RootPrincess/SixjaxMajor caught smurfing in tourny - Page 53

Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.

Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.

k!llua

Australia895 Posts

July 18 2011 17:23 GMT

#1041

On July 18 2011 19:17 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
There are players in SEA who can take games off t-gun and moonglade.
even in this tournament itself, aiguz was just 1 map from taking the 1st place from moonglade in the extended series.

in before someone mentions that t-gun lost to 2 base carrier

legaton

France1763 Posts

July 18 2011 17:35 GMT

#1042

Jesus, people uses the world "cheating" so loosely. Cheating is the worst thing you can do in the SC community (worst than beating old people in the streets or stealing candy from kids) and the word should be reserved to hack users. What Major did is smurfing. It is wrong, but it certainly don't deserve 53 pages (!) of bickering and pompous stuff about "hurting the community". And talking about the community, does anyone think about the viewers? As an spectator, i hate server-locked tournaments, they are so terribly boring. Usually, you will only see good matches at Ro4.

Edit: changed world to word.

Kaz_Coaching

United States83 Posts

July 18 2011 17:37 GMT

#1043

Sadly many would say that bad PR is better then no PR. I wish something bigger would come from this. Childishness should not be tolerated in the professional world.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

July 18 2011 17:39 GMT

#1044

On July 19 2011 02:35 legaton wrote:
Jesus, people uses the world "cheating" so loosely. Cheating is the worst thing you can do in the SC community (worst than beating old people in the streets or stealing candy from kids) and the world should be reserved to hack users. What Major did is smurfing. It is wrong, but it certainly don't deserve 53 pages (!) of bickering and pompous stuff about "hurting the community". And talking about the community, does anyone think about the viewers? As an spectator, i hate server-locked tournaments, they are so terribly boring. Usually, you will only see good matches at Ro4.

Cheating has never just referred to hackers. Plenty of people have been banned from events for things not related to hacking. It also doesn't matter what you think of server locked tournaments. They aren't tournaments designed to get massive viewers from around the world.

Goliathsorrow

Italy317 Posts

July 18 2011 17:39 GMT

#1045

I'm not gonna do like most trolls and start linking wikipedia links of the exact words but... smurfing TO PASS AROUND rules seems cheating to me.

JiYan

United States3668 Posts

July 18 2011 17:40 GMT

#1046

i understand this is a long thread so you didn't read the previous discussion about using the term 'cheater' in this situation so please read pages 34-35ish. here is page 34:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244885&currentpage=34

ZasZ.

United States2911 Posts

July 18 2011 17:45 GMT

#1047

I've always been impressed with MajOr's skills, but his maturity/professionalism leaves a lot to be desired.

It sucks that the tournament organizers weren't particularly clear about the rules, but if they exclude you based on your region (and for a legitimate reason, it seems like) then you are excluded. Circumventing the rules by account sharing and lying to tournament organizers is by definition cheating. Not as heinous as what savior did, but still cheating. And using derogatory slurs against the tournament organizers, that's just icing on the cake.

Manner up, bro.

Zaros

United Kingdom3692 Posts

July 18 2011 17:47 GMT

#1048

On July 19 2011 02:45 ZasZ. wrote:
I've always been impressed with MajOr's skills, but his maturity/professionalism leaves a lot to be desired.

It sucks that the tournament organizers weren't particularly clear about the rules, but if they exclude you based on your region (and for a legitimate reason, it seems like) then you are excluded. Circumventing the rules by account sharing and lying to tournament organizers is by definition cheating. Not as heinous as what savior did, but still cheating. And using derogatory slurs against the tournament organizers, that's just icing on the cake.

Manner up, bro.

Major's response in this thread was the cherry on top.

Slardar

Canada7593 Posts

July 18 2011 17:52 GMT

#1049

On July 18 2011 11:21 archflames wrote:
"ANYONE with a valid SEA account can participate"
that is all

Perhaps in order to have a valid SEA account you have to have a VISA or PIN code with residency in SEA. Similar to how you need a SIN number in Korea to register for a SC2 Account.

