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Ridiculisk
Australia191 Posts
She's young and only just starting to get her foot in the door of professional E-sports. Abuse and critisism before she's even played a televised match can be particularly hurtful. Personally, I think Jessica is doing something very noble. She might have overreacted a little, but defending your team mates from internet abuse (and potentially hurtful images) is something I can respect from a team manager. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote: Getting offended is not illegal, nor it's protected by any laws. This isn't defamation, this is disregard-able at worst and funny at best. They most certainly aren't required by law to take action in this case. As for Korean libel laws and Korean internet freedom, we've raised concerns over that previously in this thread. Not everything written in law is logical or sensible. We're talking about Koreans, by the way. And no, twenty more will rise for every one prosecuted for this. This is just snowballing the problem into a bigger problem. so if somebody do get prosecuted and get a fine/jailtime, it will make 20 more people do the same thing even though there's already a previous basis that doing that thing will get you fine / jailtime in a country when your internet ID is tied to your social security ID ? they are troll, not idiot going to jail to prove a point is hardly on their trolling schedule so Jessica is basically doing an all in here, if she succeed then the trolling will stop (on this subject matter at least) | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
My biggest concern in all of this is how Eve is holding up? Would you be concerned about this if it were a young male pro gamer who was being flames? Because I doubt it. And treating Eve like she's some fragile thing that could break with the slightest provocation is itself problematic and a bit misogynistic. Jessica overreacting is really just a sign that she thinks Eve needs to be coddled. That's more detrimental, IMO, than the flames themselves. If you think a male Sc2 pro could handle it, why can't we also assume that Eve can handle it also? | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 20 2011 10:24 Zennith wrote: Would you be concerned about this if it were a young male pro gamer who was being flames? Because I doubt it. And treating Eve like she's some fragile thing that could break with the slightest provocation is itself problematic and a bit misogynistic. Jessica overreacting is really just a sign that she thinks Eve needs to be coddled. That's more detrimental, IMO, than the flames themselves. If you think a male Sc2 pro could handle it, why can't we also assume that Eve can handle it also? you sexist bro? I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after having their face photoshopped onto a porn star, and I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after being shown so much hate from the community in which they want to participate in. It's not all about Eve being a female, it's about the treatment the player had received after being announced as a player on the list. And he didn't say a male sc2 pro could handle it, stop making baseless assumptions. If I were in eves position I'd feel overwhelmed by the amount of hate, disrespect and nonsense that such an arbitrary thing has caused. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
I think people should learn the difference between being a dick and constructive criticism. Because from what I gather usually people post horribly stupid and outlandish things then roll it back saying it was constructive when it was blatantly meant to abuse another person to further some arbitrary "lulz". I think Jessica is just doing what a lot of people would like to do but don't, fighting various cyberbullies. Not saying all of them are legitimate (can't read Korean) but I am will to wager that it wouldn't be that hard to find those that are. I think a lot of knee jerk reaction are people who thrive on not being themselves in a reflective sense. They are who they want to be on the internet regardless of real life implications, and once someone starts linking the actual person to the statements or idea they put on the internet, that security and ability to "leave" is gone and now you are what you say. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
On July 19 2011 20:22 Linwelin wrote: Pretty sure she is the first female sc2 programmer. At least the first female (sc2) programmer in Korea. Ignoring the hate doesn't make it disappear She is not. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
you sexist bro? I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after having their face photoshopped onto a porn star, and I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after being shown so much hate from the community in which they want to participate in. It's not all about Eve being a female, it's about the treatment the player had received after being announced as a player on the list. And he didn't say a male sc2 pro could handle it, stop making baseless assumptions. If I were in eves position I'd feel overwhelmed by the amount of hate, disrespect and nonsense that such an arbitrary thing has caused. The point that I'm making here is that I feel like the community at large (and Jessica in particular) is responding to this differently because the target of these "attacks" is a woman. As was posted recently, putting oneself into the spotlight is a double edged sword, and one should not do it if they are not willing to accept both the positives and the negatives. In this case, the copious amounts of trolling could have and should have been anticipated and in any case, feeding the trolls is hardly the way to deal with them. And people fretting about her personal feelings probably have almost certainly never fretted about the personal feelings of players like Idra or InControl even when they've been the subject of personal attacks. Which has certainly happened. