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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 19 2011 01:07 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:50 Belial88 wrote:
Yea I can't understand why anyone would stand up for this. I guess it's because they haven't read the OP or thread lol.
^ ImHuko read the OP. You should edit your post or your gonna get 2 day ban :X because people are blowing something neglible way out of proportion? because alot of the arguements against major are just stupid, like that the money was supposed to go to up and comers (yeah lol moonglade is an up and comer) Also most people seem to jump on the tourny organizers side jsut because he made a ncie thread about it and are now acting like they're outraged about something they really don't care about. The tourny organizer stated in the tourny thread that all players with a SEA account could play. Not people that live in SEA, ACCOUNTS on the SEA server. If major bought an account to play and 10 minutes before the game was told he couldn't play that's pretty lame. If he actually bought an account or not isn't even a big deal, this could have happened to anyone that actually followed the rules of the tourny thread(and bought an account to play), and as such represents horrible tournament organisation. so lets summarize. 1) this is not a big deal 2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks 3) major shouldn't have done it 4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene 5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene info: from the tourny thread: Region: Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240232
Nothing against you specifically but on the argument that this kind of tournament doesn't help the community: do you really think so ? According to you you either have to organize things directly on ESL scale with 2 tournaments giving prize-money a week, or to do nothing ? Of course if there is just one 500 bucks tournament every 6 months it won't help much. But Dox is just starting the work and it will deliver when other peoples follow. Basically according to you, someone has to arrive and provide like $5k in 6 months or doing nothing ... the problem is that very few would put so much money for a microscopic scene.
Moreover, such a tournament is not only helping through prize-money. Socialization effects are also significant to develop something. Dox provided a forum where the community could meet, where good players alone in their corner could find new training partners and so on.
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On July 19 2011 01:10 NotSupporting wrote:
The reason why he wanted to play in this tournament to start with is because the level of play would be much lower therefore giving him a chance. Major is only good in comparison to the other players on Sixjax, he might be at the top of the "semi-pro" scene but he is nothing compared to the real top players and he certainly isn't great. '
Apparently then you don't watch him or never have. You sir are just wrong about that and I sense alot of bias in that statement. I'm not a Major fan but common.
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I find it very sad that people can't see what is wrong in this picture. But yeah these are the people that couldn't care less about what's going on anyways, so I don't know if it is such a bad thing. I just didn't expect them to be that many.
And to all the people being at a loss of words for why it is a SEA tournament only. Would you be angry if a college held a money tournament for only college kids at their college as well, since the college at the other side of town has better SC2 players? oh? Nothing wrong in that I suppose...
People...
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On July 19 2011 01:14 Liudo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:11 Zarahtra wrote:On July 19 2011 01:07 mustache wrote:1) this is not a big deal
2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks
3) major shouldn't have done it
4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene
5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene
Fairly good summarize(though 2 is wrong). Major is in the wrong here(obviously), but this thread has so much drama... I still hope sixjax comes with some kind of apology and a slap on the wrist for major. Actually it's a terrible summary because it's wrong and innaccurate, which you would know if you read the first page of the thread.
my post was edited, reread. regardless my point still stands, and nitpicking at little details doesn't do anything.
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On July 19 2011 01:12 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:02 Olinim wrote:On July 19 2011 00:00 Tppz! wrote:On July 18 2011 23:48 lisward wrote:
If Major had came out with a "Sorry I misunderstood rules (A lie, but at least an apology), very sorry guys, will not do again, would like to apologize to SEA community", I'm pretty sure this whole thing would have died down, but instead he chose to cover up his lies with more lies and just add fuel to the fire.
