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So I was watching InControl stream, which was hilarious by the way. =)
And Deezer continually sniped the stream. And lost. Also hilarious.
A lot of people say to add a delay, which has the counter-argument of ruining the experience of interaction with fans.
Blizzard could fix this though. I think really easily.
Here's my idea.
Enable an option to never find a certain player while laddering. Like a block feature for ladders. Example. I'm streaming, and one guy keeps attempting to snipe me. So I block him. The search will never match me up with that player in a ladder game now until I unblock him, which I obviously wont be doing while streaming.
If the stream is having this problem with a large number of people, this wouldnt really help because you'd have to block each person individually. But regardless, that was the idea. Isolated cases would dissolve. Which at least helps the situation.
Thoughts?
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Well, how could Blizzard prevent people from just blocking people that are better than them?
I like the thought though. Maybe just implement it where you can't be matched up with the same person twice within ~5 games?
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people would do that so that they didnt have to play good people
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That wouldn't be a good idea, because then players could block players they don't do well against if their priority is to do well on the ladder.
Sniping is just a downside to streaming, but I really think that you shouldn't be able to play the same person right after you finished a match with them, especially since many people queue immediately after losing, causing them to likely get matched up again.
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how about just add a 15 minute cooldown after the game that prevents the same two people being matched up?
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That is so stiupid :D Don't think to much...xD
PPL would block ( with a lot of rage ) players who beat them...
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silly idea. just make sure the two don't queue to each other after 2 consecutive times
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iNcontroL fighting !  I love the way he keeps rolling Deezer even tho Deezer is stream cheating
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I'm just going to say I enjoy rematches and I have no problem with the system, if someone is sniping the likes of Incontrol he can't be that bad, and well if he is, free-wins. If it bothers you that much, don't stream.
I like how it is now, don't change it Blizz.
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stream sniping is half the fun of sc2
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Not a good idea, sniping is funny, let it happen. It is not Blizzards place to induct rules because of livestreams from players
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when you stream your games, you run the risk of people watching them
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On June 12 2011 16:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'm just going to say I enjoy rematches and I have no problem with the system, if someone is sniping the likes of Incontrol he can't be that bad, and well if he is, free-wins. If it bothers you that much, don't stream.
I like how it is now, don't change it Blizz.
The problem is he stream cheats and trolls hardcore the whole time, making Incontrol force to play with a HUGE disadvantage, or turn the stream black, losing viewers.
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I actually like that idea better.
Not allowing 2 players to be matched with each other within X amount of games. Causes nothing to be needed on the player's behalf. Stream sniping is one thing. But when the streamer is playing against the same person 3, 4, 5 games in a row. It starts to dull the experience. Which is bad for everyone. Regardless of who wins or loses.
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listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG
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Think of the poor cheesers who will never find another game when everyone blocks them!
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On June 12 2011 16:03 Whole wrote:
how about just add a 15 minute cooldown after the game that prevents the same two people being matched up?
This seems like a good option. Maybe even longer. Then again, maybe I'm missing something and that wouldn't work.
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On June 12 2011 16:15 XenocideFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'm just going to say I enjoy rematches and I have no problem with the system, if someone is sniping the likes of Incontrol he can't be that bad, and well if he is, free-wins. If it bothers you that much, don't stream.
I like how it is now, don't change it Blizz. The problem is he stream cheats and trolls hardcore the whole time, making Incontrol force to play with a HUGE disadvantage, or turn the stream black, losing viewers.
Thats the problem.. I wouldnt be surprised if there are people who only ladder when other streamers are laddering, trying to snipe the games and have free vision on their 2nd monitor the whole time... and somehow get into GM this way.
streamers are going to have to start hiding their search windows, to avoid being sniped if this becomes a bigger mess
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^-^ watchin the same stream right now lolz... idk why should good people suffer from people that are asswholes???
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If he didn't want it he could add a delay, if you want interaction join the chat, Blizzard won't and shouldn't make a relatively large change to the game just to make streaming "better"(?)
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If he's not using it to ghost I don't see any problem, there's no real issue with sniping.
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Probably an easier way would just be so you can't match the same person twice in a row. With the amount of people whom play SC2 ladder it really shouldn't be a problem lol
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It's pretty simple, if you worry THAT much about being stream sniped, don't stream. I don't think the pros really care, the benefits of streaming outweigh the cons.
