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Zennith
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States795 Posts
July 20 2011 02:36 GMT
#1181
On July 20 2011 11:25 EchoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 11:23 Elefanto wrote:
On July 20 2011 11:17 Zennith wrote:
She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself.


To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity.


It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless.


Zennith - Date created: Wednesday, 20th of July 2011 - 3 posts..

yeah thought so, adding oil into the fire.



Yeah, how dare I create an account to make legit comments on an issue I find intriguing. After lurking for quite a while and playing SC2 since beta, I should definitely feel ashamed of myself for being new to posting on TL.
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Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
July 20 2011 02:37 GMT
#1182
On July 20 2011 11:17 Zennith wrote:
Show nested quote +
She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself.


To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity.


Really? Reallllyyyyy?

So being a BM SC2 progamer (not even the only one by a long shot) makes someone more of a celebrity than an ACTRESS who's been in several movies and a dozen TV shows and on top of which, is the manager of one of the most well known Korean proteams and is married to Boxer?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 20 2011 02:40 GMT
#1183
On July 20 2011 11:36 Zennith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 11:25 EchoZ wrote:
On July 20 2011 11:23 Elefanto wrote:
On July 20 2011 11:17 Zennith wrote:
She is a celebrity, both in the gaming world and the movie industry. I don't understand how stating a fact is thinking highly of yourself.


To reference earlier in this thread - Justin Bieber is a celebrity. Hell, Idra is as much of a celebrity as exists in ESports. Slayers_Jessica is not a celebrity.


It surprises me everytime that people without any knowledge dare to speak like they know facts when they're absolutely clueless.


Zennith - Date created: Wednesday, 20th of July 2011 - 3 posts..

yeah thought so, adding oil into the fire.



Yeah, how dare I create an account to make legit comments on an issue I find intriguing. After lurking for quite a while and playing SC2 since beta, I should definitely feel ashamed of myself for being new to posting on TL.


Take the flame to a PM please.
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Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
July 20 2011 02:44 GMT
#1184
I know this is a generalisation people wont like the hear, but a lot of people on the internet are assholes or just plain stupid or stobburn or many other reasons they don't have friends and land on the internet. You just can't go suddenly change people's nature

I wonder how she'll feel if one of those names on there was actually someone mentally disabled or someone with an IQ lower than 70/80
Kingqway
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States155 Posts
July 20 2011 02:49 GMT
#1185
On July 20 2011 10:52 kochujang wrote:
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On July 20 2011 08:45 Greenworld wrote:
Most of the "males" of the comunity don't really understand how it feels for a girl to enter in computer game competition. If a "male" person would have been recruited that noone knew anything about him ...almost nobody would have even checked his profile. LIke 70% of the people were just oh oh she is gold level ... but they didn't even think :wait she won a tournament( even if it was a girl tournament we most of us know girls at master lvl or higher) . BUT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL - people thought she was REALLY bad. I can go on but would it matter? ..

If this had been a "male", he would not have been on the GSTL team bench the moment he joined, without proving himself in the internal tournaments. The main problem is that SlayerS wanted to rush things and market themselves as a progressive team which has male and female players. Their marketing strategy is too aggressive, and now Eve has to suffer because of her premature introduction to the public E-sports scene.


Yeah I kinda agree with kochujang's post. If anything, it would be SlayerS fault for rushing things. The pro scene should distinguish itself through skill, not through looks or anything, but that is business which I have no clue on so I'll stop there. That being said, it's definitely weird how this whole Eve thing is blowing up. Even her fanclub on teamliquid was met with some criticism and I also find it quite weird that she has one prior to even having any live matches.

In any case, I think both males & females have their own respective problems and there is definitely an imbalance in treatment (an imbalance that doesn't necessarily skew to one side), but that is to be expected, especially if its the internet.

I don't really care about the morality of the issue, because there are good and bads to what Jessica is doing. Hopefully it ends well. At the very least it's a step forward against cyber bullying, and at least she's trying to show that SlayerS support their decision on bringing in Eve. She'll probably take this opportunity as a reason to prove herself even more.
ddong
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
July 20 2011 02:49 GMT
#1186
On July 20 2011 11:44 Talho wrote:
I know this is a generalisation people wont like the hear, but a lot of people on the internet are assholes or just plain stupid or stobburn or many other reasons they don't have friends and land on the internet. You just can't go suddenly change people's nature

I wonder how she'll feel if one of those names on there was actually someone mentally disabled or someone with an IQ lower than 70/80

