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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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What major did demonstrates the lack of integrity that he has. I don't understand how people can just defend him like he did nothing wrong even if the forum posts for the rules was unclear. He was told straight up that he couldn't participate.
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very disapointed:/ only decent us terran to cheer for (ofc select #1 <3)
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The best way for Artosis to do PR damage control is to slap Major across the face and tell him to stop posting a dam thing. He not only dug his own grave, he dug a freaking crater of HUGE proportions! This incident was this big:
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Noticed alot of people say it hurts E-sports but what happened with Major will happen again and again Where there are competitions there will be Fread, Cheating and Hacking. Major did Fraud/Cheat his way in the tournament and YES he did something stupid but would i put it in the same heavy category as StreamCheating or Hacking...NO. People have been raging here for hours now and its pretty fun to see but you are blowing stuff out of preportions.
If E-Sports cant even handle a small incident like this then it wasnt meant to be.
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On July 18 2011 18:47 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 18:42 Medrea wrote:On July 18 2011 18:40 wats0n wrote:On July 18 2011 18:39 TBO wrote:On July 18 2011 18:38 wats0n wrote:On July 18 2011 18:34 JiYan wrote:On July 18 2011 18:25 wats0n wrote:
Why do people keep using the word "cheat?" Is it an English as a second language thing? Cheat means something specific in gaming. What he did was smurf not cheat. He's a dick not a cheater. I get that the community wants to make him pay for his actions but don't make him out to be a cheater. That's not cool. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheat5.to violate rules or regulations Yeah guy, I know the dictionary definition of the word cheat. But you don't use it against a professional gamer unless for a specific DIFFERENT sense. It has a reserved use in this business. And it's bullshit to bring it out in this case when somebody isn't cheating. If people want to say, "He cheated people out of money," that's different than sheepishly throwing out, "He's a cheater." That shit isn't cool. you say that cheat has a specific context in "games/gaming" however what he did is not related to "games/gaming" but to a competition. He cheated outside the game so why would you need to use the gaming definition of cheat. He's a professional gamer. You call him a "cheater" for a very specific reason. Don't be intentionally obtuse. Everyone posting on TL should know this (at least I hope so). He quite literally cheated. No abstract form of the word is being employed here. Hey guy, did you even read all the posts? I just said dictionary definition isn't gospel here. "Cheater" has a specific implication and people are intentionally using it here to shit on the guy's name. I get that guys want to punish him but that's not cool to use the word "cheater." I came into the last page of this thread and read like half a dozen posts saying that he cheated in a tournament and I legitimately thought he was hacking. You don't put that stigma on people and let it spread beyond this thread unless it's true. It's pretty damn easy to say that he "smurfed." Learn the correct terminology people. It's simple.
Maybe if you read the OP......
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On July 18 2011 23:48 lisward wrote:
If Major had came out with a "Sorry I misunderstood rules (A lie, but at least an apology), very sorry guys, will not do again, would like to apologize to SEA community", I'm pretty sure this whole thing would have died down, but instead he chose to cover up his lies with more lies and just add fuel to the fire.
Well he didnt mmisunderstand the rules. The rules werent listed right wchich made him buy an account. Afterwards he was told he cant participate because of a rule that isnt in the "Rule book" of the event.
So it wasnt even MajOrs fault. You cant even tell that he did break the rules cause the rule wasnt there. Thats what I thought after reading the OP while being completly objective. And I was right as I can see.
And since there was no rule officially that prevented MajOrs participation in the tourny he took his only choice to do so.
User was warned for this post
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On July 18 2011 23:13 HitMonkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:11 UkGracken wrote:On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude. Kelly im not sure this is the correct way, I don't think being high and mighty and claming to be in contact with 99% of his sea-fans, (to which you claim he has now lost) I totally agree with you on some other points, but i think it starts to get a bit childish when you start making claims that hes lost fans, "Stay away from the server or our events and tournaments" Im also confused at when blizzard said you were allowed to police there servers telling who can and can't buy a account, I am totally with you on that he should apologise, and how he is making himself look a bit better that he should accept it and move on. Just in future if i was you, i would stay away from talking about a whole server, as it just makes you look like you think you own SEA and all its players. Maybe the way she worded it was not well done. But I don't think there would be many people in SEA that would let or want him participate in any tournament after this.