*Edit* I totally agree with POST BELOW Iccup.Diamond. People need to think before they post, or stop feeding the "trollfire". Feigning stupidity isn't a valid excuse. Major did everything right up to the part where he asked the Tournament Admin if he could participate, the answer of no immediately overrides any other evidence or doubts, the Admin is the law, he says no it is no. You could give the benefit of the doubt to ANY player, but here it is obvious Juan was trying to abuse a loophole in the system and then did something even worse. It's disappointing really.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

July 18 2011 17:54 GMT

#1050

Lol anyone siding with Major here is a total fanboy or totally insane.

Keep it classy Juan......

Really I'm beginning to wonder not only how long till Sixjax gets tired of him, but all sponsored teams. Major has amazing play, but he needs to grow up like yesterday.

Belial88

United States5217 Posts

July 18 2011 17:54 GMT

#1051

Then he comes in here and actually tries to justify what he did by making up more lies (As shown in deL's posts).

What's his TL handle? I tried searching for "sixjax" and "major" and "sixjax.major" but some korean BW guy comes up. can someone quote or tell me what his handle is?

Personally I've never been impressed what I saw, he seems to cheese a lot from what limited I've seen of him.

On July 19 2011 02:35 legaton wrote:
Jesus, people uses the world "cheating" so loosely. Cheating is the worst thing you can do in the SC community (worst than beating old people in the streets or stealing candy from kids) and the world should be reserved to hack users. What Major did is smurfing. It is wrong, but it certainly don't deserve 53 pages (!) of bickering and pompous stuff about "hurting the community". And talking about the community, does anyone think about the viewers? As an spectator, i hate server-locked tournaments, they are so terribly boring. Usually, you will only see good matches at Ro4.

lol another person who doesnt read anything, then posts.

eohs

United States677 Posts

July 18 2011 17:56 GMT

#1052

On July 18 2011 16:14 Tppz! wrote:

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On July 18 2011 16:02 SeizeTheDay wrote:

On July 18 2011 15:59 Tppz! wrote:

On July 18 2011 15:56 SeizeTheDay wrote:

On July 18 2011 15:52 Tppz! wrote:
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What I read out of these chats is that Maj0r did think u were allowed to play if you have a SEA account so he bought one. Afterwards he was told he just burned 50 bucks for nothing.
I dont think any1 wouldnt have taken the oppourtunity to play as a smurf. He feeled like he wasnt able to play cause the admins didnt like him (since he states that other ppl were allowed). So he wanted to get some of his money back and since there was no clear official message about in the official thread that only citizens are able to participate it was "ok" for him.

Im not going to defend someone who doesnt follow the rules but in this case its kind of understandable. I think both sides made errors and I dont think MajOr will do this again.

Next time the admins should be clear about the rules - and by that I mean you should write the right rules in every official spot. Talking to 1 person to say one way about the rules and stating the other way in an official thread makes people angry/ feel betrayed etc.

Anyways I dont like how the Pros/representatives/admins of the scence etc talk in this thread.
1) Dont make such a thread. This is just childish BM.
2) Dont be offensive/aggressive if you are a player/caster/admin. You still are a representative of SC2 and slow dont the grow of esports if you behave like this. Show some proffessionalism.
3) Dont talk about stuff that shouldnt be talked about (e.g Endrey stating he wanted MajOr to participate in a SHowmatch/stuff. You knew the risks and its still his choice to play or not to play)
4) Show professionalism! Dont be a drama Queen
5) see 4)

I feel sad for SC2 right now cause there are still people who cant take the responsibility or cant handle being in the spotlight. You guys are truly hurting Esports.
If you dont like somebody just keep if with yourself.
If you are upset by a player: talk to his team. Make clear that they have to punish him. Only post if the team acts dickish. No need for these threads

Did u really read the thread? did you not see that it clearly says"YOU ARE NOT A CITIZEN OF SOUTH EAST ASIA SORRY!" they are talking about in starcraft 2 .. how do you miss soothing like that?

I did. Did you? Cause it seems that MajOr didnt understand first what that means (he is still Mexican). Then he talks about other ppl who were supposed to be participating. And then he talks about a citizen that isnt living in SEA at that moment. DO you really think MajOr knew what "citizen" means?

