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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 18 2011 23:11 UkGracken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude. Kelly im not sure this is the correct way, I don't think being high and mighty and claming to be in contact with 99% of his sea-fans, (to which you claim he has now lost) I totally agree with you on some other points, but i think it starts to get a bit childish when you start making claims that hes lost fans, "Stay away from the server or our events and tournaments" Im also confused at when blizzard said you were allowed to police there servers telling who can and can't buy a account, I am totally with you on that he should apologise, and how he is making himself look a bit better that he should accept it and move on. Just in future if i was you, i would stay away from talking about a whole server, as it just makes you look like you think you own SEA and all its players.
Maybe the way she worded it was not well done.
But I don't think there would be many people in SEA that would let or want him participate in any tournament after this.
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On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude.
Lets not forget major just called everyone from NA bad as well. One thing I'd like to comment on is that I don't think you should speak on the Sea's opinion as a whole though... just a recommendation.
On July 18 2011 21:17 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:14 Dox wrote:On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.
Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.
Okay wow. I've just caught up on the thread and read all of your other posts. I'm convinced that you *must* be trolling by now, or are clearly misinformed about the SEA scene. The guy who came 2nd in the tournament (aLt.iaguz) went 3-0 against GLaDe before dropping the remaining Grand Final games. It was a very close and entertaining series. iaguz also took games off ST_Ace at the NRG $25,000 tournament. And so did nGen.Light, the runner-up. The same can be said for the Dox Cup 3rd place participant, who was not seeded into the round of 32 - nGen.JazBas. Incidentally, he is currently ranked 45th on the North American Grandmaster League with a 60% win ratio. I'd appreciate if you would now: 1) Stop pretending to know anything about the SEA scene. 2) Stop telling me what I should do with my money. im sorry about what im about to say but excluding moonglade everyone else over sea is terrible at sc2, just cause they do good in such bad server as NA means nothing. i played like 2days ago the best Terran in sea i believe his id is IMyoonji on KR ladder than he procceed to ask me to join sixjax.
sixjaxmajor's immaturity is quite astounding... This guy seriously needs to be kept on a short leash and deserves some kind of punishment.
Also, there is talk that "since he is just cheating in sea server, it doesn't mean shit" kind of thing. That is completely false as it puts a major black stain on his character as a whole (or would it be more correct to say it reflects his character?). I most certainly wouldn't ever want someone like that to participate if I ever ended up funding a tournament of sorts of mine.
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On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask?
You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself.
That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them.
That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them.
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Kind of sad to see this sort of thing happen.. Before this I was pretty neutral towards him, but I can't see myself rooting for him after this minor fiasco and his responses to it.
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On July 18 2011 23:12 alepov wrote:
wow so many white knights, can guarantee you that there are other famous smurfers in every tournament. Juan just got caught and it's easy to flame him because of his bad rep. zz.
Anyone who gets caught cheating in games where money is on the line will get criticized. Professional players more so because more is expected of them. Juan is nothing special.
On July 18 2011 23:15 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask? You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself. That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them. That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them.
Nope. You didn't seem to read my post at all. You're fine bringing the Sixjax management who sponsor him into this. But my point clearly was that individual teammates like Artosis bear no responsibility for the way he acts. People have no place bringing Artosis into a topic like this.
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Sounds like both parties were in the wrong but what exactly do these tournaments have to gain by excluding non-SEA citizens? If the person is a good player and just happens to live in say, Mexico, they should be allowed to play. Almost reminds me of when people were up in arms at NASL for letting in Koreans.
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.....this guy is an asshole... just listen to how he whines about not following rules
and does stupid shit and gets caught and then complains
"oh you made me buy an account"...
pretty trashy
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On July 18 2011 23:20 Tenks wrote:
Sounds like both parties were in the wrong but what exactly do these tournaments have to gain by excluding non-SEA citizens? If the person is a good player and just happens to live in say, Mexico, they should be allowed to play. Almost reminds me of when people were up in arms at NASL for letting in Koreans.
rules are rules?
