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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 19 2011 00:32 naggerNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:29 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever. The rules were stated and he broke them, simple as. Half a dozen different, low profile people could have smurfed from other regions in that tournament and no one probably would have batted and eyelid if it came to light. The only reason this is being made into such a massive deal is because he is well known and probably would tear the rest of the competition to pieces.
Which is also why alot of people are angry that he did this.
It is because he is a high profile player in SC2 and in a proteam, that he should know better than to try and cheat.
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On July 19 2011 00:32 naggerNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:29 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever. The rules were stated and he broke them, simple as. Half a dozen different, low profile people could have smurfed from other regions in that tournament and no one probably would have batted and eyelid if it came to light. The only reason this is being made into such a massive deal is because he is well known and probably would tear the rest of the competition to pieces.
So because other people smurf it's ok for him?
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On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever.
Clearly has not read the thread at all. He was not turned away because he was a 'top player' this was a tournament meant for the SEA community, regardless of whether or not hosting a tournament for the SEA community is a waste of money, the organizer was within his rights to deny Major access from the tournament on grounds that he was not a SEA citizen, the tournament details were originally posted on sc2sea, stating that you have to be BOTH a SEA citizen and own a SEA account. After being told explicitly that he was not allowed to join 5 days before, he still refused and maliciously sneaked into the tournament by borrowing some randoms account. Furthermore, upon being disqualified, he went into the tournament channel and started trolling and insulting people there. Then someone makes a thread about this on TL, Major comes in and lies that no one told him he couldn't participate (screen shot on page 1 to prove otherwise), and then goes on to say that 99% of SEA players are shit anyways. This isn't nonchalance, just bad behavior.
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On July 18 2011 23:19 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:15 Fyrewolf wrote:On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask? You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself. That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them. That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them. Nope. You didn't seem to read my post at all. You're fine bringing the Sixjax management who sponsor him into this. But my point clearly was that individual teammates like Artosis bear no responsibility for the way he acts. People have no place bringing Artosis into a topic like this.
No, I meant what I said. I didn't single out the SixJax management. I said he was representing a Team and that he defaced the integrity of the Team.
That's why this is such a huge deal. He's hurting every single person on that team. Each member represents the entirety of the team, and doesn't represent just the management.
That's why it's so important to act like a professional, it reflects upon everyone. It may seem unfair, but that's what happens when you are part of something larger than yourself, you need to act professional or by extension you hurt every other member of the organization.
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On July 19 2011 00:34 Kaedo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:32 naggerNZ wrote:On July 19 2011 00:29 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever. The rules were stated and he broke them, simple as. Half a dozen different, low profile people could have smurfed from other regions in that tournament and no one probably would have batted and eyelid if it came to light. The only reason this is being made into such a massive deal is because he is well known and probably would tear the rest of the competition to pieces. That's the point. Him destroying the competition doesn't help the SEA.
Because all players from other regions' sole purpose in playing Starcraft is to boost the competition in the SEA region, right? I don't see any reason why we should expect him to care, or any reason why we should vilify him when he doesn't. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I honestly could not give a damn and it is ridiculous that this is being blown so way out of proportion.
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On July 19 2011 00:32 naggerNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:29 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever. The rules were stated and he broke them, simple as. Half a dozen different, low profile people could have smurfed from other regions in that tournament and no one probably would have batted and eyelid if it came to light. The only reason this is being made into such a massive deal is because he is well known and probably would tear the rest of the competition to pieces.
Next time I'm caught speeding I will argue with the policeman that other people speed and the only reason I'm getting pulled over is because of the car I drive. I will see how that goes down. I'm sure I won't get a ticket at all ...
But what Major did in my car example was kick and abuse the police and then throw bottles at passing cars hurling more abuse. Which odly makes a news story,
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I like it when things like this happen; not gonna lie.
SC2 players are entertainers and this is entertaining. What the admin did was right, what Major did was risky and executed very poorly(lol).
Was Major out of order? Well not really, he decided to go for the ballsy approach but failed and ended up looking pretty stupid.
I don't see why you have to like someone as a person to find them fun to watch. The same can be said for IdrA, Huk etc....
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On July 19 2011 00:37 naggerNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:34 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:32 naggerNZ wrote:On July 19 2011 00:29 Kaedo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever. The rules were stated and he broke them, simple as. Half a dozen different, low profile people could have smurfed from other regions in that tournament and no one probably would have batted and eyelid if it came to light. The only reason this is being made into such a massive deal is because he is well known and probably would tear the rest of the competition to pieces. That's the point. Him destroying the competition doesn't help the SEA. Because all players from other reason's sole purpose in playing Starcraft is to boost the competition in the SEA region, right? I don't see any reason why we should expect him to care, or any reason why we should vilify him when he doesn't. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I honestly could not give a damn and it is ridiculous that this is being blown so way out of proportion.
