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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 19 2011 04:11 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:08 ptbl wrote:
I just want to hear what Artosis has to say. I love Artosis but he's the most biased man on earth lol.
He needs to give guidance to those who can't think for themselves though.
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On July 19 2011 04:20 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:08 ptbl wrote:
I just want to hear what Artosis has to say. Will Major get any disciplinary action from Sixjax? After a couple of words from him, I think we will be able to move on from this incident. Don't expect a statement from Artosis since it would just draw more attention to the issue. Also, i'd wager Artosis doesn't care. I'd love to see JP bring this up on sotg though to get a response from him.
It obviously is at this point as it is apparently bigger news than FXO buying fOu.
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major should have just tried to apologize...but he keeps making excuses. SEA citizen or no...the fact that he tried to exploit a diamond tourney is shameful.
oh and btw, he did not NEED to buy a Sea account, he did not NEED to play in that tourney, so him blaming Dox for wasting $60 for the account is stupid.
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I know this might go overlooked with the main star, Major, taking all the limelight, but don't forget to do something about Sayft as well since he is just as guilty.
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On July 19 2011 04:18 k!llua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying  Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. ok, so the end result is a slap on the wrist, with sorry all round to those offended. *sigh* how many slaps does major need to receive before he actually changes his behaviour? i can't imagine a stern talking to has any more impact than getting banned for stupidity/cheating or being removed from the team (root). disappointing, but it's artosis' team ... so -.- cest la vie i suppose edit: not trying to disparage artosis here, just meant that it was his call on how to proceed. hopefully he can find a way of instilling some humility into major despite the dark clouds hovering above -,-
I don't know what you're looking for here. SixJax have already clearly acknowledged Major was in the wrong and apologized for his having disrupted the event. Beyond that, this kind of thing is best dealt with in private -- in any event, certainly not in a public forum such as this one.
The amount of melodrama throughout this thread is beyond absurd. Major has already been disqualified and banned from future events held by the same organizer -- not to mention being publicly shamed. What more do you expect, SixJax to deliver you his head on a platter?
Make no mistake -- what Major did, and his behavior when he was caught were highly inappropriate. However, this thread has rapidly degenerated into a witch hunt wholly out of proportion to those misdeeds. Major has some growing up to do. Judging by this thread, he has a whole lot of company in this community. 
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On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public.
Have you read Major's posts in this thread?
Because if you had you would have realized whatever you told him did not stick at all and he keeps digging deeper.
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On July 19 2011 04:18 k!llua wrote:you're going to get banned, but well played all the same. Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. ok, so the end result is a slap on the wrist, with sorry all round to those offended. *sigh* how many slaps does major need to receive before he actually changes his behaviour? i can't imagine a stern talking to has any more impact than getting banned for stupidity/cheating or being removed from the team (root). disappointing, but it's artosis' team ... so -.- cest la vie i suppose edit: not trying to disparage artosis here, just meant that it was his call on how to proceed. hopefully he can find a way of instilling some humility into major despite the dark clouds hovering above -,-
Well, given the fact that this seems to be the first major (no pun intended) team he is on, and that also pays for his travels and such, I don't think that Juan will jeapordize his current position.
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On July 19 2011 04:33 Lord_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:18 k!llua wrote:On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. ok, so the end result is a slap on the wrist, with sorry all round to those offended. *sigh* how many slaps does major need to receive before he actually changes his behaviour? i can't imagine a stern talking to has any more impact than getting banned for stupidity/cheating or being removed from the team (root). disappointing, but it's artosis' team ... so -.- cest la vie i suppose edit: not trying to disparage artosis here, just meant that it was his call on how to proceed. hopefully he can find a way of instilling some humility into major despite the dark clouds hovering above -,- I don't know what you're looking for here. SixJax have already clearly acknowledged Major was in the wrong and apologized for his having disrupted the event. Beyond that, this kind of thing is best dealt with in private -- in any event, certainly not in a public forum such as this one. The amount of melodrama throughout this thread is beyond absurd. Major has already been disqualified and banned from future events held by the same organizer -- not to mention being publicly shamed. What more do you expect, SixJax to deliver you his head on a platter? Make no mistake -- what Major did, and his behavior when he was caught were highly inappropriate. However, this thread has rapidly degenerated into a witch hunt wholly out of proportion to those misdeeds. Major has some growing up to do. Judging by this thread, he has a whole lot of company in this community.
I'd like to see some form of justice, to have either Sixjax outline some form of punishment or have the community respond in a fashion that lays down a marker for how players should behave in the future.
