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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway. Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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HitMonkie
Australia518 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:47 wats0n wrote: Hey guy, did you even read all the posts? I just said dictionary definition isn't gospel here. "Cheater" has a specific implication and people are intentionally using it here to shit on the guy's name. I get that guys want to punish him but that's not cool to use the word "cheater." I came into the last page of this thread and read like half a dozen posts saying that he cheated in a tournament and I legitimately thought he was hacking. You don't put that stigma on people and let it spread beyond this thread unless it's true. It's pretty damn easy to say that he "smurfed." Learn the correct terminology people. It's simple. I don't see how him smurfing is that different from him cheating. As a player you look at your opponent before you play them and see their ranking. So you get a general Idea of their skill level and how they will play. Don't you think it's cheating, that a player would of prepared for this match. Expecting a lower league player but gets a totally higher level of play. When you smurf, you are deceiving your opponent about the level of play that you are capable of. To me that is cheating. :/ | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:51 wats0n wrote: You cheated your country's education system so you're a cheater as well. The sc2 SEA guys have already admitted they're just trying to publicly shame him. I'll bow out of this dog and pony show before I get myself in trouble. Continue with the lynching. Please stop. Don't attack me especially with some fairly high profile TL users right here. I am sorry if I upset you and that is my fault. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:48 pachi wrote: All the more reason to create consequences such as public awareness/shaming to discourage bad behaviour and unprofessionalism in addition to making organisations think twice about associating with it. That's entirely up to the organisation and how they want to spend their cash. It's just a game and no one is obligated to be "professional" in his conduct unless the paymasters say otherwise. There are millions of BMed players on BNet, including me, but this entire thread is dedicated to a single person just because he's a bit more well known. I think that's wrong. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:40 HitMonkie wrote: What? So they should of had the "Foresight" to know that major was gonna cheat to play in the tournament? And Tgun inclusion in no way harms to level of play in the Tourney, there are players in SEA that are just as skilled as Tgun if not better. and most of them are not "SET" as you put it, like he is. Please don't post ignorant statements on what you think the level SEA is. There are good players on the server, just without the funds to go fulltime Progamers. K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote: People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow. If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right? Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people. The pitchforks are warranted in this case. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
I haven't read all of the thread, but are some people really trying to defend him... ? I can't understand that. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
He's already being punished, by the tournament and this thread. If this continues, community pressure will lead to further actions against him. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108352 These guys did not maphack, but they did cheat. It seems that you just have an issue with mistaking the word cheating with maphacking. That's your problem stop arguing about it. Smurfing implies something that is totally fine under plenty of conditions. There is nothing inherently wrong with smurfing, but there is something wrong with smurfing in a tournament. That is when smurfing becomes cheating. Anyway, let it go. Agreed, this isn't such a hard topic to grasp. I don't know why there is so much debate going on in this thread. Tournament set rules, player attempts to circumvent rule by smurfing as someone else. This is cheating because he is attempting to circumvent a rule that is universal for the entire tournament. Rules apply to all participants in the tournament. Any attempt to circumvent a tourney rule is the definition of cheating. There are no exceptions. Did I word that simply enough for you silly neigh sayers? Or are you gonna keep arguing that putting spikes down in wacky races is not cheating? | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:57 Bombmk wrote: Yeah. Just like in life, you know. We have murderers, rapists and thieves in life. Live with it. No one is obligated to not harm their fellow citizens. Right? Thank god for the sense of community in the majority of people. The pitchforks are warranted in this case. Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:58 Novalisk wrote: He's already being punished, by the tournament and this thread. If this continues, community pressure will lead to further actions against him. Saying HI in the this thread and then not following up with it doesn;t really endear himself to anyone either. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:52 ReachTheSky wrote: Shouldn't he be punished harshly? following the TSL cheating incident a few other community sites / leagues also took action and banned them from their competitions and it was a subject of a lot of discussion. From what i recall it was the general consensus that it was simply encouraged for a community group to take action, but definitely not bashed for not taking action. In such a situation I could see the same thing being done by tournament organizers as a way to show that yes, cheaters will be punished and cheating is discouraged. but i also would feel uneasy about the situation if lets say juan was banned from all tournaments and he could never compete professionally anymore due to this incident. i think there are fine examples in the community of 'rehabilitation' or maybe examples of 'reformed' players. i think juan deserves that ability to walk but to walk on a leash. i personally hope something is done to show juan that its not just "oh well i cant play in that one tournament anymore whatever." i feel like some more should be done, but in all honestly i hope that he changes his approach for the better and becomes a real Starcraft 2 professional. In this way, im rooting for you juan. | ||
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ke_ivan
Singapore374 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:44 shadymmj wrote: People here are like a lynch mob brandishing their pitchforks of good morality. Sure, the guy is a douche, we all know that, but it's a free country. I don't take anything else too seriously other than the game. Starcraft 2 is a game, and there are dicks and griefers in every game. Live with it. No one is obligated to help a scene grow. If I were as good as him, could possibly smurf, get away with it and split the cash, then why the hell not? Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. | ||
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 shadymmj wrote: Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws. Dox is taking money out of his own pocket to fund this tournament. It is real life. | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:09 Novalisk wrote: It's also important to show that working hard to improve your play as an SEA player pays off. t-gun isn't the best example of that to SEA's... he's struggling to make it into top 16 on SEA ladder despite playing enough to have 0 bonus pool there. This isn't a go at tgun, it just more annoys me that everyone outside of SEA thinks everyone from this area sucks bar like 2 players when in reality some of the 'big names' people associate with from SEA aren't nearly as dominant here as you might think. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:56 BackSideAttack wrote: K let me give you another example. With the stated criteria they would've had to admit Moonglade as well, if he wanted to play. Moonglade is probably the best player to come out of the Sea server, and he too is set just like T-gun. Having someone like Moonglade take the money does nothing to benefit the server. The only way to grow the scene is to inject the money into the hidden gems, helping them become financially stable enough to become a progamer. Giving the prize money to someone like Moonglade, who is already financially stable would not help the scene. Dox should've had the foresight to make more restricting criteria, so that players like T-gun and Moonglade couldn't have joined if they wanted to. If he wanted to host a tournament with just sea players then thats absolutely fine. But to say that the point was to inject funds in order to better the server, then allowing people like t-gun and moonglade to play would be counterproductive. What you are saying makes no sense. Where is the motivation to practice and be as good as T-Gun or mOOnglaDe when you then may not participate in those tournaments to make some money? If they are the best on the SEA server thats how it is and they will win... Money is motivation for others to train to become AS good so they can actually compete for the money next time. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:01 ke_ivan wrote: Dood, even from a completely ethic-less point of view... ...he got caught through some intellectually-challenged actions. If I were to be incredibly ethically-indisposed myself, I can forgive something like cheating. But I wouldn't be able to forgive something like getting caught. So you're applauding him for being stupid? huh? Either way, ethically or otherwise, his actions were still dumb. He deserves to get a spanking from coach 'tosis. Time to improve your reading comprehension. Show me where I insinuated that what he did should be applauded. I just said that what he did could be justified if he didn't give two fucks about what people think of him as a player. If someone doesn't care about manner and all that nonsense, then grant him his personal space. I'm not asking you to respect him, but I'm asking you not to lynch him. About money: By sponsoring a tournament you're basically giving your money up to somebody over an internet game without any official rules or regulations. To the best of my knowledge this is outside the framework of the law, so it is absurd to compare it to real life crime, etc. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 18 2011 18:59 shadymmj wrote: Seems like someone is having a very difficult time distinguishing between an internet game and real life laws. I think he's talking more about the morality and principals rather than the laws that uphold them. | ||
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