Slayers_Jessica overreacting to flamers? - Page 59

Ridiculisk

Australia191 Posts

July 20 2011 00:56 GMT

#1161

My biggest concern in all of this is how Eve is holding up?

She's young and only just starting to get her foot in the door of professional E-sports. Abuse and critisism before she's even played a televised match can be particularly hurtful.

Personally, I think Jessica is doing something very noble. She might have overreacted a little, but defending your team mates from internet abuse (and potentially hurtful images) is something I can respect from a team manager.

sandyph

Indonesia1640 Posts

July 20 2011 01:16 GMT

#1162

On July 20 2011 06:15 Xiphiass wrote:

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On July 20 2011 06:06 farnham wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:24 densha wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:21 Blasterion wrote:
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You obviously haven't read the OP about the part of people photo shopping SlayerSEve into pornographic images. If you were in SlayerSJessica's position I don't think you could just sit back

And yet celebrities are shopped in the same way all the time. Eve is 22 years old and was thrust into the public spotlight by Jessica herself. Is this really something you could, or *should* be able to take someone to court for? Helllll no.

Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing?

Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is.

Because in this case jessica plays the mother figure for eve. and if you would do nothing to stand up for your own daughter. Despite what the circumstances may be I cannot look at you as a human any longer

Yeah and who says you can say things like that on the Internet? Can't look at him as a human being any longer ? What kind of crap is that ?

IMO the Internet is way to complex to start to police on a nation level. It has to be community policies.

Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world?

Oh, shut the fuck up. Every post you make in this thread, you're just jumping around the same strawman arguments all the time. I've replied to you before and you've gotten other people to reply to the same things - yes, if you put your grown up daughter on spotlight, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

This isn't a case for fighting or protecting or defending someone. This isn't a real threat. This is nothing. I will say once more, if something like this affects you - perhaps you need to adjust your priorities in life accordingly.

What the team is doing isn't wise at all. If anything, they should know better that something like this (going even as far as advertising what they're about to do) isn't going to put an end to this, but stir more shit up.

I'd like to ask you instead - what you expect would happen if you announced (together with pictures) that a young female (not known to be a good player) is joining a sc progaming team? Everyone cheering and rainbows flying around?

do you know what the great thing about defamy is ? as long as you dont feel offended its no breech of law. if you do feel offended however it is a criminal act. thats why its required by law that the person getting defamed by another person to take action and demand a criminal procedure. thats basically what slayers eve and kimgayeon did. they just pursued their own rights that were given to them by the korean constitution and by the korena criminal code.

Getting offended is not illegal, nor it's protected by any laws. This isn't defamation, this is disregard-able at worst and funny at best. They most certainly aren't required by law to take action in this case.

As for Korean libel laws and Korean internet freedom, we've raised concerns over that previously in this thread. Not everything written in law is logical or sensible.

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On July 20 2011 06:04 Xiphiass wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:59 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:57 Xiphiass wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:35 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:33 Seldszar wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:30 Blasterion wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:28 densha wrote:

On July 20 2011 05:26 Blasterion wrote:
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Tell me, What's wrong with taking them to court. If your daughter showed up as photoshoped internet porn would you sit back and do nothing?

Why are you so fixated on my daughter? I already said, yes, IF my daughter was of legal age and in the public spotlight, that's just how the world is.

Someone who won't even fight for those who are closest to him what value does he have in this world?

I wouldn't do such a thing in the first place. I never was for Eve joining SlayerS. I am merely supporting Jessica for her actions against the trolls who did the cyber bullying done to Eve.

This isn't cyberbullying. We've gone through this in this thread, too.

Tell me, doesn't going to the police just escalate the problem?

well the kids that commented that shit will get summoned by the police and in the worst case the DA will prosecute them in front of the judge

i doubt they will dare to post anything ever again

We're talking about Koreans, by the way.

And no, twenty more will rise for every one prosecuted for this. This is just snowballing the problem into a bigger problem.

so if somebody do get prosecuted and get a fine/jailtime, it will make 20 more people do the same thing even though there's already a previous basis that doing that thing will get you fine / jailtime in a country when your internet ID is tied to your social security ID ?

they are troll, not idiot
going to jail to prove a point is hardly on their trolling schedule

so Jessica is basically doing an all in here, if she succeed then the trolling will stop (on this subject matter at least)

Zennith

United States795 Posts

July 20 2011 01:24 GMT

#1163

My biggest concern in all of this is how Eve is holding up?

Would you be concerned about this if it were a young male pro gamer who was being flames? Because I doubt it. And treating Eve like she's some fragile thing that could break with the slightest provocation is itself problematic and a bit misogynistic. Jessica overreacting is really just a sign that she thinks Eve needs to be coddled. That's more detrimental, IMO, than the flames themselves. If you think a male Sc2 pro could handle it, why can't we also assume that Eve can handle it also?

MonkSEA

Australia1227 Posts

July 20 2011 01:30 GMT

#1164

On July 20 2011 10:24 Zennith wrote:

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you sexist bro?