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The pros dont care, but I know a lot of the fans do. They just groan loudly everytime the matchup comes up. And obviously the player wont enjoy it nearly as much.
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I think people would end up using the block feature to abuse points more than to deny stream sniping. Dunno if preventing matchmaking could work without having too many negatives to go with it.
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Just make it an hour before you can get matched against the same person on ladder. This deezer shit on everyones stream is getting annoying as hell. I want to actually see good games played by good players.
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I don't think its up to blizzard to prevent stream sniping or stream cheating. Streaming on its own is not related to directly tied to blizzard or battle.net. When someone streams they understand the risks of getting sniped and I think it's up to them to solve the problem. What incontrol's doing with the black screen is a quick fix although it's not 100%... and unfortunately I can't come up with an idea that is.
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Isn't stream sniping and consistently trolling considered harassing/grieving? Maybe Deezer will just get banned and disappear?
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Deezer is my new favorite person. Just putting that out there.
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I don't see why Blizzard should have to do anything about people using 3rd party programs to broadcast their games. If you put it on the internet, it's there for public consumption.
I've played hundreds of games, and never been stream sniped. Because I don't stream. Seems pretty simple to me tbh.
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On June 12 2011 17:00 TrickyGilligan wrote:
I don't see why Blizzard should have to do anything about people using 3rd party programs to broadcast their games. If you put it on the internet, it's there for public consumption.
I've played hundreds of games, and never been stream sniped. Because I don't stream. Seems pretty simple to me tbh.
Well tell that to people who actually make their money from Starcraft II, getting stream sniped and cheated is just annoying, especially if your opponent is watching your stream the whole time. Either way, I'm sure there are easier ways to implement a fix instead of saying "just don't stream" to an entire community that watches and loves SCII.
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Sniping to get a game against a certain pro is ok really, steam watching however is a bad thing.
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On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG
Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO"
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i like the idea of having cooldowns on other players so u dont meet the same guy repeatedly, its kinda lame tbh.
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Just make it have a max of 3 players that you can have blocked at one time. Even in GM there's more than 10 players that would be close matches to you so I don't really see the problem even if the system is used to block people better than you.
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i think thats a terrible idea.
Most pros dont stream as practice, but more to show the community a good time. like idra says he doesnt play NA ladder for practice, he does it so people can watch him play. And as long as they arent stream cheating its fine. If they are stream cheating, well there will always be stream cheaters. just dont make streaming time your practice time.
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There's nothing wrong with stream sniping. Your suggestion is REALLY bad and I don't think you've thought it out very well. I'm an old school sc player and prior to the days of AMM we had to find opponents ourselves which is why smurfing became so rampant. People would stats the good players and dodge them which is why my top 10 ladder finish was done under a smurf name because I couldn't find anyone to play within 200 points of me.
Giving players the option to dodge players is TERRIBLE. Players should be using ladder as a tool to get better at the game, not worrying about their record. If someone is sniping you and for whatever reason you don't want to play them you can always just leave the game which is what Sterling did to me the other day. He just straight up left the game at the start and when he did that I quit sniping him.
The idea that Blizzard needs to get involved is also pretty ridiculous. People are usually streaming to make $$ not to practice builds so with that said, stream sniping causes drama and drama brings viewers. If i were a streamer I'd welcome the conflict. so yea, it's fine imo.
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Couldn't streamers just set delay to something like 40-50 seconds? That would be enough to avoid sniping and wouldn't hurt interaction with fans that much. I feel like none of the streamers have even tested delay server, they're just assuming it won't work.
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Its only ladder, dont think anyone cares
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There should just be an optional delay, ideally with a variable length set by the broadcaster on justin.tv, as long as that is technologically feasible. Would be a phenomenal addition to aid in tournament broadcasts as well.
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If you can just block a player you keep losing to isnt a good idea, people would abuse of such a feature... and how many of you actualy fear beeing stream sniped? 
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Players should just set a delay for their stream...people like to watch stream snipers though.
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On June 12 2011 18:57 Anomandaris wrote:
guys - its only ladder.
One of the wisest things in this thread.
I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful!
Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous.
Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway.
edit: typos
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The easiest way to solve this issue would just be for Justin.tv to implement full stream banning instead of just banning from chat. Make an option that requires you to log in to view the stream, and ban people who are stream sniping you. An IP banning functionality would be better, so that people couldn't just make new accounts. (If they're trying to use a proxy to circumvent the IP banning, then their stream will probably be delayed far enough that it wouldn't be effective anyway)
On June 12 2011 19:02 opisska wrote:One of the wisest things in this thread. I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful! Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous. Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway. edit: typos
Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing.
It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout.
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-.- hit quote instead of edit, my bad
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On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO"
Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point.
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Guys, let's not derail the thread here, this is about stream sniping not stream cheating. I've done it, everyone's done it, and I'm sure most players turn off the stream once the game starts.
While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped.
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On June 12 2011 19:48 Geiko wrote:
Guys, let's not derail the thread here, this is about stream sniping not stream cheating. I've done it, everyone's done it, and I'm sure most players turn off the stream once the game starts.
While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped.
You're using the wrong example then. The reason why Incontrol was forced to black his screen was because Deezer was constantly stream cheating. That is why Deezer is in Grandmasters in the first place. All he does is stream snipe people and watch their stream on his second monitor while he plays.
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Sorry BRO, I really doubt that would ever fly, with anybody. Your mind is in the right place through.
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On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point.
If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process.
Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win.
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I think stream snipers are great for pro players, why should Blizzard implement anything to fix this. The sniping players work to give publicity to both the streamer and themselves which keeps users interested to see if they keep appearing. For people to snipe they have to at least be the same skill level and as many people have already said it is in no way a guaranteed win. It is a win-win situation, maybe it might make Incontrol or others mad but people love to has ex. Idra.
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On June 12 2011 19:50 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:48 Geiko wrote:
Guys, let's not derail the thread here, this is about stream sniping not stream cheating. I've done it, everyone's done it, and I'm sure most players turn off the stream once the game starts.
While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped. You're using the wrong example then. The reason why Incontrol was forced to black his screen was because Deezer was constantly stream cheating. That is why Deezer is in Grandmasters in the first place. All he does is stream snipe people and watch their stream on his second monitor while he plays.
Like I said, if incontrol thinks he is being cheated, he can just take 2 minutes to talk to his fans while having a still image on his screen, and press the search button at a random time.
I don't really see how this is a problem.
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On June 12 2011 19:53 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:50 Okiesmokie wrote:On June 12 2011 19:48 Geiko wrote:
Guys, let's not derail the thread here, this is about stream sniping not stream cheating. I've done it, everyone's done it, and I'm sure most players turn off the stream once the game starts.
While I can see the problem with stream cheating, I think stream sniping is perfectly fine and it's not up to blizzard to fix that. Tip for pros : wait one or two minutes before everygame and hide the search screen with something if you don't want to be sniped. You're using the wrong example then. The reason why Incontrol was forced to black his screen was because Deezer was constantly stream cheating. That is why Deezer is in Grandmasters in the first place. All he does is stream snipe people and watch their stream on his second monitor while he plays. Like I said, if incontrol thinks he is being cheated, he can just take 2 minutes to talk to his fans while having a still image on his screen, and press the search button at a random time. I don't really see how this is a problem.
He does. And sometimes Deezer still manages to snipe him by guessing. That is why Incontrol has to turn his screen black during the match.
On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote:On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point. If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process. Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge.
Just because they know about the possibility doesn't mean it should be treated as the norm. You know there is always a possibility of someone breaking into your house and stealing all your stuff, so by your analogy that should be legal because you are aware of it?
On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote:Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone is "blind" countering everything you do because they can see every move you make 100% of the time, it doesn't matter how good you are. If you mention the "day9 shared vision lurker story", then you have no clue what you are talking about. There is a big difference between playing someone you are leagues ahead of and someone who is equal skill to you.
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Oh how I would abuse this to block all the pros - I'm sick of losing to players like White-ra and Sase 
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On June 12 2011 19:35 Okiesmokie wrote:The easiest way to solve this issue would just be for Justin.tv to implement full stream banning instead of just banning from chat. Make an option that requires you to log in to view the stream, and ban people who are stream sniping you. An IP banning functionality would be better, so that people couldn't just make new accounts. (If they're trying to use a proxy to circumvent the IP banning, then their stream will probably be delayed far enough that it wouldn't be effective anyway) Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:02 opisska wrote:On June 12 2011 18:57 Anomandaris wrote:
guys - its only ladder. One of the wisest things in this thread. I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful! Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous. Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway. edit: typos Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing. It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout.