If your Mexican you know what CITIZEN means... I can say that about almost all Mexicans..no im not being racist he seems to speak pretty clear english also... AND I QUOTE AGAIN "DO YOU KNOW WHAT CITIZENSHIP IS? MAjOR: "YEA"

So Caps Lock makes your argument more powerful? Pls be more mannered.

So why do you think would MajOr burn 50 bucks on a SC2 account he could never ever use for anything?

This is why u do not pay attention this is why sometimes forums are dumb.. u dont read the fucking OP and u keep talk and talking and talking and talking lol. I put the caps on because that is to quote major and the other guy talking to major because maybe then u would see that ur post was way wrong and u should pay more attention to the OP before u talk.
Also again u are wrong u keep saying u read the OP but every time u go to type something u say something else showing u didn't read it again... so stop talking now, he didn't buy a new account , he knows what citizenship means, what else was you wrong about... whatever the fact is read before u post in a forum... thanks.

Edit: i just read the RED part up there mod if u want ill delete wat I just said even tho i was trying to explain the OP to him lol :D

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

July 18 2011 17:57 GMT

#1053

This is why region specific tournaments are pretty stupid if they're being held online. Why exclude players who could easily win just because they live somewhere else? It only makes for a lower quality show.

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

July 18 2011 17:58 GMT

#1054

On July 19 2011 02:54 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Lol anyone siding with Major here is a total fanboy or totally insane.

Keep it classy Juan......

Really I'm beginning to wonder not only how long till Sixjax gets tired of him, but all sponsored teams. Major has amazing play, but he needs to grow up like yesterday.

To be fair, he did have a valid SEA account so he should've been allowed to participate as per the rules. Yes, he handled the situation like a child but I don't see why he was DQed.

User was warned for this post

koppik

United States676 Posts

July 18 2011 17:58 GMT

#1055

I think it's just that the word "cheating" just has different nuances to different people, really. My sense is that just violating a rule generally isn't termed "cheating" unless there is some intention to gain an unfair advantage over the competition in a clandestine manner. People can call what Maj0r did "cheating", but all that will do is spark semantic debates about the meaning of "cheating", which have already popped up in minor and major form repeatedly in this thread.

eohs

United States677 Posts

July 18 2011 18:00 GMT

#1056

On July 19 2011 02:58 hmunkey wrote:

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To be fair, he did have a valid SEA account so he should've been allowed to participate as per the rules. Yes, he handled the situation like a child but I don't see why he was DQed.

OMG another kid that doesnt read the OP ... god its amazing... READ THE OP he was told NOT to play in it.. he was told he had to be a SEA CITIZEN IN ORDER TO PLAY IN IT. No im not yelling at you with these caps im using caps so maybe u can see better... geezuz

Badfatpanda

United States9719 Posts

July 18 2011 18:00 GMT

#1057

On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:

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On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:

On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:
There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down.

The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."

Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything.

Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.

pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.

Do you think everyone is stupid?

In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.

lol I seemed to have missed this post somehow, wow

JiYan

United States3668 Posts

July 18 2011 18:01 GMT

#1058

On July 19 2011 03:00 SeizeTheDay wrote:
OMG another kid that doesnt read the OP ... god its amazing... READ THE OP he was told NOT to play in it.. he was told he had to be a SEA CITIZEN IN ORDER TO PLAY IN IT. No im not yelling at you with these caps im using caps so maybe u can see better... geezuz

i recommend editing your post. regardless what youre saying, we can see your text just fine without your caps

tehemperorer

United States2183 Posts

July 18 2011 18:01 GMT

#1059

On July 19 2011 02:58 hmunkey wrote:

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To be fair, he did have a valid SEA account so he should've been allowed to participate as per the rules. Yes, he handled the situation like a child but I don't see why he was DQed.

He was told by the organizer that he cant compete. That's where it ends, regardless of any rules. If the owner of the house says get out, you get out.

Belial88

United States5217 Posts

July 18 2011 18:02 GMT

#1060

Okay wait, so what is the WCG thing, why did he get kicked from ROOT, and what did he say about this? People keep saying WCG, his ban from root, and how his response being caught is bad, but I don't know understand what these events were. Unless you mean your talking about his response in the OP pics, I thought maybe he posted in this thread.

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