Well he didnt mmisunderstand the rules. The rules werent listed right wchich made him buy an account. Afterwards he was told he cant participate because of a rule that isnt in the "Rule book" of the event. So it wasnt even MajOrs fault. You cant even tell that he did break the rules cause the rule wasnt there. Thats what I thought after reading the OP while being completly objective. And I was right as I can see. And since there was no rule officially that prevented MajOrs participation in the tourny he took his only choice to do so. Except that he contacted the admin that clearly told him he was ineligible, and the admin makes the rules, seems official to me. So you might want to work on your attention span and read the thread to aid you in your unquestionable but uninformed objectivity. He also stated he did not buy an account, once again the powers of your over eagerness fail you once more. There was an official rule, Major was aware, which is why he shared accounts and cheated his way into the tourney. Back again n a pc. So who knew about this rule other than the admin and MajOr? You cant have rules noone knows about. They didnt even edit the rules in the official thread so every1 could see that there was something going wrong. What about other players who dont live in SEA and participated? If you read the read several ppl stated that there were some others than MajOr. And go back to Page 2x. I know what was going on. I talked to Dox. I posted here earlier. Facts of this disaster: -there was a rule noone knew about -The official thread said "every1 with a SEA account was able to play" -Getting told a rule u never heard of and that noone else would hear of taht gets you banned from the tournament? No reaction to clear this failure by the admin -MajOr signed in for the tournament where he was allowed to play ("every1 with a SEA account is allowed"). MajOr played in the tournament. -I see no rule that bans some1 that smurfs. A lot of palyer do this. Naniwa for example smurfed a long time on the ladder in EU. -a lot of haters hate and post. very little ppl think and post -MajOr was banned but played anyways. -Ppl overreacting a lot
He was told 5 days before he wasn't allowed to play, and many other pros weren't allowed, so plenty of people knew about the rule. He intentionally tried to cheat the tourney admin when he knew full well he was ineligible, this is an indefensible position.
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On July 19 2011 00:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:05 Subversive wrote:
Yeah if you're not Australian from SEA then you don't get to chastise Kelly for her speaking on our behalf. Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:00 kellymilkies wrote:
Yes my words hold 99% of all SEA server opinions. Do you have a problem with that?
And yes I am awesome. Like I said before, talk on your own behalf and keep your emotions in check. As soon as you cross that line, you lose your credibility. Juan has a past. This should shock no one who knows the guy. He is a handful to manage. The drama in this thread is hysterical.
I am. And I'm saying it's rich for someone outside the region to judge how SEA players might react. Kelly's claim is far from an exaggeration of how I imagine most people here would feel. It's for someone from SEA to say they vehemently disagree - not you or anyone else. Otherwise you're just expressing your opinion that she shouldn't express hers.
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No excuse for major, just terribly unprofessional from him.
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I feel like any tournament that wants to restrict to a specific area should be a lan event. Its just to easy for others to smurf and they pay no consequence (mostly) for doing it. I'm willing to bet major wasn't the only one not from SEA since there was no checks for it.
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On July 19 2011 01:16 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:14 Liudo wrote:On July 19 2011 01:11 Zarahtra wrote:On July 19 2011 01:07 mustache wrote:1) this is not a big deal
2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks
3) major shouldn't have done it
4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene
5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene
Fairly good summarize(though 2 is wrong). Major is in the wrong here(obviously), but this thread has so much drama... I still hope sixjax comes with some kind of apology and a slap on the wrist for major. Actually it's a terrible summary because it's wrong and innaccurate, which you would know if you read the first page of the thread. my post was edited, reread. regardless my point still stands, and nitpicking at little details doesn't do anything.
Actually a lot of what you write is conjecture wrapped up as statement. You make quite some presumptions about the SC2 scene in SEA. It's pretty arrogant of you to make the points you make, especially because your opinions are an extreme minority position and the opposite from what people closely involved in the scene are saying.
I don't know why you are so invested in flatly saying people are wrong, where these people clearly know a lot about what they are talking about and put a lot of effort into building the SC2 community.
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On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating.
Strawman.
Also when you use "its" for possession you don't include the '. "It's" strictly means "it is".
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i'm sure team sixjax are delighted with the positive rep.
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This probably happens a lot more than people think. I remember one of the girl gamer tournaments there was a guy smurfing in those, even to go on to win prize money. There is no way to verify the person behind the monitor is who they say so this doesn't surprise me. It's only "shocking" when people slip up and get caught. Makes for a sensational story.
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On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
wow, just wow
Your complete lack of remorse and insight that what you did was completely wrong just shows your immaturity. Grow up, man up and apologise for your blatant disregard of the rules laid down. Terrible way to handle yourself, major. Nobody likes a cheater and a liar, no matter how good he is at Starcraft II. :/
I have the feeling that you'll be the one harshest with yourself and your shitty behaviour once you grow up and mature and look back a couple years from now. At least I hope so.
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Does any of this matter? Not unless someone takes disciplinary action against Major. I don't really see this happening. He might get banned from some SEA tournaments but he won't care. Sixjax won't take him off their roster for a minor infraction like this. No one else(MLG, NASL, TL.net) will ban him or anything since it is not really their jurisdiction.
This incident will just hurt Major's reputation a bit, but he's had a few black marks against him in the past so it doesn't mean much anyways.