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On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude.
Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao
You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D
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On July 18 2011 23:23 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:20 Tenks wrote:
Sounds like both parties were in the wrong but what exactly do these tournaments have to gain by excluding non-SEA citizens? If the person is a good player and just happens to live in say, Mexico, they should be allowed to play. Almost reminds me of when people were up in arms at NASL for letting in Koreans. rules are rules?
I'm aware of that -- its just a really stupid rule.
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On July 18 2011 23:20 Tenks wrote:
Sounds like both parties were in the wrong but what exactly do these tournaments have to gain by excluding non-SEA citizens? If the person is a good player and just happens to live in say, Mexico, they should be allowed to play. Almost reminds me of when people were up in arms at NASL for letting in Koreans.
The guy sponsoring the tournament has every right to decide on eligibility. Agree with him or not, he made the rules and juan deliberately broke them and tried to cover for it. And in typical major fashion, is being immature and still not accepting responsibility for his actions.
As to why this particular tourney was SEA citizens only, the guy is trying to pump some money into the local scene to give more local players a chance to be competitive. The e-sports scene is not nearly as developed over here as it is in america, korea or europe, so it's nice to have some (note: some, not all) tournaments where the prize money is guaranteed to go to local players.
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On July 18 2011 23:25 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:23 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:On July 18 2011 23:20 Tenks wrote:
Sounds like both parties were in the wrong but what exactly do these tournaments have to gain by excluding non-SEA citizens? If the person is a good player and just happens to live in say, Mexico, they should be allowed to play. Almost reminds me of when people were up in arms at NASL for letting in Koreans. rules are rules? I'm aware of that -- its just a really stupid rule.
Just because you think a rule is stupid doesn't justify breaking it.
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On July 18 2011 21:22 sixjaxMajor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:20 Bobble wrote:On July 18 2011 21:16 Ipp wrote:On July 18 2011 21:03 joshboy42 wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. Ok clearly you didn't take the time to actually read the post. Major was told FIVE DAYS before the event that he was not eligible. And he was then deliberately deceitful in using a diamond smurf account to anyway. And then when he was caught he lied again and called the tourney admin a fag. I'm failing to see at what point the tournament was in the wrong. And it is a big deal even if he doesn't get given the prize money, because on his way he has eliminated other legitimate contestants from having a shot at winning. The tournament has inconsistent rules, right here it states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.". You can't just say it is open to everyone, and at seeding decide not to seed someone. The fact that major smurfed is wrong, I said that. But lets replace Major with a GSL Winner, would you still be upset at the player? Problem is, major apparently was told about 5 days before the Dox cup, was told by Dox that he was ineligible, then decided to sneak his way into the tourney, and when he was caught out, he just trolled the room. If anyone did that, I think I would be pissed. As said before, the fact that it was only open to SEA citizens was not fully advertised, and I think that's already been accounted for. It didn't seem to bother Fenix or the Korean pros. And since major didn't pay for an account, all it cost him was time, essentially. why u lieing no one ever told me that until they day i log in into the servers stop spreading bs without reading
This without reading thing. You should try it. Here let me point you to the OP since you didn't seem to have read it, or the public note at the top. Especially the EDIT 3 part might be of a certain interest to you aside from the chatlog.
On July 18 2011 10:50 cristo1122 wrote:http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=1836an intereesting story out of the sea region from the weekend long story short there was a restricted tournament held (based on citizenship) and major after being told by admins that he was inelligble to play do so anyway using someone elses account. Screenshots included in link. Very amusing turn of events ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3eToR.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OI7uB.jpg<br>[img]http://i.imgur.com/06W2j.jpg) Edit: link works it is just slow (SEA = poor internet speed) Edit 2: from page 2 from evoi I was traveling from San Francisco back home when this happened. When I came home I talked to everyone involved. I've already talked to Kelly Milkies, another admin, and Juan about it. All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Edit: 3 Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 12:25 Dox wrote:
Okay so. Hi. I'm Dox/VVoLF/Derek/whatever you want to call me. I'm the one who hosted the tournament. Allow me to give a little background before I respond to the posts below. I'm basically going to repeat what I said on Kelly's stream during the event.