Well the problem in classifying all those posts as made by those people and thinking nothing of it just serves to enable such comments both on the internet in general and here on TL. Sadly a topic like this will never get anywhere because it's only purpose is have people of different mind sets clash. Though that is besides the point... What's really saddening is seeing how popular it is to dismiss such actions and keep on walking as if nothing is wrong.
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
July 20 2011 02:52 GMT
#1187
I honestly just think she is fed up with a lot of things going on in SlayerS lately and this just made her explode. Players WAY underperforming, that god awful article about Boxer, and now this whole Eve thing.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 20 2011 02:55 GMT
#1188
this is stupid... that fact that she is make a big deal about this is just proving that she cares about what ever one thinks, she is a pro-gamer witch in that right is EPIC!!!! she should prove ever one wrong with her gameplay not with the po po
SC > halo
Count_Waltz
Profile Joined April 2010
United States48 Posts
July 20 2011 02:57 GMT
#1189
This is gonna hurt A LOT more than its gonna help. Jessica has just single handedly split the slayers fan base in half. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, some of the people who liked slayers, like them less now. And those that didn't care for them, now really dislike them.

From a business stand-point she over-reacted. I don't know about Korean culture or e-culture or whatever but business is business. And this is a mistake.
sono me ni kizame ko na
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
July 20 2011 03:00 GMT
#1190
On July 20 2011 11:55 ki11z0ne wrote:
this is stupid... that fact that she is make a big deal about this is just proving that she cares about what ever one thinks, she is a pro-gamer witch in that right is EPIC!!!! she should prove ever one wrong with her gameplay not with the po po

eloquently worded, have to agree witch you

on a serious note it's pretty ridiculous the hateful reaction towards eve... I have to white knight for her because she is obviously really cute and it seems people dont understand that its pretty valuable to have a cute gamer girl on your team. It will attract fans / look good in advertisements. No need to go stir crazy and try and bring someone down, she obviously is a big fan of SC2 and was recruited. Slayers can do whatever they want. Do you think Cella is ridiculously professional or something? It's their team let them do as they please.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 20 2011 03:07 GMT
#1191
On July 20 2011 12:00 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 11:55 ki11z0ne wrote:
this is stupid... that fact that she is make a big deal about this is just proving that she cares about what ever one thinks, she is a pro-gamer witch in that right is EPIC!!!! she should prove ever one wrong with her gameplay not with the po po

eloquently worded, have to agree witch you

on a serious note it's pretty ridiculous the hateful reaction towards eve... I have to white knight for her because she is obviously really cute and it seems people dont understand that its pretty valuable to have a cute gamer girl on your team. It will attract fans / look good in advertisements. No need to go stir crazy and try and bring someone down, she obviously is a big fan of SC2 and was recruited. Slayers can do whatever they want. Do you think Cella is ridiculously professional or something? It's their team let them do as they please.


^_^ ty for liking the post lol

But you just pointed out one thing she is probably mad at, She is cute but you really think slayers got her JUST BECAUSE she is a good looking female, and mediocre sc2 player i think not.
SC > halo
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
July 20 2011 03:11 GMT
#1192
This is all just one big giant troll by Cella, coordinating his actions through SlayerS_Jessica, recruiting a diamond level hot female as a huge troll on the SC2 community!



Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 20 2011 03:12 GMT
#1193
I just want to make sure I understand this situation properly from start to finish. Is this a correct summery?

1. Slayers Jessica sees Eve, a diamond-level Terran, and decides to recruit her into Slayers, with the idea of having her ready for GSTL after a month or two of training in the Slayers house.
2. The theory behind this was that females didn't play enough SC2 to be "worthy" of joining a team due to the perception that SC2 was a boys' club.
3. By forging a female progamer from scratch, Slayers would make female progaming look a bit less "weird", encouraging more females to try and enter. (And Slayers would have an edge in picking up any pro level females that appeared, because they could claim experience, but this is more of a "to grow esports!" and/or a publicity stunt than a ten-year plan)
4. The foreign community doesn't react too well to this.
5. But the Korean netizens are way way more vitriolic, photoshopping Eve's head into X-rated images and the like.
6. There is a history of celebrities committing suicide over this kind of thing in Korea
7. Thus, Jessica is suing the more extreme posters
8. However, she is also spending a lot of time in very public fights with the less extreme antis, confusing the issue.

Is this accurate?
rnCsaFe
Profile Joined July 2011
6 Posts
July 20 2011 03:14 GMT
#1194
She is taking it alittle too personal and cherry-picking the flames to justify the hate towards the new player Eve. It has traditionally been a seperate league between males and females, and bringing a change to this arena will cause controversy in Korea.

We will have to see how Eve performs really.
Whut!
Underoath
Profile Joined May 2011
Peru113 Posts
July 20 2011 03:17 GMT
#1195
Jessica is doing 2 things:

-Feeding the trolls
-Getting mad..

this will only empower more "U MAD?" posts towards her.. If I were her i'd just let my skills speak for me.
"More GG, more skill" - WhiteRa
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
July 20 2011 03:23 GMT
#1196
On July 20 2011 12:12 Ribbon wrote:
I just want to make sure I understand this situation properly from start to finish. Is this a correct summery?

