EPTStream Sniping - Page 3
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Artifice
United States523 Posts
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Anomandaris
Afghanistan440 Posts
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Drayne
Canada239 Posts
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Ruscour
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 12 2011 18:57 Anomandaris wrote: guys - its only ladder. One of the wisest things in this thread. I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful! Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous. Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway. edit: typos | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:02 opisska wrote: One of the wisest things in this thread. I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful! Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous. Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway. edit: typos Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing. It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote: Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:48 Geiko wrote: Guys, let's not derail the thread here, this is about stream sniping not stream cheating. I've done it, everyone's done it, and I'm sure most players turn off the stream once the game starts. While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped. You're using the wrong example then. The reason why Incontrol was forced to black his screen was because Deezer was constantly stream cheating. That is why Deezer is in Grandmasters in the first place. All he does is stream snipe people and watch their stream on his second monitor while he plays. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote: Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point. If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process. Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win. | ||
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SlipperySnake
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:50 Okiesmokie wrote: You're using the wrong example then. The reason why Incontrol was forced to black his screen was because Deezer was constantly stream cheating. That is why Deezer is in Grandmasters in the first place. All he does is stream snipe people and watch their stream on his second monitor while he plays. Like I said, if incontrol thinks he is being cheated, he can just take 2 minutes to talk to his fans while having a still image on his screen, and press the search button at a random time. I don't really see how this is a problem. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:53 Geiko wrote: Like I said, if incontrol thinks he is being cheated, he can just take 2 minutes to talk to his fans while having a still image on his screen, and press the search button at a random time. I don't really see how this is a problem. He does. And sometimes Deezer still manages to snipe him by guessing. That is why Incontrol has to turn his screen black during the match. On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote: If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process. Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Just because they know about the possibility doesn't mean it should be treated as the norm. You know there is always a possibility of someone breaking into your house and stealing all your stuff, so by your analogy that should be legal because you are aware of it? On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote:Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone is "blind" countering everything you do because they can see every move you make 100% of the time, it doesn't matter how good you are. If you mention the "day9 shared vision lurker story", then you have no clue what you are talking about. There is a big difference between playing someone you are leagues ahead of and someone who is equal skill to you. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:35 Okiesmokie wrote: The easiest way to solve this issue would just be for Justin.tv to implement full stream banning instead of just banning from chat. Make an option that requires you to log in to view the stream, and ban people who are stream sniping you. An IP banning functionality would be better, so that people couldn't just make new accounts. (If they're trying to use a proxy to circumvent the IP banning, then their stream will probably be delayed far enough that it wouldn't be effective anyway) Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing. It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout. As a player, you have no control over if someone is using maphacks or not. Therefore, it's up to Blizzard to control that kind of thing since you are powerless to keep the game fair. With streaming, you are choosing to broadcast what you're doing in real time. If your ladder rank is that big of a deal to you, you can simply not stream. Problem solved. On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote: Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point. I don't think anyone is defending stream watching, but you're clearly opening yourself up to getting cheated simply by streaming. The car analogy is bad though, since stealing a car is always illegal. Map hacks will get you banned by Blizzard, while watching someone's stream has zero chance of any consequences other than forum posts and harsh language. A better analogy would be stealing $100 out of someone's wallet, vs finding it on the ground. | ||
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
I don't think Incontrol cares about losing games to stream sniping, he earns money with the stream and with teaching, casting etc. and is still invited to tournament no matter what his bnet points are because everyone know he is a good player oO | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:58 Okiesmokie wrote: Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Just because they know about the possibility doesn't mean it should be treated as the norm. You know there is always a possibility of someone breaking into your house and stealing all your stuff, so by your analogy that should be legal because you are aware of it?[/QUOTE] no, but you have the possibility to prevent them from stealing, which is: telling not everyone the code to your doorlock. | ||
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