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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway. Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please. | ||
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On July 19 2011 02:58 hmunkey wrote: To be fair, he did have a valid SEA account so he should've been allowed to participate as per the rules. Yes, he handled the situation like a child but I don't see why he was DQed. 2 day ban incoming. Read the OP. First off, smurfing someone's account is not a valid SEA account at all. Blizzard had even warned TLO and Huk about this specifically, that you are not allowed to do this. Technically, it's 'cheating'. Major didn't switch the region of his account, and he didn't even buy a copy of SC2 from SEA region, he smurfed one. Secondly, he asked, and they said no. While the thread may not have been crystal clear (why would you apply for a tournament that says SEA people only, yes, maybe you could switch regions, but it's pretty damn obvious what they mean, and that they probably wouldn't appreciate smurfers. That's like me entering a Bronze only tournament that says "Only people with Bronze accounts" by using a new account. Yea, I have valid account, but it's obvious what they mean). Also, the tournament web page was CRYSTAL clear about SEA citizenship, if the thread on TL wasn't. Third, he was straight up denied, and given reason for it. It's a really shitty thing he did, people practiced and tried to play and got knocked out by someone who shouldn't even have been playing. Someone was willing to put money into Starcraft 2, and someone doing something like this just makes them go "Damn, maybe I shouldn't put money into SC2 because they are a bunch of thieves". I mean straight up, I view Major as a thief. He attempted to steal money from someone who basically was charitable enough to give away money to support people playing video games. How fucked up is that. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On July 19 2011 02:57 hmunkey wrote: This is why region specific tournaments are pretty stupid if they're being held online. Why exclude players who could easily win just because they live somewhere else? It only makes for a lower quality show. Their goal was to improve the quality of their local scene. Excluding players makes perfect sense. On July 19 2011 02:58 hmunkey wrote: To be fair, he did have a valid SEA account so he should've been allowed to participate as per the rules. Yes, he handled the situation like a child but I don't see why he was DQed. Raed the entire OP before you next post or you will be banned. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:02 Belial88 wrote: Okay wait, so what is the WCG thing, why did he get kicked from ROOT, and what did he say about this? People keep saying WCG, his ban from root, and how his response being caught is bad, but I don't know understand what these events were. Unless you mean your talking about his response in the OP pics, I thought maybe he posted in this thread. This thread is on his departure from ROOT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209881 He entered WCG USA (which he was not eligible to play in because he did not have a US citizenship) pretending to be an American girl and was caught. | ||
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OFCORPSE
Sweden355 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:13 Sein wrote: This thread is on his departure from ROOT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209881 He entered WCG USA (which he was not eligible to play in because he did not have a US citizenship) pretending to be an American girl and was caught. I'm not too familiar with major, but reading this thread, this entire time I kept asking myself: How old is this guy? And I just found my answer, not even going to bother watching his games from now on. Ruining the scene. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:17 OFCORPSE wrote: I'm not too familiar with major, but reading this thread, this entire time I kept asking myself: How old is this guy? And I just found my answer, not even going to bother watching his games from now on. Ruining the scene. He's also made such winning posts as the one where he accused the TSL staff of withholding prize money: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117923 | ||
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Mvz
206 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:19 Chill wrote: He's also made such winning posts as the one where he accused the TSL staff of withholding prize money: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117923 What a classy thread that was. And the WCG matter must have been one of the most pathetic things I've ever read about, for real. *_* | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:19 Chill wrote: He's also made such winning posts as the one where he accused the TSL staff of withholding prize money: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117923 Thank you for editing in deL's post to the OP and thank you Chill for moding this long and controversial thread. And just wow on that thread link where he is pissed for waiting 2 weeks for prize money. Just wow. | ||
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. | ||
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On July 19 2011 02:58 koppik wrote: I think it's just that the word "cheating" just has different nuances to different people, really. My sense is that just violating a rule generally isn't termed "cheating" unless there is some intention to gain an unfair advantage over the competition in a clandestine manner. People can call what Maj0r did "cheating", but all that will do is spark semantic debates about the meaning of "cheating", which have already popped up in minor and major form repeatedly in this thread. Verb cheat (third-person singular simple present cheats, present participle cheating, simple past and past participle cheated) 1.(intransitive) To violate rules in order to gain advantage from a situation. 2.(intransitive) To be unfaithful to one's spouse or partner. 3.(transitive) To manage to avoid something even though it seemed unlikely. Noun cheating (uncountable) 1.An act of deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. I'm sorry, with all due respect; your sense, or anyone's for that matter is irrelevant to the current english definition of "cheating".There is no room for debate. Please also note that the term "cheating" is not exclusively reserved for individuals/organizations who gain an unfair advantage over their opponents via hacking. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2781 Posts
If the community isn't convinced that he's changed or is willing to change his attitude, to respect the game and its players, then he should be thrown by the wayside. Because you can expect more stuff like this to just continue. EDIT: also, people calling this small potatoes obviously can't make any extrapolations about what this reveals about the guy. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:19 Chill wrote: He's also made such winning posts as the one where he accused the TSL staff of withholding prize money: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117923 wow thank you for that. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:19 Chill wrote: He's also made such winning posts as the one where he accused the TSL staff of withholding prize money: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117923 Chill your my hero, Canadian Hammer fighting! That is a winning post indeed... quite a gem. Thanks for that, and helping here, because eventually I would have flipped out causing my own demise. lol | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 19 2011 00:41 dabom88 wrote: Not saying you singled the management at all. I'm saying that they're really the only ones you can put any responsibility on doing anything about his behavior. Never said anything about reflection of the team or the integrity of the team. My whole point was, once again, is where the responsibility lies. And, once again, I state that the individual players on SixJax bear no responsibility in Major's behavior. Doesn't matter how badly Major's actions reflects on the team, that's a different issue. Artosis isn't just any member, he's the manager and personally recruited Major to Sixjax, despite his troublesome past. They took a risk recruiting him, much like what Dignitas did when they signed Naniwa. Dignitas has however managed to keep Naniwa from causing too much trouble but not due to luck but due to strict and harsh management, they've kept him on short leash. And I hoped and thought that Artosis would manage to put a leash on Major who is a fantastic player. | ||
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evoli
United States333 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote: It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that. If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote: I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying  Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment specifically on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for intentionally breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? | ||
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thee telescopes
321 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:13 Sein wrote: What exactly was his plan in case he got through to the LAN stages? That's awesome.This thread is on his departure from ROOT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209881 He entered WCG USA (which he was not eligible to play in because he did not have a US citizenship) pretending to be an American girl and was caught. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
On July 19 2011 03:28 poorbeggarman wrote: That's a backwards view, I think. The art of dictionary-making just attempts to synthesize the myriad senses native-speakers have of a word. It's just a poor, short version of a complicated story that's helpful for people unfamiliar with a word. If you use a word, and native speakers repeatedly insist it's not really correct on a semantic level, then you should really pick a different word. Or you can argue semantics.I'm sorry, with all due respect; your sense, or anyone's for that matter is irrelevant to the current english definition of "cheating".There is no room for debate. Please also note that the term "cheating" is not exclusively reserved for individuals/organizations who gain an unfair advantage over their opponents via hacking. But, for instance, in this case, the main "unfair advantage" Maj0r had was "being Mexican". There is the element that SEA people wouldn't recognize his name and thus would be at a unfair disadvantage, but that's sort of a loose argument as that's not really the upsetting thing about what Maj0r did. Just calling it a "rule violation" or better yet saying he was "intentionally violating the rules" is a much clearer thing to say, if a little bit longer. User was warned for this post | ||
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