As a player, you have no control over if someone is using maphacks or not. Therefore, it's up to Blizzard to control that kind of thing since you are powerless to keep the game fair. With streaming, you are choosing to broadcast what you're doing in real time. If your ladder rank is that big of a deal to you, you can simply not stream. Problem solved.
On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point.
I don't think anyone is defending stream watching, but you're clearly opening yourself up to getting cheated simply by streaming. The car analogy is bad though, since stealing a car is always illegal. Map hacks will get you banned by Blizzard, while watching someone's stream has zero chance of any consequences other than forum posts and harsh language. A better analogy would be stealing $100 out of someone's wallet, vs finding it on the ground.
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in wc3 there was a 1 hour cooldown or something like that until 2 players could meet again, just another thing they forgot to add while making bnet 0.2
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if you want to show the world how you play. live with it. . .
I don't think Incontrol cares about losing games to stream sniping, he earns money with the stream and with teaching, casting etc. and is still invited to tournament no matter what his bnet points are because everyone know he is a good player oO
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On June 12 2011 19:58 Okiesmokie wrote:
Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge.
Just because they know about the possibility doesn't mean it should be treated as the norm. You know there is always a possibility of someone breaking into your house and stealing all your stuff, so by your analogy that should be legal because you are aware of it?[/QUOTE]
no, but you have the possibility to prevent them from stealing, which is: telling not everyone the code to your doorlock.
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Is stream sniping the same as stream watching? Some people seem to use the words interchangeably and others use them distinctly . . .
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Delay does not ruin the experience of "interacting" with the fans, unless you're inexplicably reading chat while playing (good luck concentrating in that case). You can add a 45 sec - 1 minute delay and be dealing with the fans, almost in real time and that is fine.
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On June 12 2011 20:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Is stream sniping the same as stream watching? Some people seem to use the words interchangeably and others use them distinctly . . .
Stream sniping is queuing up in order to get matched vs a certain opponent.
Stream watching is when after you snipe, you watch their stream on your 2nd monitor so you know exactly what they're doing.
Most people are ok with stream sniping, but the temptation to then watch is pretty strong, since all you have to do at that point is leave the stream open.
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Stream sniping provides the lulz. But what you suggested is dumb and people would use it get loads of ladder points. IE block people who are better than you. Its better just to incorporate a system that stops you continually being matched up against the same person in a certain time frame.
IE you can only play the person once an hour via the ladder system or once every 5 games.
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The best way would be to implement optional cool downs. So people can decide if they want to be able to play the same person more than once in a row. At lower levels it doesn't happen very often that you are getting a rematch and I think a lot of players are enjoying those quite a bit since it makes ladder play a lot more interesting. It would be sad if Blizzard would completely get rid of rematches just because of trolls like Deezer.
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i dont think this is necessary at all, and i think iNcontrol handled it nicely, blanking out the screen at the time of finding a match, and when he forgot just blank the screen first couple minutes of the game.
everytime he did either, he didnt get matched against Deezer. or he just rolled him. it was hilarious to se Deezer go "LOL my blink stalker against your robo, you cant win, GG" and fkn lose. or "HAHA stargate against robo i win" then fkn lose again. priceless.
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i'd like the idea of a cooldown instead of perma blocking lol. it makes much much more sense...
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On June 12 2011 16:21 Teim wrote:
Think of the poor cheesers who will never find another game when everyone blocks them!
indeed a pro for that idea if i remember my last 12 games... just one of them passed the 8 minute mark x.x every single game was an all-in or cheese <.<
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On June 12 2011 16:00 XenocideFTW wrote:
Well, how could Blizzard prevent people from just blocking people that are better than them? Nails it in the first comment I do believe delay is the quickest answer to it, interaction with the viewers can still be done over chat if needed and honestly this problem is only affecting a certain playerbase. Why would Blizzard change their complete system because some players share there screen while playing? (not trying to BM here just pointing out this problem only affecting a few people of their millions of customers)
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Can't you put something else on screen and mute sound while you queue or put on commercials.