I'm not expecting players to be forced onto their knees at the behest of admins, but it's not out of conjunction with reality to expect some form of communal agreement that can be used across multiple tournaments. That may include a community wide ban. Keep in mind, there has only been one Dox Cup, and as awesome as he is, Dox is not responsible for all tournaments in SEA.
He has little sway over tournaments elsewhere too, but the impression is that Major's actions in this event are less reprehensible because 1) SEA is "rubbish" and 2) it wasn't a large event like a TLopen or something more important, like a qualifier.
Seeing someone like Dox, who doesn't get paid and has invested his own money into the tournament only to have some asshole come and shit over his event and make life more difficult, be treated so poorly is reprehensible. I admit, I'm not being entirely rational. A wide-scale ban is probably inappropriate, but it'd be nice to see Major not invited to a few events over the next month or so (but still allowed to compete at open qualifiers).
It'd be some form of justice, anyway, and an acknowledgement that you don't just go and shit all over people who put their time and effort into making the Starcraft community a better place, no matter how "worthless" you think that community might be.
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On July 19 2011 03:53 koppik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 03:28 poorbeggarman wrote:On July 19 2011 02:58 koppik wrote:
I think it's just that the word "cheating" just has different nuances to different people, really. My sense is that just violating a rule generally isn't termed "cheating" unless there is some intention to gain an unfair advantage over the competition in a clandestine manner. People can call what Maj0r did "cheating", but all that will do is spark semantic debates about the meaning of "cheating", which have already popped up in minor and major form repeatedly in this thread. Verb cheat (third-person singular simple present cheats, present participle cheating, simple past and past participle cheated) 1.(intransitive) To violate rules in order to gain advantage from a situation. 2.(intransitive) To be unfaithful to one's spouse or partner. 3.(transitive) To manage to avoid something even though it seemed unlikely. Noun cheating (uncountable) 1.An act of deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. I'm sorry, with all due respect; your sense, or anyone's for that matter is irrelevant to the current english definition of "cheating".There is no room for debate. Please also note that the term "cheating" is not exclusively reserved for individuals/organizations who gain an unfair advantage over their opponents via hacking. That's a backwards view, I think. The art of dictionary-making just attempts to synthesize the myriad senses native-speakers have of a word. It's just a poor, short version of a complicated story that's helpful for people unfamiliar with a word. If you use a word, and native speakers repeatedly insist it's not really correct on a semantic level, then you should really pick a different word. Or you can argue semantics. But, for instance, in this case, the main "unfair advantage" Maj0r had was "being Mexican". There is the element that SEA people wouldn't recognize his name and thus would be at a unfair disadvantage, but that's sort of a loose argument as that's not really the upsetting thing about what Maj0r did. Just calling it a "rule violation" or better yet saying he was "intentionally violating the rules" is a much clearer thing to say, if a little bit longer. User was warned for this post
Current versions of dictionaries reflect the accepted views and interpretations of the vast majority of "native speakers". You were taught english by the dictionary, or by someone or something which somewhere along the line referenced the dictionary. Current English definitions exist so that people can actually use it to communicate. By your bizzare standards, we should all be calling a cow a hen instead, arguing from a semantic level.
If you're going to quote me on "unfair advantage" might i point out that it was in the context of Hacking-to gain an unfair advantage. Nothing to do with SEA people not recognizing his name being a disadvatage.
Violated rules, check. gain advantage from situation-good chance of monetary reward,check.
cheating.
You could coin your own words to appropriately describe this act, that's your prerogative. But in english, this is cheating.
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Man, when this dude joined the SC2 scene all the brood war people got all uptight saying hes no good, hes trouble, etc.
He really is no good and trouble, isnt he..
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I can totally picture Major trying really hard to enter any SEA Tournament just to show himself around.
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What an immature player. No respect for him whatsoever.
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On July 19 2011 04:33 Flwz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. Have you read Major's posts in this thread? Because if you had you would have realized whatever you told him did not stick at all and he keeps digging deeper.
Agreed, he doesn't seem to have gotten the message at all. That's why a slap on the wrist almost never works.
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Immaturity at its finest. A pity that such consistently poor actions of a pro player gets to go away scot-free, and even rewarded by pro team pickups.
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Things like this makes me think that all pro gaming teams are not so serious business after all.
Who hires someone who types like that? :-) (see posts & chat)
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Sorry evoli, but what you're doing clearly isn't working.
First the whole debacle about buying an account and sharing it with someone, then publicly calling them out for stealing it. Then the WCG thing, now this. I'm sure I've also forgotten some stuff in between but it doesn't seem like you guys are really making this work, just seems like he's doing what he wants.
