING GOOD PLAYERS AND TEAM HOUSES. This is what EG is doing. If your logic is that Real practice + Team house = bad players because they are not in korea, you are being kinda racist. Except you don't understand why Korea succeeds as well as they do. The culture here supports progamers. Ask anyone on the street about pro gaming and most people in the States would just laugh at you. EG House is a right step, but no one is silly enough to think that it's enough to compete with all the perks of living in Korea to be a top player. It has to start somewhere. EG is doing it right. Bring in a top Korean pro, get a team house, practice like the Koreans and have the environment like a Korean pro house. Foreigners cannot continue to rely on just going to Korea to reach their level. They need to raise the level right here in the States and in Europe. What EG is doing will do just that. I hope they are doing it right, but that just has to be seen. After Cool and Tester swapped didn't they enjoy the freedom and slack a lot? Say Puma comes over to the EG House, who's to stop him from sleeping in and chilling in the pool. I don't know how the house works but just bringing in a pro, getting a team house and practice harder than normal does not make it anywhere similar to what makes a Korean house produce the results it does. It could somewhat approach the idea and hopefully that is enough to make everyone else involved step it up, other American/European teams, ladder quality, "dominating tournament performances". I hope that will happen but what I "worry" about the most is that in the end, it's all about the players and everyone involved to give up everything and go die hard champion mode. When you don't get utterly slaughtered like you would in Korea, I feel you are going to miss the essential motivation that comes from that to actually pull through and get results. Let alone the efficacy of practicing in that environment. I also worry that a talented player like Puma will start to enjoy the freedom he is given and will in turn become a washed up player. Obviously I cannot make any claim about this since it's all up to him, even if he does decide to chill more there is no way I can blame him for that or hold it against him. It could however contribute to some of the detriment that comes from false hope. With that I mean I hope the other EG players don't depend themselves on someone like Puma. Let me just end that I do agree it could be a move in the right direction, there are also a lot of valid uncertainties people can point out so it will all just have to be seen if it goes as desired.
Agreed.After Idra came to NA and he started practicing 3 hours a day.
Now he cant barley compete with koreans.He's getting lucrative salary and you dont really have to win tournaments thus you could coach and stream getting extra money.
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On July 21 2011 18:34 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:33 farvacola wrote:On July 21 2011 18:30 Namu wrote:On July 21 2011 18:29 Defacer wrote:On July 21 2011 18:24 Pekkz wrote:
They truely are evil geniuses.
Pretty disgusting way to go about it indeed. I agree they're evil geniuses, but I think how they went about it was absolutely baller. Shine on EG, you evil bastards. Thank you for continuing to raise the stakes and set the bar for e-sports teams high. If, as a result of EG's aggressiveness: a) Korean teams have to raise the standard of living and pay for their players, and b) foreign teams have to scout and bring on Korean players to remain competitive then that's good for the sport in the long run. c) negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in playxp) "negative impact on the korean-foreign relationship in stacraft2 (which has very evidently already happened, just look at the response in korean 4chan" notice how nonsensical that looks? Again, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. you obviously have no idea, if you're juxtaposing 4chan and playxp. playxp is pretty much the biggest korean SC2 community website. not even close to 4chan, that's more like dcinside.com please, if you have no idea what you're talking about, just dont say anything..
If what you say is true, then their threads are likely to be just as full of hot air and over-dramatization as teamliquids. If Koreans based their conception of the foreigner sc2 scene based solely on TL thread posts then we would all be damned.
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Congratz EG Puma fightingg !
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Sounds like the Koreans are being self-centered elitists as usual. What right do they have to get so angry if PuMa was offered a better contract by a non-Korean team? I have a feeling that if Puma had moved to another Korean team, such as oGs or StarTale, this wouldn't be nearly as dramatic.
I will concede, however, that if PuMa is going to be practicing only with foreigners now, that his eSports career is doomed.
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Let's just say the same result could most likely have been made without the same level of hard feelings etc between the teams, why EG chose not to do it that way is beyond me, but we probably don't have all the information either.
Aside from that I think it is great to see really good Korean players join foreign teams.
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I just hope Puma won't regret his decision later on. But once again, grats for both!
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On July 21 2011 18:35 DerBeefman wrote:
wtf, how can tsl release such a great player as puma, i don't understand, but anyways it's still a huge benefit for the eg team
They didnt have a contract signed with him, so when EG offered a contract they really couldnt do anything.
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I wonder if they give Puma a Salary similar to Idra's or if they decided to use his inexperience.
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