No one wants him to care, just that he should follow the rules and not try to scam a generous tournament organizer out of his money, and subsequently be even more of a colossal douche.
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On July 19 2011 00:28 naggerNZ wrote:
I'm a SEA player and I couldn't care less. Major has always been somewhat non-chalant about stuff like this, but this in no way affects my opinion of him as a player. This sounds more like a disagreement between him and the organizers than anything else.
I'm pretty sick of so called "high profile" SEA players (such as kelly LOLOLOL) speaking for everyone. If SEA ever has intentions of having a competitive high level scene, turning away top players from other regions will do us no good whatsoever.
He assumes a false identity to enter a tournament that he was explicitly told he is not eligible to enter, and on getting caught harasses and abuses the tournament organisers. And you say this sounds like a 'disagreement'?
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On July 19 2011 00:37 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:19 dabom88 wrote:On July 18 2011 23:15 Fyrewolf wrote:On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask? You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself. That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them. That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them. Nope. You didn't seem to read my post at all. You're fine bringing the Sixjax management who sponsor him into this. But my point clearly was that individual teammates like Artosis bear no responsibility for the way he acts. People have no place bringing Artosis into a topic like this. No, I meant what I said. I didn't single out the SixJax management. I said he was representing a Team and that he defaced the integrity of the Team. That's why this is such a huge deal. He's hurting every single person on that team. Each member represents the entirety of the team, and doesn't represent just the management. That's why it's so important to act like a professional, it reflects upon everyone. It may seem unfair, but that's what happens when you are part of something larger than yourself, you need to act professional or by extension you hurt every other member of the organization.
Not saying you singled the management at all. I'm saying that they're really the only ones you can put any responsibility on doing anything about his behavior. Never said anything about reflection of the team or the integrity of the team. My whole point was, once again, is where the responsibility lies. And, once again, I state that the individual players on SixJax bear no responsibility in Major's behavior.
Doesn't matter how badly Major's actions reflects on the team, that's a different issue.
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following the TSL cheating incident a few other community sites / leagues also took action and banned them from their competitions and it was a subject of a lot of discussion. From what i recall it was the general consensus that it was simply encouraged for a community group to take action, but definitely not bashed for not taking action.
What cheating incident?
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On July 19 2011 00:38 Klive5ive wrote:
I like it when things like this happen; not gonna lie.
SC2 players are entertainers and this is entertaining. What the admin did was right, what Major did was risky and executed very poorly(lol).
Was Major out of order? Well not really, he decided to go for the ballsy approach but failed and ended up looking pretty stupid.
How the hell is breaking the rules and trying to cheat Dox out of his money NOT out of order?
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For some reason when I read the title, I assumed he was participating in Bronze-Gold tournaments or something
Did he actually "buy" a new account like he said, or did he use another persons account?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 19 2011 00:44 ImHuko wrote:
For some reason when I read the title, I assumed he was participating in Bronze-Gold tournaments or something
Did he actually "buy" a new account like he said, or did he use another persons account?
He was denied access and then used a different players account.
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On July 19 2011 00:44 ImHuko wrote:
For some reason when I read the title, I assumed he was participating in Bronze-Gold tournaments or something
Did he actually "buy" a new account like he said, or did he use another persons account?
He used another person's account, as admitted by him in this thread.
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On July 19 2011 00:44 ImHuko wrote:
For some reason when I read the title, I assumed he was participating in Bronze-Gold tournaments or something
Did he actually "buy" a new account like he said, or did he use another persons account?
he used some other players diamond account, then tried to say to the admin that he bought the account rofl
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Personally, what I have been trying to say, is that this is nothing new, it happens quite regularly (players smurfing to enter tournaments they don't meet the requirements for), and 50 pages of replies in 24 hours over a matter that was 100% resolved by the admins, on the day, is nothing short of ridiculous. I'm not trying to suggest that what Major did was not wrong and bad mannered, however this matter was RESOLVED. This is just a witch hunt because people dislike Juan.
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Yea I can't understand why anyone would stand up for this. I guess it's because they haven't read the OP or thread lol.
^ ImHuko read the OP. You should edit your post or your gonna get 2 day ban :X
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Any consequence to the guy that shared his account? He should be reported/banned for that, but it seems everybody just focused in Major (which is logic), but the other guy should be punished too.
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^ I wonder how culpable it is. From what I understand he offered it in his stream, but did he know it was explicitly to be used for abusive purposes? And he's just a Diamond, I don't think he can really be punished for it. It's not like he's going to enter these kind of tournaments anytime soon. His TL account maybe could be banned, if anyone knew it.
What TSL cheating incident occured though?
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