1. Slayers Jessica sees Eve, a diamond-level Terran, and decides to recruit her into Slayers, with the idea of having her ready for GSTL after a month or two of training in the Slayers house.
2. The theory behind this was that females didn't play enough SC2 to be "worthy" of joining a team due to the perception that SC2 was a boys' club.
3. By forging a female progamer from scratch, Slayers would make female progaming look a bit less "weird", encouraging more females to try and enter. (And Slayers would have an edge in picking up any pro level females that appeared, because they could claim experience, but this is more of a "to grow esports!" and/or a publicity stunt than a ten-year plan)
4. The foreign community doesn't react too well to this.
5. But the Korean netizens are way way more vitriolic, photoshopping Eve's head into X-rated images and the like.
6. There is a history of celebrities committing suicide over this kind of thing in Korea
7. Thus, Jessica is suing the more extreme posters
8. However, she is also spending a lot of time in very public fights with the less extreme antis, confusing the issue.

Is this accurate?


I think you can simplify it down to:

1) Someone (potentially, I guess, innocent until proven guilty) breaks law.
2) Someone uses justice system to punish them.

I don't understand how there's even any argument if it's an overreaction or not...
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
July 20 2011 03:27 GMT
#1197
On July 20 2011 12:17 Underoath wrote:
Jessica is doing 2 things:

-Feeding the trolls
-Getting mad..

this will only empower more "U MAD?" posts towards her.. If I were her i'd just let my skills speak for me.


exactly what i said, but my dad (lol ya my dad) said when you have so many people against you it really hard to get better, flamers will explode on you if you lose a game because of something stupid its hard, you have to have the right mind set for her situation... personally all this flamers would motivate me so much more to prove them wrong, she needs to go win a GSL lolz... that would shut them up haha
SC > halo
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
July 20 2011 03:28 GMT
#1198
On July 20 2011 12:23 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 12:12 Ribbon wrote:
I just want to make sure I understand this situation properly from start to finish. Is this a correct summery?

1. Slayers Jessica sees Eve, a diamond-level Terran, and decides to recruit her into Slayers, with the idea of having her ready for GSTL after a month or two of training in the Slayers house.
2. The theory behind this was that females didn't play enough SC2 to be "worthy" of joining a team due to the perception that SC2 was a boys' club.
3. By forging a female progamer from scratch, Slayers would make female progaming look a bit less "weird", encouraging more females to try and enter. (And Slayers would have an edge in picking up any pro level females that appeared, because they could claim experience, but this is more of a "to grow esports!" and/or a publicity stunt than a ten-year plan)
4. The foreign community doesn't react too well to this.
5. But the Korean netizens are way way more vitriolic, photoshopping Eve's head into X-rated images and the like.
6. There is a history of celebrities committing suicide over this kind of thing in Korea
7. Thus, Jessica is suing the more extreme posters
8. However, she is also spending a lot of time in very public fights with the less extreme antis, confusing the issue.

Is this accurate?


I think you can simplify it down to:

1) Someone (potentially, I guess, innocent until proven guilty) breaks law.
2) Someone uses justice system to punish them.

I don't understand how there's even any argument if it's an overreaction or not...

How don't you "understand" that there's an argument? People have laid out their case in this thread. Albeit it is un-evidenced insofar as confirming the legitimacy and truthfulness of the individual on twitter, I'm surprised you haven't been able to comprehend their argument.
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
July 20 2011 03:34 GMT
#1199
'Korean netizens'

Am i the only one sick of that word?

They're all a bunch of losers / trolls
Not netizens...

GIVE ME JESSICA'S TWITTER
im gonna spam it with supportive letters ( non creep way )
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 20 2011 03:35 GMT
#1200
On July 20 2011 12:27 ki11z0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 12:17 Underoath wrote:
Jessica is doing 2 things:

-Feeding the trolls
-Getting mad..

this will only empower more "U MAD?" posts towards her.. If I were her i'd just let my skills speak for me.


exactly what i said, but my dad (lol ya my dad) said when you have so many people against you it really hard to get better, flamers will explode on you if you lose a game because of something stupid its hard, you have to have the right mind set for her situation... personally all this flamers would motivate me so much more to prove them wrong, she needs to go win a GSL lolz... that would shut them up haha


I have to disagree with your dad, there are many supporters, many people who are neutral, and many people who are critical. You can ignore what you choose and push forwards, or use the hate to fuel yourself to prove people wrong, Huk himself said he does that. It isn't too difficult to power through the negativity, just prove people wrong, a reaction such as this only suggests that you want to nip things in the bud without having to actually show them that they misjudged you.

This whole fiasco has put me off, whereas I was fairly neutral towards her initially.
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