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On July 21 2011 18:01 jarrydesque wrote:
You have to laugh at all the tough guys putting on their grim faces and dropping the "it's business" like it's a 10 ton argument stopper. By saying things like that, you're actually showing that you have no idea what business is about. Any big corporation would want to be seen as ethical and reputable. Going around shafting people earns you a bad reputation which is bad for business. This is common sense.
I don't study law, but it is my understanding that an oral contract is no less binding than a written contract (as recognized by the law) with the only exception being through the Statute of Fraud - essentially denying that there was an agreement altogether. In my opinion, if you receive a salary from someone, there must be some sort of understanding, contract or no.
Aaaanyway, none of that really matters now, because it is done. There is nothing more to comment on until EG makes a statement.
Lol you are way overanalysing that. Sure there might be an implied contract for some purposes, but not one in which the player cant leave.
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On July 21 2011 18:25 jmbthirteen wrote:
Except it really isn't shady.
That's where the argument starts.
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On July 21 2011 18:26 tripledoubles wrote:
TSL = Cleveland Cavaliers
PuMa = LeBron James the Quitness
EG = Miami Heat
Not even close, not really right to be insulting Puma and all of EG. It's inappropriate when you're acting on pure emotion.
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TSL manager should be pissed like fuck.
There's so much money on the foreign scene so as Rain noticed.
EG used to have the worst players with biggest sponsors and only being focused on marketing.
Now they're finally realizing how shit the players are.I expect Lzgamer getting sacked since he would be redudant now.
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Guys, do you truly believe that TSL would have let Puma go if EG asked the coaches? Or the coaches wouldn't even let Puma know that EG is interested in him? You have to keep in mind that some managers are extremely protective of their members.
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I don't understand what all this drama is about. If TSL is incapable of keeping their own players in their own team they should deserve losing them. Clearly something is wrong with this team. I don't think any other korean player would switch this fast.
Congratualtions to EG, hope it works out well.
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On July 21 2011 18:26 Doodsmack wrote:
What does it say about the human race that we have 107 pages of sweeping conclusions and condemnations despite having very little information about what actually happened (and only one side of the story)?
That very few interesting things happen between major tourneys in SC2 and 50-100k people are bored and look for ESPORTS DRAMA
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On July 21 2011 18:26 tripledoubles wrote:
TSL = Cleveland Cavaliers
PuMa = LeBron James the Quitness
EG = Miami Heat
and LeBron made the right decision
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On July 21 2011 18:09 Vihannes wrote:
101 pages of stubid and pointless shitstorming this is even worse than the comments of rebecca blacks videos
Good thing that you're here to make a comment that really contributes to the thread!
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This is awful 
Now i'm beginning to feel a bit different about the SC2 scene in Korea. I was looking at it with rose coloured goggles, but this being allowed to happen makes it clear to me that we need a little more KESPA (attitude, structure, etc, not the body itself) in our Korean teams.
It saddens me enough when players leave sports clubs, but at least there they're not allowed to just be poached. Contracts are everything. Why they're not here? I need more info. This doesn't feel right.
Hope more truth comes out soon, and not PR spin.
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EG simultaneously picks up a crazy sick good terran player, AND makes korean teams more hesitant to send players to foreign tournaments? They really are evil geniuses :D
Idra, Puma, and Demuslim FTW EG fighting.
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On July 21 2011 18:20 FXOpen wrote:
Maybe I should have been a little more clear.
My line about scoots, it was supposed to imply, I am waiting for his statement... Then the rest was "but if its trues".. Sorry, Am under slept.
I forgot posting on TL is like walking on glass... My bad.
Oh, you're only 100+ pages into the Trollishness. I just inadvertently got everyone started on DRG being picked up by EG. That should be good for at least another 10 pages.
We'll know a lot more in the morning, West Coast time, I'm sure.
And, we can't discount what's been going on at TSL. It's entirely possible that EG just asked and Puma "sprung" this on his coach. We'll not know for a bit.
Hopefully you can get some sleep soon!
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On July 21 2011 18:26 Benga wrote:
TSL manager should be pissed like fuck.
