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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.

Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
July 18 2011 09:53 GMT
#701
Wow, I thought he had changed, really.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
July 18 2011 09:53 GMT
#702
On July 18 2011 18:47 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:42 Medrea wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:40 wats0n wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:39 TBO wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:38 wats0n wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:34 JiYan wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:25 wats0n wrote:
Why do people keep using the word "cheat?" Is it an English as a second language thing? Cheat means something specific in gaming. What he did was smurf not cheat. He's a dick not a cheater. I get that the community wants to make him pay for his actions but don't make him out to be a cheater. That's not cool.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheat
5.to violate rules or regulations


Yeah guy, I know the dictionary definition of the word cheat. But you don't use it against a professional gamer unless for a specific DIFFERENT sense. It has a reserved use in this business. And it's bullshit to bring it out in this case when somebody isn't cheating.

If people want to say, "He cheated people out of money," that's different than sheepishly throwing out, "He's a cheater." That shit isn't cool.


you say that cheat has a specific context in "games/gaming" however what he did is not related to "games/gaming" but to a competition. He cheated outside the game so why would you need to use the gaming definition of cheat.


He's a professional gamer. You call him a "cheater" for a very specific reason. Don't be intentionally obtuse. Everyone posting on TL should know this (at least I hope so).


He quite literally cheated. No abstract form of the word is being employed here.


Hey guy, did you even read all the posts? I just said dictionary definition isn't gospel here. "Cheater" has a specific implication and people are intentionally using it here to shit on the guy's name. I get that guys want to punish him but that's not cool to use the word "cheater."

I came into the last page of this thread and read like half a dozen posts saying that he cheated in a tournament and I legitimately thought he was hacking. You don't put that stigma on people and let it spread beyond this thread unless it's true.

It's pretty damn easy to say that he "smurfed." Learn the correct terminology people. It's simple.


I don't see how him smurfing is that different from him cheating.

As a player you look at your opponent before you play them and see their ranking.

So you get a general Idea of their skill level and how they will play.

Don't you think it's cheating, that a player would of prepared for this match. Expecting a lower league player but gets a totally higher level of play.

When you smurf, you are deceiving your opponent about the level of play that you are capable of. To me that is cheating. :/
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 18 2011 09:54 GMT
#703
On July 18 2011 18:51 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:50 Medrea wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:47 wats0n wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:42 Medrea wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:40 wats0n wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:39 TBO wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:38 wats0n wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:34 JiYan wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:25 wats0n wrote:
Why do people keep using the word "cheat?" Is it an English as a second language thing? Cheat means something specific in gaming. What he did was smurf not cheat. He's a dick not a cheater. I get that the community wants to make him pay for his actions but don't make him out to be a cheater. That's not cool.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheat
5.to violate rules or regulations


Yeah guy, I know the dictionary definition of the word cheat. But you don't use it against a professional gamer unless for a specific DIFFERENT sense. It has a reserved use in this business. And it's bullshit to bring it out in this case when somebody isn't cheating.

If people want to say, "He cheated people out of money," that's different than sheepishly throwing out, "He's a cheater." That shit isn't cool.


you say that cheat has a specific context in "games/gaming" however what he did is not related to "games/gaming" but to a competition. He cheated outside the game so why would you need to use the gaming definition of cheat.


He's a professional gamer. You call him a "cheater" for a very specific reason. Don't be intentionally obtuse. Everyone posting on TL should know this (at least I hope so).


He quite literally cheated. No abstract form of the word is being employed here.


Hey guy, did you even read all the posts? I just said dictionary definition isn't gospel here. "Cheater" has a specific implication and people are intentionally using it here to shit on the guy's name. I get that guys want to punish him but that's not cool to use the word "cheater."

I came into the last page of this thread and read like half a dozen posts saying that he cheated in a tournament and I legitimately thought he was hacking. You don't put that stigma on people and let it spread beyond this thread unless it's true.

It's pretty damn easy to say that he "smurfed." Learn the correct terminology people. It's simple.


I have no idea what you are arguing about. Playing in a league you were told "No" is cheating.


You cheated your country's education system so you're a cheater as well.