Gracken, SEA is my home from day 1. He was extremely rude to everyone that day itself and even challenging and calling out players in the channel. I don't own SEA. I live there, and mingle and communicate with people there.
I know its an exaggeration when I say he lost 99% of his fans. Obviously that was as well as when I said he was told 1000000 time that he couldn't join.
Edit: Gracken My apologies if I sounded aggressive. I am emotional sometimes HEHEHE
On July 18 2011 23:23 HaRxTears wrote:
Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao
You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D
Yes my words hold 99% of all SEA server opinions. Do you have a problem with that?
And yes I am awesome.
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are you guys defending him dumb or some shit? if the tournament director tells you that you can't compete, then you don't compete. you don't fucking harass the shit out of the tournament people and smurf your way in.
there is no defense for his actions. he was told not to do something and he did it anyway.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I'm sure plenty of players be it GM or high placing tournament players do this as well. Who knows.
Can't blame a guy for wanting to enter a tourney by any means. If you're not cheating, you're not trying right?..... XD. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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On July 19 2011 00:00 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:48 lisward wrote:
If Major had came out with a "Sorry I misunderstood rules (A lie, but at least an apology), very sorry guys, will not do again, would like to apologize to SEA community", I'm pretty sure this whole thing would have died down, but instead he chose to cover up his lies with more lies and just add fuel to the fire.
Well he didnt mmisunderstand the rules. The rules werent listed right wchich made him buy an account. Afterwards he was told he cant participate because of a rule that isnt in the "Rule book" of the event. So it wasnt even MajOrs fault. You cant even tell that he did break the rules cause the rule wasnt there. Thats what I thought after reading the OP while being completly objective. And I was right as I can see. And since there was no rule officially that prevented MajOrs participation in the tourny he took his only choice to do so.
Except that he contacted the admin that clearly told him he was ineligible, and the admin makes the rules, seems official to me. So you might want to work on your attention span and read the thread to aid you in your unquestionable but uninformed objectivity. He also stated he did not buy an account, once again the powers of your over eagerness fail you once more. There was an official rule, Major was aware, which is why he shared accounts and cheated his way into the tourney.
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Artosis needs to kick this guy from the team. Bad publicity for his team and the SC2 scene. God I hate when players do this stupid shit. It makes him seem like such a 10 year old kid. "Mommy the man wont let me play with other kids....I'll just cheat then and pretend to be someone else"
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On July 18 2011 22:42 StarStruck wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:
Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans.
I agree with what you said earlier, but no need to go over the top. We've been down this road before, especially with Juan. I'm certainly not surprised by his actions and people will still root for him regardless.
On July 18 2011 23:11 UkGracken wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Kelly im not sure this is the correct way, I don't think being high and mighty and claming to be in contact with 99% of his sea-fans, (to which you claim he has now lost)
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Just in future if i was you, i would stay away from talking about a whole server, as it just makes you look like you think you own SEA and all its players.
On July 18 2011 23:23 HaRxTears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao
You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D
On July 18 2011 23:50 UkGracken wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sorry i was not bashing kelly milkies, i was just pointing out that mabye she shouldn't be speaking on behalf of anyone but herself, as this is very immature and childish. I tried to point it out in the best way i could.
Yeah if you're not Australian from SEA then you don't get to chastise Kelly for her speaking on our behalf.
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On July 19 2011 00:01 BthreeN wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I'm sure plenty of players be it GM or high placing tournament players do this as well. Who knows.
Can't blame a guy for wanting to enter a tourney by any means. If you're not cheating, you're not trying right?..... XD. I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Actually I can blame him because he is a cheating douche. I guess those baseball players who actually don't take steroids just aren't trying right? LOLZ NOOBS. Why is attempting to scam this tournament organizer out of his own money not a big deal?