I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after having their face photoshopped onto a porn star, and I'd care and wonder how a player would be holding up after being shown so much hate from the community in which they want to participate in. It's not all about Eve being a female, it's about the treatment the player had received after being announced as a player on the list. And he didn't say a male sc2 pro could handle it, stop making baseless assumptions.

If I were in eves position I'd feel overwhelmed by the amount of hate, disrespect and nonsense that such an arbitrary thing has caused.

farvacola

United States18818 Posts

July 20 2011 01:33 GMT

#1165

What's difficult for me to understand is how someone so immersed in e-sports, and by corollary the general online environment, is seemingly so caught off guard by these sorts of insults and trolls. A huge number of people involved in Starcraft 2, hell I'd even say a super-majority, are well acquainted with the childish yet attention grabbing nature of online culture (especially that of forums), where chopped pics, banal spamming, and general trollishness is at least understood to exist, if not be generally disliked and ignored accordingly. Jessica no doubt only has the best of intentions, and yet this incredibly harsh reaction comes off as strange and overbearing, especially considering that these sorts of things are so commonplace. If people in the spotlight spent time litigating and pursuing everyone who tarnished their name or the name of their friend, I'm afraid the end result is nothing more than that spotlight fading away.

Torpedo.Vegas

United States1890 Posts

July 20 2011 01:39 GMT

#1166

If it is something you wouldn't say to someones face and the only reason you feel you can say it is because it in no normal way would be connected to you, then you shouldn't say it. Just because the internet has sanctified anonymity as the norm, with trolls and cynical views status quo, doesn't mean that its right.

I think people should learn the difference between being a dick and constructive criticism. Because from what I gather usually people post horribly stupid and outlandish things then roll it back saying it was constructive when it was blatantly meant to abuse another person to further some arbitrary "lulz".

I think Jessica is just doing what a lot of people would like to do but don't, fighting various cyberbullies. Not saying all of them are legitimate (can't read Korean) but I am will to wager that it wouldn't be that hard to find those that are.

I think a lot of knee jerk reaction are people who thrive on not being themselves in a reflective sense. They are who they want to be on the internet regardless of real life implications, and once someone starts linking the actual person to the statements or idea they put on the internet, that security and ability to "leave" is gone and now you are what you say.

Rylaji

Sweden580 Posts

July 20 2011 01:40 GMT

#1167

On July 19 2011 20:22 Linwelin wrote:

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On July 19 2011 20:18 hippocritical wrote:

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On July 19 2011 20:07 furymonkey wrote:

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On July 19 2011 19:59 furymonkey wrote:

On July 19 2011 19:57 TanX wrote:
Seriously, who the fuck cares about having sexual content photoshop'd with your face on it? what difference does it make to your life? nothing at all! Ignore that shit and be a mature person.

You want to give us your photo? Let us photoshop a bit and post it around the area you live and work, because you wouldn't mind right?

I thought they were posting on an message board called DCInside? If they did post photos of Eve around her home then that is definitely wrong.

The idea is similar, it might be okay for us to have our photoshoped photo floating around the internet, but that is because we won't be famous enough to be recognized and assocaited with the photo.

Just imagine your family, friends and coworker found homosexual content with your face on it, it would be horrible.

Embarrassing yes, but that is part of what happens on the internet, people may find a picture on the internet and do whatever they want with it because that is anonymity of internet. I certainly wouldn't like it if someone did do that, but what I wouldn't track those people down and send them to jail because they sexually harassed me. I don't know their motives, I don't know if they do it for fun or are doing it out of jest, and I shouldn't care if they did it out of malice. People on the internet aren't the same people they are in real life, keyboard warriors like me exist everywhere, but to jail people in real life because they were being huge jackasses? That is a step too far.

so you're saying that you are just not a sensitive 16 years old girl who just stepped into the world of esport as the first female sc2 progamer?

If I was a sensitive 16 year old girl that turned into a female programer (definitely not the first female sc2 programer I would think?), I wouldn't be going on message boards looking for hate threads about me. I'd be training hard and getting better at sc2 so I can prove that sensitive 16 year old female progamers can play at the highest level.

Pretty sure she is the first female sc2 programmer. At least the first female (sc2) programmer in Korea. Ignoring the hate doesn't make it disappear

She is not.

Zennith

United States795 Posts

July 20 2011 01:48 GMT

#1168

The point that I'm making here is that I feel like the community at large (and Jessica in particular) is responding to this differently because the target of these "attacks" is a woman. As was posted recently, putting oneself into the spotlight is a double edged sword, and one should not do it if they are not willing to accept both the positives and the negatives. In this case, the copious amounts of trolling could have and should have been anticipated and in any case, feeding the trolls is hardly the way to deal with them.

And people fretting about her personal feelings probably have almost certainly never fretted about the personal feelings of players like Idra or InControl even when they've been the subject of personal attacks. Which has certainly happened.

kochujang

Germany1226 Posts

July 20 2011 01:52 GMT

#1169

On July 20 2011 08:45 Greenworld wrote:
Most of the "males" of the comunity don't really understand how it feels for a girl to enter in computer game competition. If a "male" person would have been recruited that noone knew anything about him ...almost nobody would have even checked his profile. LIke 70% of the people were just oh oh she is gold level ... but they didn't even think :wait she won a tournament( even if it was a girl tournament we most of us know girls at master lvl or higher) . BUT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL - people thought she was REALLY bad. I can go on but would it matter? ..

