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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
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On July 18 2011 19:32 vohne wrote:
After reading the OP I have to say; this is pretty bad. This is pretty Major. He needs to change his attitude, or lose all his fans.
From the responses of this thread, there are people that'll be his fans no matter how bad his actions are.
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On July 18 2011 19:33 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:06 shadymmj wrote:On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.
If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him. c) Legally, you don't just let someone who's attempted to steal from you walk away scott free do you? Hence, there is the term "attempted". Lesser sentence, but still deserved. (Unless you're in the US of A, of course. Sorry US folks, it's true.)
Wtf are you talking about? Random in the first place and second there are charges in the US for attempted crimes anyway.
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Wow what a shady little kid. Check that, after that seeing him in videos at various events hes a big (pudgy) kid that needs to grow up.
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On July 18 2011 19:16 iaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place. It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off. You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness. I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server. I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place. What? So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament? And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is. Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers. K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win... Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time. As the bloke who got second in this tournament to Glade, again (sigh), I can assure you that naruto is right fucking bang on with this. There'll be a next time Andy.
Just by going to the IEM world championship, Moonglade was guaranteed 400 dollars. By winning he would've won 13,000 dollars. (He ended up winning 2500) By going to the GSL WC he was guaranteed 2,700 with the possibility of making 27,000. In this tourney you can win 350 for first place. From a purely monetary standpoint, the incentive he gets from this tournament are substantially less than any of the lucrative, invite only tournaments. He gets more money getting knocked out of the first round of IEM world championship than he does for winning this tournament.
If the good of the server as a whole is what Dox was aiming for as he basically stated in his post, then he should favor the unknowns. Especially since the small amount of lost incentive someone like Moonglade incurs is easily off set by the positives of providing financial stability to a less known player such as yourself, so that you can train and one day become sponsored on a major pro-team.
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On July 18 2011 19:39 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:16 iaguz wrote:On July 18 2011 19:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place. It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off. You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness. I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server. I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place. What? So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament? And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is. Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers. K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win... Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time. As the bloke who got second in this tournament to Glade, again (sigh), I can assure you that naruto is right fucking bang on with this. There'll be a next time Andy. Just by going to the IEM world championship, Moonglade was guaranteed 400 dollars. By winning he would've won 13,000 dollars. (He ended up winning 2500) By going to the GSL WC he was guaranteed 2,700 with the possibility of making 27,000. In this tourney you can win 350 for first place. From a purely monetary standpoint, the incentive he gets from this tournament are substantially less than any of the lucrative, invite only tournaments. He gets more money getting knocked out of the first round of IEM world championship than he does for winning this tournament. If the good of the server as a whole is what Dox was aiming for as he basically stated in his post, then he should favor the unknowns. Especially since the small amount of lost incentive someone like Moonglade incurs is easily off set by the positives of providing financial stability to a less known player such as yourself, so that you can train and one day become sponsored on a major pro-team.
That should be Moonglade's decision, not the tournament's.
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Whether the method would work or not is rather irrelevant. Whoever provides the money for the tournament is allowed to make whatever rules he or she wants.
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On July 18 2011 19:06 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.
If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him. About money: By sponsoring a tournament you're basically giving your money up to somebody over an internet game without any official rules or regulations. To the best of my knowledge this is outside the framework of the law, so it is absurd to compare it to real life crime, etc.
It's not about manners, this has to do with Major's credibility as a professional player. Sure, tournaments are "outside the framework of the law", but they all have their rules and regulations. It is never justified when a player chooses not to abide by those rules, especially after dealing with tournament admins.
"Sc2 is a game, not to be taken too seriously", an understandable standpoint. However, when real money is involved, its a whole new ball park.
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who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
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This whole mess is fucking pathetic. From Major resorting to that some of the comments in this thread. Why one of the better players in the world has to smurf in a low price tournament is beyond me.
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On July 18 2011 19:22 Atlas_550 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:16 iaguz wrote:On July 18 2011 19:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place. It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off. You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness. I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server. I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place. What? So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament? And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is. Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers. K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win... Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time. As the bloke who got second in this tournament to Glade, again (sigh), I can assure you that naruto is right fucking bang on with this. There'll be a next time Andy. This is right on. Even though Moonglade won the money, another player got close enough to taste it and wants more. Motivation. And those other players who might have pulled out a win or two against some of the semi-finalists might also think with more practice that they might be the ones in the semi-finals next time instead of the people that beat them. Motivation. It's a trickle down affect because all those players will try that much harder next time to get that much further even if Moonglade won the money because he was the best. It's kind of like ladder. You start gaining ranks.... And you just wanna keep going until eventually your in Grandmaster trying to gain points to be #1. Always looking for how to improve to get there. Motivation. I don't think people realize that's how you grow great players. By giving them motivation and giving them the chance to play against high level competition so that they can get a whiff of what they can become.
Motivation and wanting it more is great, but it can only get you so far. The players losing to Moonglade also have jobs. NO matter how hard they try, until they get sponsored by a team, they most likely won't have the financial backing to practice 24/7. This is one of the primary reasons why the NA and EU servers are falling behind the Korean server. You grow the scene by giving the people who are not already sponsored the opportunity to get some winnings, so that they have the opportunity to practice for longer hours and be burdened less by the financial aspect. For someone like Moonglade, SC2 is his job, thus its no wonder that he wins all these tourneys.
