Delay does not ruin the experience of "interacting" with the fans, unless you're inexplicably reading chat while playing (good luck concentrating in that case). You can add a 45 sec - 1 minute delay and be dealing with the fans, almost in real time and that is fine.

TrickyGilligan

United States641 Posts

June 12 2011 11:17 GMT

#63

On June 12 2011 20:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Is stream sniping the same as stream watching? Some people seem to use the words interchangeably and others use them distinctly . . .

Stream sniping is queuing up in order to get matched vs a certain opponent.

Stream watching is when after you snipe, you watch their stream on your 2nd monitor so you know exactly what they're doing.

Most people are ok with stream sniping, but the temptation to then watch is pretty strong, since all you have to do at that point is leave the stream open.

Benjef

United Kingdom6921 Posts

June 12 2011 11:20 GMT

#64

Stream sniping provides the lulz. But what you suggested is dumb and people would use it get loads of ladder points. IE block people who are better than you. Its better just to incorporate a system that stops you continually being matched up against the same person in a certain time frame.
IE you can only play the person once an hour via the ladder system or once every 5 games.

Baum

Germany1010 Posts

June 12 2011 11:21 GMT

#65

The best way would be to implement optional cool downs. So people can decide if they want to be able to play the same person more than once in a row. At lower levels it doesn't happen very often that you are getting a rematch and I think a lot of players are enjoying those quite a bit since it makes ladder play a lot more interesting. It would be sad if Blizzard would completely get rid of rematches just because of trolls like Deezer.

LOLingBuddha

Netherlands697 Posts

June 12 2011 11:24 GMT

#66

i dont think this is necessary at all, and i think iNcontrol handled it nicely, blanking out the screen at the time of finding a match, and when he forgot just blank the screen first couple minutes of the game.

everytime he did either, he didnt get matched against Deezer. or he just rolled him. it was hilarious to se Deezer go "LOL my blink stalker against your robo, you cant win, GG" and fkn lose. or "HAHA stargate against robo i win" then fkn lose again. priceless.

ElusoryX

Singapore2047 Posts

June 12 2011 11:26 GMT

#67

i'd like the idea of a cooldown instead of perma blocking lol. it makes much much more sense...

Zeyro

Germany16 Posts

June 12 2011 11:33 GMT

#68

On June 12 2011 16:21 Teim wrote:
Think of the poor cheesers who will never find another game when everyone blocks them!

indeed a pro for that idea

if i remember my last 12 games... just one of them passed the 8 minute mark x.x every single game was an all-in or cheese <.<

Qwix

531 Posts

June 12 2011 11:34 GMT

#69

On June 12 2011 16:00 XenocideFTW wrote:
Well, how could Blizzard prevent people from just blocking people that are better than them?

Nails it in the first comment

I do believe delay is the quickest answer to it, interaction with the viewers can still be done over chat if needed and honestly this problem is only affecting a certain playerbase. Why would Blizzard change their complete system because some players share there screen while playing? (not trying to BM here just pointing out this problem only affecting a few people of their millions of customers)

Jackle

Canada859 Posts

June 12 2011 11:36 GMT

#70

Can't you put something else on screen and mute sound while you queue or put on commercials.

Belha

Italy2850 Posts

June 12 2011 11:38 GMT

#71

Who cares, that is a problem for streamers, not a problem of the game. There are so many things to rework, and an issue for the streamers is the last one on my personal list.

Dominico

Canada678 Posts

June 12 2011 11:40 GMT

#72

edit: dfjsdjf nvm didnt read the the suggestions

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 12 2011 11:45 GMT

#73

That idea is not good for competition. Second guy's idea isn't bad. I wouldn't mind playing 5 games before running into them again.

reneg

United States859 Posts

June 12 2011 12:03 GMT

#74

On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote:

Show nested quote +

If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process.

Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win.

That seems really unusual. I didn't know that abt the Czech Republic. over here, that's called trespassing, and it's definitely illegal. If someone has signs posted, you can't even walk on their land, let alone into their house (breaking and entering in america. Breaking is if you open any door, and Entering is literally if you enter the house / property).

Anyway, OT: if the guy was stream sniping, i see nothing wrong with it. If he was cheating and looking at a second monitor, that's really really sad, and if there's a way we can verify, we should punish it in any way possible.

But it's unfortunately one of the ugly side effects of laddering, and a risk that i'm glad many pros are willing to take

Vulcano

United States147 Posts

June 12 2011 12:14 GMT

#75

On June 12 2011 16:21 Teim wrote:
Think of the poor cheesers who will never find another game when everyone blocks them!

lol i like raking up wins from failed cheese, those ppl at least know what they were trying to do, personally i block the obviously brand newby bronze-silv who ruin the game for either party by not knowing how to play yet.

adding a delay to the stream which would make it not a stream at all, would in fact correct this problem 100% . Make it to where the broadcast goes out immediately upon game ending.

Akta

447 Posts

June 12 2011 12:38 GMT

#76

It "can" be avoided kind of, by not letting the stream see when you search.

-_-Quails

Australia796 Posts

June 12 2011 13:20 GMT

#77

If Blizzard were to allow people to block certain players from being matched against you, then having a cap of ~5 blocked at a time should allow say EGIdrA to block Combat-Ex but wouldn't allow people to stop themselves from being matched against good players.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

June 12 2011 13:22 GMT

#78

You can delay your stream artificially, hell League of Legends tournaments are ''live'' but not quite (they are ''delayed'' by about half an hour), so that stream watching does jack shit.

29 fps

United States5725 Posts

June 12 2011 13:29 GMT

#79

is "stream sniping" the act of hitting the "find player" button at the same time the person on the stream does? if that's the case, there's a chance that someone somewhere else does the same thing and the sniper won't necessarily play against his target.

i think that if wc3 had an hour delay for players who just played each other (not sure; just from what i read here), then bnet 0.2 can definitely implement this as well.