The sc2 SEA guys have already admitted they're just trying to publicly shame him. I'll bow out of this dog and pony show before I get myself in trouble. Continue with the lynching.


Please stop. Don't attack me especially with some fairly high profile TL users right here. I am sorry if I upset you and that is my fault.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
July 18 2011 09:55 GMT
#704
On July 18 2011 18:48 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


All the more reason to create consequences such as public awareness/shaming to discourage bad behaviour and unprofessionalism in addition to making organisations think twice about associating with it.


That's entirely up to the organisation and how they want to spend their cash. It's just a game and no one is obligated to be "professional" in his conduct unless the paymasters say otherwise. There are millions of BMed players on BNet, including me, but this entire thread is dedicated to a single person just because he's a bit more well known. I think that's wrong.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
July 18 2011 09:56 GMT
#705
On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place.


It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off.


You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness.

I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server.

I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place.


What?

So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament?

And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is.

Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers.


K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.

Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.
Bombmk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark95 Posts
July 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#706
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right?

Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people.

The pitchforks are warranted in this case.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
July 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#707
Just when I wondered why I hadnt heard of him doing something dumb lately...

I haven't read all of the thread, but are some people really trying to defend him... ? I can't understand that.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 18 2011 09:58 GMT
#708
On July 18 2011 18:52 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8719722

On April 10 2011 15:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
hope you're right about this, at which point do teams start to care about past behavior vs skill?


On July 18 2011 18:40 wats0n wrote:
He's a professional gamer. You call him a "cheater" for a very specific reason. Don't be intentionally obtuse. Everyone posting on TL should know this (at least I hope so).

I genuinely have no idea what you are arguing about. This is cheating at its finest.


Shouldn't he be punished harshly?


He's already being punished, by the tournament and this thread. If this continues, community pressure will lead to further actions against him.
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EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 10:00:21
July 18 2011 09:58 GMT
#709
On July 18 2011 18:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:47 wats0n wrote:
Hey guy, did you even read all the posts? I just said dictionary definition isn't gospel here. "Cheater" has a specific implication and people are intentionally using it here to shit on the guy's name. I get that guys want to punish him but that's not cool to use the word "cheater."

I came into the last page of this thread and read like half a dozen posts saying that he cheated in a tournament and I legitimately thought he was hacking. You don't put that stigma on people and let it spread beyond this thread unless it's true.

It's pretty damn easy to say that he "smurfed." Learn the correct terminology people. It's simple.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108352

These guys did not maphack, but they did cheat. It seems that you just have an issue with mistaking the word cheating with maphacking. That's your problem stop arguing about it.

Smurfing implies something that is totally fine under plenty of conditions. There is nothing inherently wrong with smurfing, but there is something wrong with smurfing in a tournament. That is when smurfing becomes cheating.

Anyway, let it go.

Agreed, this isn't such a hard topic to grasp. I don't know why there is so much debate going on in this thread.

Tournament set rules, player attempts to circumvent rule by smurfing as someone else. This is cheating because he is attempting to circumvent a rule that is universal for the entire tournament. Rules apply to all participants in the tournament. Any attempt to circumvent a tourney rule is the definition of cheating. There are no exceptions.

Did I word that simply enough for you silly neigh sayers? Or are you gonna keep arguing that putting spikes down in wacky races is not cheating?
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
July 18 2011 09:59 GMT
#710
Bad PR for sixjax. Impossible to defend this kind of behaviour
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
July 18 2011 09:59 GMT
#711
On July 18 2011 18:57 Bombmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right?

Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people.

The pitchforks are warranted in this case.


Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#712
On July 18 2011 18:58 Novalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:52 ReachTheSky wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:43 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8719722

On April 10 2011 15:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
hope you're right about this, at which point do teams start to care about past behavior vs skill?


On July 18 2011 18:40 wats0n wrote:
He's a professional gamer. You call him a "cheater" for a very specific reason. Don't be intentionally obtuse. Everyone posting on TL should know this (at least I hope so).

I genuinely have no idea what you are arguing about. This is cheating at its finest.


Shouldn't he be punished harshly?


He's already being punished, by the tournament and this thread. If this continues, community pressure will lead to further actions against him.