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Who cares, that is a problem for streamers, not a problem of the game. There are so many things to rework, and an issue for the streamers is the last one on my personal list.
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edit: dfjsdjf nvm didnt read the the suggestions
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That idea is not good for competition. Second guy's idea isn't bad. I wouldn't mind playing 5 games before running into them again.
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On June 12 2011 19:53 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:44 Chenz wrote:On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" Stealing is just as illegal even if the front door is open, I fail to see your point. If you don't mind to pursue this analogy a little further, then yes, stealing is still illegal. But at least in our law system, its not a crime to neter somewhere if you do not overcome barriers. So you cannot be sued for entering a private property if the main door is open, if you do not steal anything in the process. Anyway, saying that it's like maphacking is absurd. The streamer knows about the possibility. They should just take it as an added challenge. Even Day9 says that all time, you should play so solid that even if the other guy sees everything, you win.
That seems really unusual. I didn't know that abt the Czech Republic. over here, that's called trespassing, and it's definitely illegal. If someone has signs posted, you can't even walk on their land, let alone into their house (breaking and entering in america. Breaking is if you open any door, and Entering is literally if you enter the house / property).
Anyway, OT: if the guy was stream sniping, i see nothing wrong with it. If he was cheating and looking at a second monitor, that's really really sad, and if there's a way we can verify, we should punish it in any way possible.
But it's unfortunately one of the ugly side effects of laddering, and a risk that i'm glad many pros are willing to take
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On June 12 2011 16:21 Teim wrote:
Think of the poor cheesers who will never find another game when everyone blocks them!
lol i like raking up wins from failed cheese, those ppl at least know what they were trying to do, personally i block the obviously brand newby bronze-silv who ruin the game for either party by not knowing how to play yet.
adding a delay to the stream which would make it not a stream at all, would in fact correct this problem 100% . Make it to where the broadcast goes out immediately upon game ending.
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It "can" be avoided kind of, by not letting the stream see when you search.
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If Blizzard were to allow people to block certain players from being matched against you, then having a cap of ~5 blocked at a time should allow say EGIdrA to block Combat-Ex but wouldn't allow people to stop themselves from being matched against good players.
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You can delay your stream artificially, hell League of Legends tournaments are ''live'' but not quite (they are ''delayed'' by about half an hour), so that stream watching does jack shit.
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is "stream sniping" the act of hitting the "find player" button at the same time the person on the stream does? if that's the case, there's a chance that someone somewhere else does the same thing and the sniper won't necessarily play against his target.
i think that if wc3 had an hour delay for players who just played each other (not sure; just from what i read here), then bnet 0.2 can definitely implement this as well.
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On June 12 2011 16:12 Corvette wrote:
when you stream your games, you run the risk of people watching them
After 4 pages, this by far is the wisest comment. This thread is not good content.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
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Terrible idea. Ill just have the top 200 blocked and rack up some wins!
A better idea would to have Justin.Tv have a delay option. going from 30 seconds to 5 minutes.
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Your idea won't work because all the sniper has to do is find someone to add your character code or use a smurf to know when you are online. Stream sniping is just what Deezer does and Incontrol is just one of the many streams he stalks.
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Sorry but that is a terrible idea. People would just block better players to avoid losses.
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I have to say that this is a really bad Idea. Also to suggest that blizzard should fix it. If you want to stream it is up to you if you want to stream or not. That is the risk you take. You can't have everything you know. either add a delay to prevent stream snipping and stream watching, or don't add a delay and interact with the chat or just don't stream at all. Your choice not blizzards
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I remember back in Broodwar when people were honorable enough to not Stream cheat
i miss the good ole days
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On June 13 2011 00:40 arb wrote:
I remember back in Broodwar when people were honorable enough to not Stream cheat
i miss the good ole days
You mean like the reason the TSLs are casted from replays? Stream cheating was less common because streaming was less common in broodwar. People still did it, though.
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Did you think your idea through? People who get matched up with each other consistently will just block the other person if he keeps losing.
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This is a dumb idea. Why should anyone be allowed to block a person from playing them? That is clearly not the best way to deal with stream sniping.
