EPTThe feature you mentioned is extremely bad. I like the thought of it but as previous posters stated, people can just block certain people that beat them on ladder. This may not be easily seen in lower leagues, but in GM where they usually play players in GM as well, one can just block people they do not wish to play against.
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burnswuff
United States61 Posts
The feature you mentioned is extremely bad. I like the thought of it but as previous posters stated, people can just block certain people that beat them on ladder. This may not be easily seen in lower leagues, but in GM where they usually play players in GM as well, one can just block people they do not wish to play against. | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote: Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" well played sir well played... | ||
EMPaThy789
New Zealand878 Posts
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Jtn
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Ryder.
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
It IS stealing. Just because a girl is drunk and can't say no doesn't make it ok to rape her. It IS cheating. Turn off the stream, have some integrity. Edit: I'm not saying that it is reasonable for Inc. and others to expect cheaters to cheat them on the ladder, but that doesn't make it not WRONG. Just because other people make it easy for you to cheat doesn't make it not cheating. I get that the ladder isn't important, but just because a piece of gum isn't expensive, when you walk out of the store without paying for it, you are stealing. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On June 12 2011 19:35 Okiesmokie wrote: The easiest way to solve this issue would just be for Justin.tv to implement full stream banning instead of just banning from chat. Make an option that requires you to log in to view the stream, and ban people who are stream sniping you. An IP banning functionality would be better, so that people couldn't just make new accounts. (If they're trying to use a proxy to circumvent the IP banning, then their stream will probably be delayed far enough that it wouldn't be effective anyway) Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing. It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout. Really dude? Really? Do people even think about what they say before they it? Why on earth would justintv give a bunch of volunteer mods (who are not affiliated with the company in any way) the power to ban people from watching the stream?! That's how they make their freaking money, they want to attract more viewers, not have some 12 year old power-hungry mod abuse this priviledges and ban people they don't like from watching the stream. Will never happen in million years. Not to mention the stream hacker could just you know, use a different name in the first place? | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Zeddicus
United States239 Posts
This account could implement the 5 minute or 5 match or whatever cooldown, to help prevent sniping, but this would be an option. Check it on or off, it's the account holder's decision. It could also have either a drastically increased limit to number of people blocked, or no limit at all. If this was only open to a few accounts, it shouldn't be that big of an issue. Also, they could have additional chat options, such as only allow incoming chats if on friends list already, or don't allow any incoming chats and you'd have to initiate to start one or something like that. These would all be settings though, so the people who need these accounts (basically anyone famous in SC2, streamers, players, etc...) can adjust them to their needs. These are not features that regular players need though. What do you all think of that? | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
Stream sniping is fun besides that FYI, and its only an issue in grandmaster, because there are so few people with similar MMR's. Even then your range is really only +/- 100 ranks as well as a few masters people with peaking MMRs, so you will match these players regardless whether they are trying to snipe or not. As for stream watching and using it to cheat, its a fact of life, if you plan on streaming you had better expect that people are going to use that to their advantage. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Just add the stream sniper to your friends list, and hide your screen before you search for a match. You can then see when the stream sniper is either in game or not. Once they find a match, you know you are safe to search. | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion. If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok. Well, if the point of the ladder is to create a fair environment in which you face a random opponent, sniping can't really be considered 100% fine, but at least its the impact of something completely optional outside of the ladder, as opposed to bastardizing it further. | ||
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Tear388
United States59 Posts
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
edit: as for stream sniping to cheese, thats kinda gay. but stream snipes to play a "good game" seems fair to me, although thats not always the case. | ||
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CarachAngren
United States84 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:46 Adebisi wrote: Well, if the point of the ladder is to create a fair environment in which you face a random opponent, sniping can't really be considered 100% fine, but at least its the impact of something completely optional outside of the ladder, as opposed to bastardizing it further. I have to agree Adebisi. The streaming is outside the game so to change the game due to something that isn't a part of it, seems a bit much. I think modifying the delay would be the best solution (even changing it to 1 minute would hide the search). | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion. If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok. I have a solution: You have to play 2 new people before you can play the same person again when you queue random. So if I play person A, I can't play A again until after I play B and C, then I could play A again, or D, but not B or C, etc. You can still voluntarily play them in custom games. | ||
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