Saying HI in the this thread and then not following up with it doesn;t really endear himself to anyone either.
twitch.tv/medrea
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#713
I'm not a fan, I don't see 'macro games' from him. He BM's quite a bit too.
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JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 18 2011 10:00 GMT
#714
On July 18 2011 18:52 ReachTheSky wrote:
Shouldn't he be punished harshly?

following the TSL cheating incident a few other community sites / leagues also took action and banned them from their competitions and it was a subject of a lot of discussion. From what i recall it was the general consensus that it was simply encouraged for a community group to take action, but definitely not bashed for not taking action.

In such a situation I could see the same thing being done by tournament organizers as a way to show that yes, cheaters will be punished and cheating is discouraged. but i also would feel uneasy about the situation if lets say juan was banned from all tournaments and he could never compete professionally anymore due to this incident. i think there are fine examples in the community of 'rehabilitation' or maybe examples of 'reformed' players. i think juan deserves that ability to walk but to walk on a leash.

i personally hope something is done to show juan that its not just "oh well i cant play in that one tournament anymore whatever." i feel like some more should be done, but in all honestly i hope that he changes his approach for the better and becomes a real Starcraft 2 professional. In this way, im rooting for you juan.
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
July 18 2011 10:01 GMT
#715
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view...

...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught.

So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis.
divinesage
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore649 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#716
On July 18 2011 18:59 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:57 Bombmk wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right?

Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people.

The pitchforks are warranted in this case.


Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws.


Dox is taking money out of his own pocket to fund this tournament. It is real life.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
July 18 2011 10:03 GMT
#717
On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place.


It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off.

t-gun isn't the best example of that to SEA's... he's struggling to make it into top 16 on SEA ladder despite playing enough to have 0 bonus pool there.

This isn't a go at tgun, it just more annoys me that everyone outside of SEA thinks everyone from this area sucks bar like 2 players when in reality some of the 'big names' people associate with from SEA aren't nearly as dominant here as you might think.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 18 2011 10:06 GMT
#718
On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:29 BackSideAttack wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:06 BackSideAttack wrote:
If the true purpose of this tournament was to grow the Sea Server scene...then why would you allow T-gun, who's going through Koreans training, to play. I understand that your trying to grow the scene, but inviting a sea player with Korean training is no diff than allowing major to play. In the end your exposing the scene to competition that you were trying to avoid in the first place.


It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off.


You don't need to invite T-gun to show people that hard work pays off. Especially considering that T-gun's success is not attributed to practice on the Sea server. Matter of fact it would be detrimental to the scene because it exposes people to the Sea server's lack of competitiveness.

I agree that in the beginning, the intent was to boost the Sea server scene. Your trying to inject some funds and motivation to accelerate the growth of the server's players. All of the criteria for entry lead me to believe this (Sea account, and native citizenship). However, it was the lack of foresight that led to their decision to become discriminatory. They most likely did not anticipate someone of T-gun's caliber participating. But, because he met all of the criteria set in motion, they "technically" have to let him through. If T-gun wins the money, this in no way helps the scene grow. He's someone who is already set. If you really wanted the scene to grow you would cater to the unknowns, not someone who has already established themselves beyond the skill of the server.

I guess major probably shouldn't have smurfed. That was his bad. But the tournament is also in the wrong for incriminating him further by offering a stopgap excuse for why he isn't allowed to play and what they are trying to do. If your going to condemn him for breaking the rules, then you have every right to do so. But you need to admit your lack of foresight caused this scenario in the first place.


What?

So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament?

And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is.

Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers.


K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene.

Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive.


What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win...

Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 10:10:15
July 18 2011 10:06 GMT
#719
On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view...

...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught.

So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis.


Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him.

About money: By sponsoring a tournament you're basically giving your money up to somebody over an internet game without any official rules or regulations. To the best of my knowledge this is outside the framework of the law, so it is absurd to compare it to real life crime, etc.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Telcontar
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On July 18 2011 18:59 shadymmj wrote:
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On July 18 2011 18:57 Bombmk wrote:
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow.

If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not?


Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right?

Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people.

The pitchforks are warranted in this case.


Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws.

I think he's talking more about the morality and principals rather than the laws that uphold them.
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