Pretty disappointing, don't think I can really root for Sixjax as a team.
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Just to be clear what this team is and what they stand for, sixjax is basically a fraud website that cheats foolish people out of their money. It's like gambling but with worse odds and not subject to gambling laws.
The whole team has no integrity and nobody associated with it has any integrity either. They don't care.
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On July 19 2011 04:33 Lord_J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:18 k!llua wrote:On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. ok, so the end result is a slap on the wrist, with sorry all round to those offended. *sigh* how many slaps does major need to receive before he actually changes his behaviour? i can't imagine a stern talking to has any more impact than getting banned for stupidity/cheating or being removed from the team (root). disappointing, but it's artosis' team ... so -.- cest la vie i suppose edit: not trying to disparage artosis here, just meant that it was his call on how to proceed. hopefully he can find a way of instilling some humility into major despite the dark clouds hovering above -,- I don't know what you're looking for here. SixJax have already clearly acknowledged Major was in the wrong and apologized for his having disrupted the event. Beyond that, this kind of thing is best dealt with in private -- in any event, certainly not in a public forum such as this one. The amount of melodrama throughout this thread is beyond absurd. Major has already been disqualified and banned from future events held by the same organizer -- not to mention being publicly shamed. What more do you expect, SixJax to deliver you his head on a platter? Make no mistake -- what Major did, and his behavior when he was caught were highly inappropriate. However, this thread has rapidly degenerated into a witch hunt wholly out of proportion to those misdeeds. Major has some growing up to do. Judging by this thread, he has a whole lot of company in this community.
Agreed.
Evoli spoke, and that's that. They've acknowledged the situation and apologized. How they're handling this internally is their own business.
Hopefully we can move on from here.
Just to be clear what this team is and what they stand for, sixjax is basically a fraud website that cheats foolish people out of their money. It's like gambling but with worse odds and not subject to gambling laws.
The whole team has no integrity and nobody associated with it has any integrity either. They don't care.
Woah whats with the unfounded random accusations?
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On July 19 2011 05:03 sodapop wrote:
Things like this makes me think that all pro gaming teams are not so serious business after all.
Who hires someone who types like that? :-) (see posts & chat)
EG does.
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On July 19 2011 05:08 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:33 Lord_J wrote:On July 19 2011 04:18 k!llua wrote:On July 19 2011 04:10 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:52 JWD wrote:On July 19 2011 03:44 evoli wrote:On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote:It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse: On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server. Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup". I'm not impressed. I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject. I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful. The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region. Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag? The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played. I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused. I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public. ok, so the end result is a slap on the wrist, with sorry all round to those offended. *sigh* how many slaps does major need to receive before he actually changes his behaviour? i can't imagine a stern talking to has any more impact than getting banned for stupidity/cheating or being removed from the team (root). disappointing, but it's artosis' team ... so -.- cest la vie i suppose edit: not trying to disparage artosis here, just meant that it was his call on how to proceed. hopefully he can find a way of instilling some humility into major despite the dark clouds hovering above -,- I don't know what you're looking for here. SixJax have already clearly acknowledged Major was in the wrong and apologized for his having disrupted the event. Beyond that, this kind of thing is best dealt with in private -- in any event, certainly not in a public forum such as this one. The amount of melodrama throughout this thread is beyond absurd. Major has already been disqualified and banned from future events held by the same organizer -- not to mention being publicly shamed. What more do you expect, SixJax to deliver you his head on a platter? Make no mistake -- what Major did, and his behavior when he was caught were highly inappropriate. However, this thread has rapidly degenerated into a witch hunt wholly out of proportion to those misdeeds. Major has some growing up to do. Judging by this thread, he has a whole lot of company in this community. Agreed. Evoli spoke, and that's that. They've acknowledged the situation and apologized. How they're handling this internally is their own business. Hopefully we can move on from here. Show nested quote +Just to be clear what this team is and what they stand for, sixjax is basically a fraud website that cheats foolish people out of their money. It's like gambling but with worse odds and not subject to gambling laws.
The whole team has no integrity and nobody associated with it has any integrity either. They don't care. Woah whats with the unfounded random accusations?
What's unfounded about it?
People with integrity do not shill for or associate themselves with scammers.
All the money sixjax uses to fund their esports team was acquired by tricking people into giving them money for nothing in return. Some people might be happy to get their hands on a piece of that pie, but obviously anyone who does has no integrity. And if they don't care about cheating random people on the internet out of their money why would they care about major trying to cheat a small tournament out of the money they set aside for a specific region?
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