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naventus
United States1338 Posts
1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable. 2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd. | ||
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
On June 24 2011 10:13 naventus wrote: The pricing is ridiculous considering 1) Their tech isn't that good. The quality of the streams is acceptable, but nothing I would pay money for. Most commercial streaming services offer 720P+. See vudu, netflix, hell even HD cable. 2) They show fucking ads. If we are paying you money already, why are you trying to make an extra buck with ads? Absurd. 1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price. 2) They have to pay their sponsors too you know.. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On June 24 2011 10:58 iinsom wrote: 1) Feel free to provide a better stream for the amount of content they are, for a cheaper price. 2) They have to pay their sponsors too you know.. 1) We don't have to. Many tournaments already have and for free (Dreamhack, MLG, IPL). Even with the VODs, I don't get clear 720p. Pic Quality Comparison (May contain spoilers!!!) Dreamhack + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GomE1.png) (Ignore the Press ESC crap. Too lazy to redo.) GOMTV + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WO4yZ.png) I wonder which one looks better. I'm not trying to bad mouth GOM or say their pic quality is terrible, but it's definitely not on par with a tournament that was free to watch. 2. Uh, what? Sponsors pay them, brohan. | ||
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
On June 17 2011 19:31 TheAmazombie wrote: Yeah, this seems a bit high, especially with ads. NASL was only 25 bucks for the entire season, 5 days a week, no commercials. NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable. I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL. | ||
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kikimama
Korea (South)297 Posts
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
On June 24 2011 12:28 Joementum wrote: 1) We don't have to. Many tournaments already have and for free (Dreamhack, MLG, IPL). Even with the VODs, I don't get clear 720p. Pic Quality Comparison (May contain spoilers!!!) Dreamhack + Show Spoiler + (Ignore the Press ESC crap. Too lazy to redo.) GOMTV + Show Spoiler + I wonder which one looks better... (Not trying to bad mouth GOM or say their pic quality is terrible, but it's definitely not on par with a tournament that was free to watch. 2. Uh, what? Sponsors pay them, brohan. 1) Ok, then if other tournaments are doing it, go watch them? Dont crap on GOMtv because they choose to price their tournament and VODs at a reasonable price for what they provide. 2) I didnt word that too well. I meant that the sponsors pay/give items/whatever they do too keep their side of the bargain, so GOMtv has to do the same. Give more air time to their sponsors = paying their half of the deal. I did however word #2 horribly  | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On June 24 2011 12:53 iinsom wrote: 1) Ok, then if other tournaments are doing it, go watch them? Dont crap on GOMtv because they choose to price their tournament and VODs at a reasonable price for what they provide. 2) I didnt word that too well. I meant that the sponsors pay/give items/whatever they do too keep their side of the bargain, so GOMtv has to do the same. Give more air time to their sponsors = paying their half of the deal. I did however word #2 horribly 1. My intent was not to crap on GOMTV. They are great. My intent was to show you that there are other tournaments with better production out there for free. That's it. 2. It still doesn't make sense. We pay $25 and still get ads. Generally, you pay for a ticket to get rid of ads. With GOM, we pay for SC2, and get annoying ads played before every single VOD as well as those stupid popup ads that keep coming up even if you close them out. It makes no sense. It should either be a free service w/ ads thrown in or a paid service w/ no ads. Just my 2 cents. (Suggestion: Low quality vods w/ ads for free. That sounds awesome to me) I think me not buying the tickets boils down to not being excited about watching Koreans play again. Their games have, in my opinion, grown increasingly boring. It feels like almost every game is a BO created just to kill your opponent within the first 10 minutes of the game and if it doesn't work, then you're fucked. Very, very rarely, do we get a game that's back and forth and exciting. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 24 2011 12:35 bruteMax wrote: NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable. I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL. you sir are incorrect. They are not casting replays it is live, just not live when we see it. Think of it as recording it like on tv then watching it later. But the games were all played live just like the show was live but not on when you watch it on DVR. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