There's so much money on the foreign scene so as Rain noticed.
EG used to have the worst players with biggest sponsors and only being focused on marketing.
Now they're finally realizing how shit the players are.I expect Lzgamer getting sacked since he would be redudant now.
that is kinda DISRESPECTFUL bro....
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"There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"
Yeah, it's called a good contract.
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On July 21 2011 18:18 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:17 TheKefka wrote:
I really cant read thru all of these 100 pages but as far as i come i see people going on about the how EG is this big bad corporate engine that stole away innocent Puma and that Puma had no choice but to take the deal(lol?)
Seriously guys ill tell you something.
This guy Puma,hes 19 years old,since the sc2 came out he has struggled to get into code A.
Than what happens is he gets invited to this foreign event and wins 50 k $.
He is 19 years old and you win 50 k $(or 40 forgot what it was) in a foreign tournament,he goes home,looks at the pit of code B that takes a heroic effort to climb out of and code A which prize pool is just laughable,he looks at all that,and he takes the first fucking offer to join a foreign pro team that comes to you on the table.Can you blame him or EG?
You people need a reality check. You completely missed the point that he was only able to win the 50k$ because his team made him good and the foreigners suck balls compared to the koreans. Joining the foreigners will make him bad and he won't get the price money and will sit there, next to incontrol, and as himself "Why are the good koreans stealing our prize money!?" I really don't want SC2 to fail but if this don't stop we will have the bubble bursting within the next few months because people recognize that the foreigners are just playing the game and the koreans actually practicing and taking it as a sports, which will conclude into KR being again the only place where SC2 matters and the foreigner scene moving on to the next game.
Dude how much more naive can you get?
My point is hes a kid.If your a kid you don't look at it long term and say:"Well shit i might as well stay in TSL my skill is improving but i earn JACK SHIT compared to what i could earn if i attend the foreign events.
And your logic of of sc2 failing because more and more koreans are coming over is laughable.If suddenly half of the koreans join foreign pro teams.The foreigners will become better any way you turn it because they will have to in order for them to be able to win anything in the foreseeable future.
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On July 21 2011 18:22 snowbird wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:20 Blaec wrote:On July 21 2011 18:11 SourD wrote:PlayXP.com Article LinkRough Translation summary Korean SCII scene is becoming "farm" for foreign team 1. As of now, there is no contract between players and teams. 2. Infrastructure needs to be setup ASAP to prevent moves like this possible. 3. current SCII organization is not doing much. 4. Foreign SCII scene is becoming huge and Korean SCII scene needs to grow Thanks alot for this. I can't believe we are in a situation where Koreans are scared of their players disappearing to the big money overseas. The statement that there are no contracts between players and teams is falseIt's true for many players, but not for all players.
thank you for your answer. seems playxp staff were exaggerating a bit about the issue. but still, as big korean sc2 scene fan, that article exposes current statues of structure on SC2 scene in korea and i get worried
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On July 21 2011 18:23 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Bull shit, teams are companies. Anytime a player is traded/released/not resigned you always here them say, "its a business" because thats exactly what it is. And EG, one of the most VISIBLE teams, has a responsibility to behave LIKE a business and not embarrass Foreigner E-Sports with shady deals.
Nothing about it is shady.
You are the one claiming that approaching a player with a job offer is shady.
There is no rule in any governing body of SC2 that says a player cannot be approached with an offer. And other than it being professional sport convention, I have not seen an argument explaining why such a rule would be ethical.
I don't think there's anything ethical about a cartel agreement between employers that prevents labor movement and tramples on the rights of employees (often in direct violation of labor laws - since the penalty is applied to the team in the cartel rather than the employee).
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woot this is great news for EG 
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On July 21 2011 18:27 SoniStreet wrote:
Guys, do you truly believe that TSL would have let Puma go if EG asked the coaches? Or the coaches wouldn't even let Puma know that EG is interested in him? You have to keep in mind that some managers are extremely protective of their members.
It's not about whether or not TSL would've let Puma go. That's actually not TSL's decision since apparently there was no binding contract. It's more about ethics... of letting the team know that a deal is going on.
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