Major will keep being Major.
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On July 19 2011 01:12 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:02 Olinim wrote:On July 19 2011 00:00 Tppz! wrote:On July 18 2011 23:48 lisward wrote:
If Major had came out with a "Sorry I misunderstood rules (A lie, but at least an apology), very sorry guys, will not do again, would like to apologize to SEA community", I'm pretty sure this whole thing would have died down, but instead he chose to cover up his lies with more lies and just add fuel to the fire.
Well he didnt mmisunderstand the rules. The rules werent listed right wchich made him buy an account. Afterwards he was told he cant participate because of a rule that isnt in the "Rule book" of the event. So it wasnt even MajOrs fault. You cant even tell that he did break the rules cause the rule wasnt there. Thats what I thought after reading the OP while being completly objective. And I was right as I can see. And since there was no rule officially that prevented MajOrs participation in the tourny he took his only choice to do so. Except that he contacted the admin that clearly told him he was ineligible, and the admin makes the rules, seems official to me. So you might want to work on your attention span and read the thread to aid you in your unquestionable but uninformed objectivity. He also stated he did not buy an account, once again the powers of your over eagerness fail you once more. There was an official rule, Major was aware, which is why he shared accounts and cheated his way into the tourney. Back again n a pc. So who knew about this rule other than the admin and MajOr? You cant have rules noone knows about. They didnt even edit the rules in the official thread so every1 could see that there was something going wrong. What about other players who dont live in SEA and participated? If you read the read several ppl stated that there were some others than MajOr. And go back to Page 2x. I know what was going on. I talked to Dox. I posted here earlier. Facts of this disaster: -there was a rule noone knew about -The official thread said "every1 with a SEA account was able to play" -Getting told a rule u never heard of and that noone else would hear of taht gets you banned from the tournament? No reaction to clear this failure by the admin -MajOr signed in for the tournament where he was allowed to play ("every1 with a SEA account is allowed"). MajOr played in the tournament. -I see no rule that bans some1 that smurfs. A lot of palyer do this. Naniwa for example smurfed a long time on the ladder in EU. -a lot of haters hate and post. very little ppl think and post -MajOr was banned but played anyways. -Ppl overreacting a lot
-Getting told a rule u never heard of and that noone else would hear of taht gets you banned from the tournament? No reaction to clear this failure by the admin
The Admin told Him and also Koreans and others that they could not because they were not residents of SEA. Dont see how the admin could make it any clearer.
-I see no rule that bans some1 that smurfs.
It is against Blizzard TOS to account sharing.
-a lot of haters hate and post. very little ppl think and post
-very little ppl think and post
-think and post
-think
Maybe you should take your own advise and do it some time.
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On July 19 2011 01:25 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating. Strawman. Also when you use "its" for possession you don't include the '. "It's" strictly means "it is".
Haha it's 4:30 in the morning. Forgive my punctuation. All I'm saying is that this is nowhere near as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be, and this issue was already resolved. I don't give a shit, and I'm sick of so called "SEA server representatives" making out that most SEA players will be absolutely shocked and appalled. The rule blocking non-SEA residents is ridiculous, so trying to make Major out to be some big eSports villain, doing serious damage to the SEA scene is just childish.
No one he played against were really at any disadvantage, so the most they can complain about is being beaten by a guy who shouldn't have been there due to a requirements technicality. He's by far the best player on SixJax, and is probably one of the best Terrans on NA.
I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong, but really I don't get why the controversy.
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sixjax.major read the OP of the tourney and understood it to mean anyone with a valid SEA account could play, then was told by the manager that he actually meant only SEA citizens could play, but by that time he had already passed on another tournament that was going on at the same time as this one so he was left with no tournament to play for that block of time, so he resorted to smurfing.
Both parties at fault and unsatisfactory resolution for everyone but o wells e-drama all around.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 19 2011 01:35 t3tsubo wrote:
sixjax.major read the OP of the tourney and understood it to mean anyone with a valid SEA account could play, then was told by the manager that he actually meant only SEA citizens could play, but by that time he had already passed on another tournament that was going on at the same time as this one so he was left with no tournament to play for that block of time, so he resorted to smurfing.
Both parties at fault and unsatisfactory resolution for everyone but o wells e-drama all around.
READ THE OP PLS
He was told 5 days earlier that he can't play.
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How are both parties at fault?
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Huge thread. No official announcement from Mr. Princess or sixjax? I am interested in their comments in this debacle. Everyones post is starting to be same recycled rant.
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