This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe).
The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP.
5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole.
The screenshotted conversation you would have seen throughout this thread took place 15 minutes before the event went live. As you can see, I tried to be as civil and accommodating as possible towards MajOr, however he wasn't satisfied. He eventually gave up on harassing me, logged out, and I assumed he'd finally took no for an answer. But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account.
He proceeded to eliminate several players from the event, going unnoticed until he went up against one of the top seeds (aLt.iaguz, who fell 1 game short of winning the entire event) and drew a lot of attention to himself when he won. After analysing the replays and comparing them to some of MajOr's replays, it was quite clear that all of the hotkeys/APM/style were identical. We checked his stream and that's when it became quite clear that he decided to play on someone else's account after being refused entry several times. I eliminated him from the event and rewarded iaguz with the walkover, however I could do nothing but apologise to the players he had eliminated from the event in the earlier rounds. These players felt pretty cheated.
There are so many posts on so many forums which claim that his behaviour was justified because the rules weren't clear. But please understand that he had been denied access to the event several days before he even signed up. The brackets were already full before he signed up. His behaviour was inexcusable.
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On July 18 2011 23:23 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude. Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D
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On July 18 2011 23:23 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack. pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account. Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise. Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude. Omg are you the SEA server? So your words holds 99% of all the SEA server opinions? Damn you must be awesome...rofllolmao You are right in the not good part tho....major definitly would stomp every SEA player. ;D
I believe he will do anything to win including cheating lying abusing every possible way. I also believe every single korean will stomp him too.
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Kelly is right, I am from SEA, and I used to be a huge fan of Terran, until this. Again, I feel that many people are missing the whole point of this. I feel sorry for Dox, and Dox has my full support, he forks out his own money to organize a tournament for the SEA community, someone comes into the tournament when he was told specifically he was not allowed to and messes things up for the tournament, but it doesn't just end there, the community has to attack Dox and make him justify why he made the event SEA only or why he even organised the event at all. He made the event SEA only, and organized the event, because he can.
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I really hope Sixjax kicks him out of the team, this is not professional in any sense of the way and not a player any serious organization should sponsor. Hell, back in the maphack scandal days the cheaters would atleast be mannered when getting caught, this guy comes in here acting like a total douche. If I were a tournament organizer I would ban this guy without hesitating.
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Is it really that big of a deal? He's still a great player just trying to make a living he shouldn't have done it but meh he didn't shake any babies or gain anything why is everyone in here treating him like sAvior ?
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Wow how has this topic moved on to bashing the SEA server and kellymilkies, this is about major cheating a tournament not about the quality of a server or one persons ligitamate response to major's terrible response to this thread.
Major's responses have made it a 1000x worse now, ill be 100% sure not to support him or anyone who is defending him.
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On July 18 2011 23:19 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:12 alepov wrote:
wow so many white knights, can guarantee you that there are other famous smurfers in every tournament. Juan just got caught and it's easy to flame him because of his bad rep. zz. Anyone who gets caught cheating in games where money is on the line will get criticized. Professional players more so because more is expected of them. Juan is nothing special. Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 23:15 Fyrewolf wrote:On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask? You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself. That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them. That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them. Nope. You didn't seem to read my post at all. You're fine bringing the Sixjax management who sponsor him into this. But my point clearly was that individual teammates like Artosis bear no responsibility for the way he acts. People have no place bringing Artosis into a topic like this.
Actually he does to an extent as his manager, but the rest of the team shouldn't get flamed. It is his responsibility to make sure the team practices, practices in tournaments, or whatever is expected of him by the boss. As such, he is also responsible for dealing with major's attitude/character and repercussions should they appear to an extent.
After all, I'm sure sponsors wouldn't really want to sponsor cheaters or immoral people now would they? It'll reflect badly upon themselves. (in essence, sponsors would be deterred from sponsoring teams of assholes)
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