If this had been a "male", he would not have been on the GSTL team bench the moment he joined, without proving himself in the internal tournaments. The main problem is that SlayerS wanted to rush things and market themselves as a progressive team which has male and female players. Their marketing strategy is too aggressive, and now Eve has to suffer because of her premature introduction to the public E-sports scene.

Ownos

United States2147 Posts

July 20 2011 01:56 GMT

#1170

Nah. Let heads roll. SLAYERS JESSICA FIGHTING!@!

Vei

United States2845 Posts

July 20 2011 02:06 GMT

#1171

"The high-school girl replied “ I didn’t mention the tweet to you and I am only conversing with my friends. Problem?”
LOL. I can just see this 16 y/o girl with a trollface, what a baller.

KKY is ridiculous and I honestly dislike her to an entirely new level after reading this thread. It doesn't make me think any less of SlayerS, but she does give them a bad name imo and not all fans are like me where their dislike of one "member" doesn't taint the rest of the team -- especially since she doesn't play.

Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening.

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On July 20 2011 10:33 farvacola wrote:
What's difficult for me to understand is how someone so immersed in e-sports, and by corollary the general online environment, is seemingly so caught off guard by these sorts of insults and trolls

agreed 100%. welcome to the internet, Jessica? Taking the internet personally takes SUCH a large ego that her actions disgust me.

kochujang

Germany1226 Posts

July 20 2011 02:12 GMT

#1172

Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening.

She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself.

Zennith

United States795 Posts

July 20 2011 02:17 GMT

#1173

She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself.

To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity.

SilverPotato

United States560 Posts

July 20 2011 02:21 GMT

#1174

On July 20 2011 11:06 Vei wrote:
"The high-school girl replied “ I didn’t mention the tweet to you and I am only conversing with my friends. Problem?”
LOL. I can just see this 16 y/o girl with a trollface, what a baller.

KKY is ridiculous and I honestly dislike her to an entirely new level after reading this thread. It doesn't make me think any less of SlayerS, but she does give them a bad name imo and not all fans are like me where their dislike of one "member" doesn't taint the rest of the team -- especially since she doesn't play.

Calling herself a celebrity? Wow. Just wow. She thinks SO fucking highly of her self and is SO type A/can't handle being insulted/can't handle not being treated like a queen -- sickening.

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agreed 100%. welcome to the internet, Jessica? Taking the internet personally takes SUCH a large ego that her actions disgust me.

Well just because someone reacts differently to a situation than you THINK you would (I highly doubt you or someone you know has had that many horrible things said about them) shouldn't make you disgusted by them, though that is the stance you choose to take it's very close minded on your part.

Honestly though, SlayerS_Jessica needs to take a class on troll detection @_@

Elefanto

Switzerland3584 Posts

July 20 2011 02:23 GMT

#1175

On July 20 2011 11:17 Zennith wrote:

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To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity.

It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

July 20 2011 02:24 GMT

#1176

On July 20 2011 09:56 Ridiculisk wrote:
My biggest concern in all of this is how Eve is holding up?

She's young and only just starting to get her foot in the door of professional E-sports. Abuse and critisism before she's even played a televised match can be particularly hurtful.

She's 22. That's old enough to be a legal adult in every country on Earth. I don't like your tone or what it insinuates, that she is vulnerable.

EchoZ

Japan5041 Posts

July 20 2011 02:25 GMT

#1177

On July 20 2011 11:23 Elefanto wrote:

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It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless.

Zennith - Date created: Wednesday, 20th of July 2011 - 3 posts..

yeah thought so, adding oil into the fire.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

July 20 2011 02:28 GMT

#1178

Being in SK, I'd rather you just put his post to rest by confirming she is not a celebrity rather than pointing out what a poor start Zenniths username has had.

Taku

Canada2036 Posts

July 20 2011 02:29 GMT

#1179

http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Kim_Ga_Yun

Uuuuh, I mainly follow the BW scene but seriously, I think she is infinitely more of a celebrity than Idra guys..

SilverPotato

United States560 Posts

July 20 2011 02:34 GMT

#1180

On July 20 2011 11:28 Probe1 wrote:
Being in SK, I'd rather you just put his post to rest by confirming she is not a celebrity rather than pointing out what a poor start Zenniths username has had.

You're so caught up on her being or not being a celebrity, when the problem isn't even related to that. How would you feel if people posted fabricated pictures of you, along with sneering vile comments about things they'd want to do to you or think you do (and lets not sugar coat this, all the material would most likely be in a sexual manner). I'm sure since you're probably a big tough guy you'd deal with it, but not everyone is like you.

It's right to be ashamed of things others have said about you, it's not right to further beat a person down for having such feelings.

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