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On July 18 2011 19:37 Ansalem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:33 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 19:06 shadymmj wrote:On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.
If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him. c) Legally, you don't just let someone who's attempted to steal from you walk away scott free do you? Hence, there is the term "attempted". Lesser sentence, but still deserved. (Unless you're in the US of A, of course. Sorry US folks, it's true.) Wtf are you talking about? Random in the first place and second there are charges in the US for attempted crimes anyway.
Um - can we say OJ Simpson Together... Casey.... Anthony!
Yeah she did her time for negligence. I'm sure loads of people agree with you on that one.
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On July 18 2011 19:49 Carush wrote:
who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
Dude, you didn't get caught. lulz.
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On July 18 2011 19:49 Carush wrote:
who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
Cheating and fraud are reasonable grounds to care about. Worse things than those? What did you commit a felony while maphacking in a tournament while smoking and drinking in a non-smoking area?
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On July 18 2011 19:49 Carush wrote:
who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
I care that someone is willing to invest $500 into growing E-Sports in SEA only to find idiots who ruin the fun and enjoyment for others and especially the organiser who went through all this trouble.
Yes, I am aware this happens all the time. And no, you don't deserve your own thread. People like you ruin the fun out of tourneys,big and small.
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On July 18 2011 19:49 Carush wrote:
who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
It's this attitude that runs this community into the ground, if more people adopt this attitude where would we be?
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"you left your stream running when you asked SayfT for his account details"
lost it there, fucking hilarious
guy really wanted to win something, it seems
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On July 18 2011 19:51 ke_ivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:37 Ansalem wrote:On July 18 2011 19:33 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 19:06 shadymmj wrote:On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote:On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.
If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him. c) Legally, you don't just let someone who's attempted to steal from you walk away scott free do you? Hence, there is the term "attempted". Lesser sentence, but still deserved. (Unless you're in the US of A, of course. Sorry US folks, it's true.) Wtf are you talking about? Random in the first place and second there are charges in the US for attempted crimes anyway. Um - can we say OJ Simpson Together... Casey.... Anthony! Yeah she did her time for negligence. I'm sure loads of people agree with you on that one.
They were found not guilty in a court of law with a full jury. That is completely different so please just stop, it is offtopic anyway.
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While I agree that what he did was not of a high moral standard, I think many people in the thread that are taking this too far were just waiting for something like this to come up to trash him without adding anything else to the discussion. And ffs I'm sure Artosis knew about his previous behavior before he added him to sixjax.
And I'm sure this isn't the first instance of smurfing on foreign accounts to collect tourney winnings with little potential competition... To the people calling for blood, I'm pretty sure the fact that he was incompetent enough to be caught on stream, getting kicked from the tourney, and this thread are punishment enough, on top of anything his manager will add. But again, if Artosis wasn't such a public figure in the community I'm pretty sure half the people in this thread wouldn't be shitting on Sixjax's manager right now. If you disagree with me fine, it's my opinion.
The guy is a great player, and I'll continue to watch his stream if nobody else I enjoy is streaming...and I really wish PvP was more enjoyable for me to watch ><
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On July 18 2011 19:44 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 19:39 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 19:16 iaguz wrote:On July 18 2011 19:06 mTw|NarutO wrote:On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place. It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off. You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness. I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server. I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place. What? So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament? And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is. Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers. K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win... Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time. As the bloke who got second in this tournament to Glade, again (sigh), I can assure you that naruto is right fucking bang on with this. There'll be a next time Andy. Just by going to the IEM world championship, Moonglade was guaranteed 400 dollars. By winning he would've won 13,000 dollars. (He ended up winning 2500) By going to the GSL WC he was guaranteed 2,700 with the possibility of making 27,000. In this tourney you can win 350 for first place. From a purely monetary standpoint, the incentive he gets from this tournament are substantially less than any of the lucrative, invite only tournaments. He gets more money getting knocked out of the first round of IEM world championship than he does for winning this tournament. If the good of the server as a whole is what Dox was aiming for as he basically stated in his post, then he should favor the unknowns. Especially since the small amount of lost incentive someone like Moonglade incurs is easily off set by the positives of providing financial stability to a less known player such as yourself, so that you can train and one day become sponsored on a major pro-team. That should be Moonglade's decision, not the tournament's.
No, if Dox wants whats good for the server as a whole, then it should be the tournament's decision to exclude him.
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On July 18 2011 19:49 Carush wrote:
who honestly cares?
sheesh, some of you guys really need some thicker skin, this happens ALL the time, but just cuz Major did it there's a thread with 38 posts.....
hell, I've done shit in tourneys even worse then this, where's my thread?
No one cares what you did.
But that's kind of the point, This is a big deal because he is a big member in the SC2 Esports scene.
If even a professional player who is on a progaming sponsored team, is cheating then what does that say about the integrity of Esports?
There are alot of people fighting tooth and nail to get Esports recognised and accepted, but it's things like this that lessen that struggle.
By no means, is this "killing Esports" but in no way is it helping it grow either.
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