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On July 20 2011 08:45 Greenworld wrote: Most of the "males" of the comunity don't really understand how it feels for a girl to enter in computer game competition. If a "male" person would have been recruited that noone knew anything about him ...almost nobody would have even checked his profile. LIke 70% of the people were just oh oh she is gold level ... but they didn't even think :wait she won a tournament( even if it was a girl tournament we most of us know girls at master lvl or higher) . BUT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL - people thought she was REALLY bad. I can go on but would it matter? .. If this had been a "male", he would not have been on the GSTL team bench the moment he joined, without proving himself in the internal tournaments. The main problem is that SlayerS wanted to rush things and market themselves as a progressive team which has male and female players. Their marketing strategy is too aggressive, and now Eve has to suffer because of her premature introduction to the public E-sports scene. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
LOL. I can just see this 16 y/o girl with a trollface, what a baller. KKY is ridiculous and I honestly dislike her to an entirely new level after reading this thread. It doesn't make me think any less of SlayerS, but she does give them a bad name imo and not all fans are like me where their dislike of one "member" doesn't taint the rest of the team -- especially since she doesn't play. Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening. e-- On July 20 2011 10:33 farvacola wrote: What's difficult for me to understand is how someone so immersed in e-sports, and by corollary the general online environment, is seemingly so caught off guard by these sorts of insults and trolls agreed 100%. welcome to the internet, Jessica? Taking the internet personally takes SUCH a large ego that her actions disgust me. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening. She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself. To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On July 20 2011 11:06 Vei wrote: "The high-school girl replied “ I didn’t mention the tweet to you and I am only conversing with my friends. Problem?” LOL. I can just see this 16 y/o girl with a trollface, what a baller. KKY is ridiculous and I honestly dislike her to an entirely new level after reading this thread. It doesn't make me think any less of SlayerS, but she does give them a bad name imo and not all fans are like me where their dislike of one "member" doesn't taint the rest of the team -- especially since she doesn't play. Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening. e-- agreed 100%. welcome to the internet, Jessica? Taking the internet personally takes SUCH a large ego that her actions disgust me. Well just because someone reacts differently to a situation than you THINK you would (I highly doubt you or someone you know has had that many horrible things said about them) shouldn't make you disgusted by them, though that is the stance you choose to take it's very close minded on your part. Honestly though, SlayerS_Jessica needs to take a class on troll detection @_@ | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On July 20 2011 11:17 Zennith wrote: To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity. It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On July 20 2011 09:56 Ridiculisk wrote: My biggest concern in all of this is how Eve is holding up? She's young and only just starting to get her foot in the door of professional E-sports. Abuse and critisism before she's even played a televised match can be particularly hurtful. She's 22. That's old enough to be a legal adult in every country on Earth. I don't like your tone or what it insinuates, that she is vulnerable. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On July 20 2011 11:23 Elefanto wrote: It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless. Zennith - Date created: Wednesday, 20th of July 2011 - 3 posts.. yeah thought so, adding oil into the fire. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
Uuuuh, I mainly follow the BW scene but seriously, I think she is infinitely more of a celebrity than Idra guys.. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
On July 20 2011 11:28 Probe1 wrote: Being in SK, I'd rather you just put his post to rest by confirming she is not a celebrity rather than pointing out what a poor start Zenniths username has had. You're so caught up on her being or not being a celebrity, when the problem isn't even related to that. How would you feel if people posted fabricated pictures of you, along with sneering vile comments about things they'd want to do to you or think you do (and lets not sugar coat this, all the material would most likely be in a sexual manner). I'm sure since you're probably a big tough guy you'd deal with it, but not everyone is like you. It's right to be ashamed of things others have said about you, it's not right to further beat a person down for having such feelings. | ||
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