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lol he keeps putting himself in these situations where he looks like a total asshole. ughh
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Let's just say, for example, that what he did wrong wasn't smurf his way into the tournament. Lets just say that for now.
He still wronged the community by harassing tournament officials, insulting millions of people, and alienated himself from the very viewers who create the advertising revenue that he lives off of. How does he not understand that it is the SC2 community, both where he's from and not where he's from, that pays for his "salary"? People talk about how much more interesting non-Korean players are because they have attitudes. Well, there are some of us who value respect and humility above pride.
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On July 19 2011 00:03 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Artosis needs to kick this guy from the team. Bad publicity for his team and the SC2 scene. God I hate when players do this stupid shit. It makes him seem like such a 10 year old kid. "Mommy the man wont let me play with other kids....I'll just cheat then and pretend to be someone else"
Hey man, what do you expect from a player who can't beat players on his level and hasn't done anything as a professional player? Of course he's going to steal small money prizes from lower-level tournaments meant for players who are trying to learn the game and get better. Major's a joke as a "pro" at this game who can't even compete at the highest level.
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Sure, what Major did is realy bad but kicking him from the team ? I don't know. I feel everyone needs a second chance. And since his Sixjax join he hasn't done anything wrong till now.
I realy don't like that guy, but let's be serious: you don't kick a player on the first error he does in your team 
Catz must be giggling right now
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On July 19 2011 00:00 kellymilkies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:13 HitMonkie wrote:On July 18 2011 23:11 UkGracken wrote:On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude. Kelly im not sure this is the correct way, I don't think being high and mighty and claming to be in contact with 99% of his sea-fans, (to which you claim he has now lost) I totally agree with you on some other points, but i think it starts to get a bit childish when you start making claims that hes lost fans, "Stay away from the server or our events and tournaments" Im also confused at when blizzard said you were allowed to police there servers telling who can and can't buy a account, I am totally with you on that he should apologise, and how he is making himself look a bit better that he should accept it and move on. Just in future if i was you, i would stay away from talking about a whole server, as it just makes you look like you think you own SEA and all its players. Maybe the way she worded it was not well done. But I don't think there would be many people in SEA that would let or want him participate in any tournament after this. Gracken, SEA is my home from day 1. He was extremely rude to everyone that day itself and even challenging and calling out players in the channel. I don't own SEA. I live there, and mingle and communicate with people there. I know its an exaggeration when I say he lost 99% of his fans. Obviously that was as well as when I said he was told 1000000 time that he couldn't join. Edit: Gracken My apologies if I sounded aggressive. I am emotional sometimes HEHEHE Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:23 HaRxTears wrote:
Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao
You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D Yes my words hold 99% of all SEA server opinions. Do you have a problem with that? And yes I am awesome.
Wanted to respond on this "properly" but i got warned for trolling  too bad.
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On July 18 2011 23:48 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:45 Zaros wrote:On July 18 2011 23:43 Pyo wrote:
Artosis is probably face-palming hard-core right now. Even if this isn't a big deal (which it kind of is), I'm sure that no team manager/captain wants to have to waste time/effort with PR damage control.
Someone needs to explain to him that the only reason IdrA can get away with publicly being a huge dick to everyone is because he plays Zerg. Terran players aren't likely to get even the tiniest bit of sympathy from anyone. Theres a huge difference here between idra and major please dont bring idra anywhere near this thread as he has never done anything like this. http://www.gosugamers.net/hon/news.php?id=4720
4 years ago. At least he changed. Major has been doing this stuff for a awhile now and doesn't seem to be changing.
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On July 19 2011 00:07 MollocH wrote:Sure, what Major did is realy bad but kicking him from the team ? I don't know. I feel everyone needs a second chance. And since his Sixjax join he hasn't done anything wrong till now. I realy don't like that guy, but let's be serious: you don't kick a player on the first error he does in your team Catz must be giggling right now
perhaps, but that was discussed earlier in this thread, and there is a difference, mostly stemming from the fact that Dox can do whatever he wants with his own money and that it's the SEA region, which isn't like NA or EU at all.
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