1. DRG 2. FXO tonight YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH! | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
On June 24 2011 13:16 snafoo wrote: $25 really isn't much, unless you're 12 I guess... I have to think that half the people in this thread complaining must make their own soap aswell. :| Or: -They feel it's not worth it. -They're adults and have other responsibilities such as a mortgage, car payment, etc... -They won't have the time to watch most of the games/VODs, so they won't be paying for it. -They're tired of buying tickets/passes to watch these tournaments when there are other great tournaments being put on for free. -They can't afford it. There are many reasons. Stop being so narrow minded. Insulting people doesn't get you anywhere. | ||
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boyle
United States134 Posts
just picked up a 30 dollar tee shirt. take my money e sports. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On June 24 2011 13:25 Joementum wrote: Or: -They feel it's not worth it. -They're adults and have other responsibilities such as a mortgage, car payment, etc... -They won't have the time to watch most of the games/VODs, so they won't be paying for it. -They're tired of buying tickets/passes to watch these tournaments when there are other great tournaments being put on for free. -They can't afford it. There are many reasons. Stop being so narrow minded. Insulting people doesn't get you anywhere. I'm not intending to insult people, but seriously, it's just not much money... most people probably spend more on useless stuff anyway. People are making it out as if it's robbery when you're paying next to nothing for 3 months of entertainment.It's kind of ridiculous. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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SockArms
United States591 Posts
 but I really want to time to make a very hard choice | ||
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
$25 is a price i don't mind paying and hopefully someday we'll have enough people watching GSL that it's 100% free. | ||
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David451
United States491 Posts
On June 23 2011 10:10 Joementum wrote: All I read in this post was a bunch of bitching and calling people cheap. Grow the fuck up. Pot, meet kettle. Maybe people don't like being bombarded with so many tickets to buy at once? You ever think of that? Oh, that's right. You didn't because you were too busy acting like an immature asshole by calling people cheap. Pot... meet kettle. I would much rather pay $10 a month instead of having to shell out $35 right now for both the individual league and team league. Why? Because it keeps my fucking SC2 budget under control. There's also hundreds of hours of free content out there and paying for this just seems to be so pointless now. It's smarter to purchase things on value, not on up-front price. If you can't do this, you really should reevaluate your approach to money. Not only that, but 95% of the games in the Championship league or w/e the hell it was called were a damn snooze-fest. Korean players are becoming increasingly more and more boring to watch. All they are doing now is figuring out clever build orders to win and that's it. The Polt vs MMA finals is a great example of clever BOs, but the games were so damn boring with the exception of one of them. If you find one player building unit X, Y, Z & A-moving at the 7 minute mark with them "exciting," then holy hell do I wish you have some sort of exciting life outside Starcraft. If you want show-games like the WWF, then the GSL probably isn't your cup of tea. Artosis and Grubby in the NASL have put on some epic and entertaining matches. Edit - I'm also sick and tired of tournaments that run over 1 month. I've stopped following them completely. It's just becoming way too tiresome and boring to keep up with everything, let alone a tournament that lasts more than a month. Sounds like your beef isn't with the money. Not sure why you opened this thread in the first place. | ||
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David451
United States491 Posts
On June 24 2011 12:35 bruteMax wrote: NASL are a couple of casters, one of them usually extremely lame, casting to a replay. Not at all comparable. I do agree that $40 is a bit much, but don't compare live events to the likes of NASL/IPL/TSL. I hate piling on the NASL, but I agree. I bought a ticket for the NASL and have probably only watched a quarter of the games. There's more to Starcraft 2 than stream quality. | ||
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
On June 24 2011 14:10 David451 wrote: I hate piling on the NASL, but I agree. I bought a ticket for the NASL and have probably only watched a quarter of the games. There's more to Starcraft 2 than stream quality. yeah, i also bought a NASL pass to support it but ended up watching maybe 15 or so matchups. definitely worth what i paid for it, but i feel like i'm just much more entertained watching GSL, especially the team leagues. | ||
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