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when you stream your games, you run the risk of people watching them
Exactly why I don't give away my streaming account to people.
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incontrol stream yesterday was just hilarious !!!!!!
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On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO"
your a fn idiot. I'm talkin about the effect of map hacking vs stream. meaning that he can see exactly what you are seeing, your base, ur army ,ur tech, HELL he can even see where you are looking at.
if you only have post of 17 and IQ of 10, please stop talking
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On June 13 2011 00:40 arb wrote:
I remember back in Broodwar when people were honorable enough to not Stream cheat
i miss the good ole days
Really!? Maybe there weren't stream cheating, but there was all sorts of cheating all the time. TSL2 found tons of cheaters and that's not to mention when the likes of TT1, LS and spades and tons of others were caught cheating and even forum darlings like clazz were found cheating and when oversky played games for someone else
Cheating is really sad and pathetic, but there seems to be a never ending line of desperate people who think they won't get caught. There will never be a time when there might not be some sort of cheating. Live events are about as close as we can get but even at MLG there are chances to cheat.
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Stream sniping is a risk you sign up to when you decide you want to stream your games
If it's something that occurs often, it might even draw viewers
"Hey check it out, there's some guy hardcore trolling Incontrol on his stream"
"Oh wow, he doesn't seem like he's very in control"
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Blizzard could add a way for people to use a hotkey to find a game and not have it visible that a game is being searched for. But I'm sure they wouldn't go through all that work just for streamers
There was probably less stream cheating in SC1 because there were so many less streams and so many less people. People's computers weren't even good enough to stream back in the day.
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Yeah, its super imbalanced to have a system where you can block someone better than you. If they did that then they might as well just add dedicated servers.
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On June 12 2011 16:48 Skamtet wrote:
Good ole Deezer
Hahaha
He be deezin
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Your idea would be abused ridiculously.
Players could just block every player that beats them, or every player they encounter of a certain race to get their better matchups more, etc etc.
Maybe if you had it so you could only block 1 player at a time or something that might be feasible but not really realistic.
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Oh lol this is hilarious. "I think it's you and me against the world, buddy." iNcontroL, you're one of the best trolls TL has. Except maybe Hot_Bid. Also, TotalBiscuit makes and excellent point. 45 seconds kills the snipe and still allows for excellent interaction with the crowd
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Can you just not give a delay in your stream? And change that delay between game if you encounter someone who he is stream sniping?
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I think that this is something you essentially consent to when you decide to stream. Being stream sniped is nobody's fault. Since you decided to stream, people including your opponent can see what youre doing. Even though it may be unethical, (not cheating) it is the cost these famous players pay for when they stream. However, most of the time the one getting sniped usually wins anyways and results in hilarity.
The feature you mentioned is extremely bad. I like the thought of it but as previous posters stated, people can just block certain people that beat them on ladder. This may not be easily seen in lower leagues, but in GM where they usually play players in GM as well, one can just block people they do not wish to play against.
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On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO"
well played sir well played...
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New Zealand878 Posts
blizz would never implement this. If they did, combat-ex would get no game at all and blizz cant have that
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Okay. Guys. Everyone who gets stream sniped (aka all of the more prominent streamers) don't actually care when they get stream sniped. Don't make ridiculous propositions to a problem that doesn't exist.
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I think I saw Minigun do this the other day, bit you can just black out your screen whilst searching for a match? As in with a blacked screen you wait an undefined period of time before pressing find game. This way te sniper won't know when to hit find match too; hit too early and they get someone else, hit too late and the streamer will pair with someone else.
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Yeah only Deezer is a problem because he watches the streams he snipes, and hacks on his alt.
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honestly its incontrols problem for continuing to queu right after, knowing you usually get a rematch on ladder. If its a problem for you, turn ur stream off???? LMAO
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On June 13 2011 09:53 Son of Gnome wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 17:10 Myolden wrote:On June 12 2011 16:20 Veritassong wrote:
listen,there's NOTHING WRONG with Rematching, even if they were to be matched up 10000 times consecutively.. What iS wrong about stream sniping is that the sniper is STREAM WATCHING during the games (having 2 monitors or alt tab to see the victim's build order). in essense that is the same as map hacking. THAT'S WRONG Same as map hacking? lol. Saying that stream "cheating" is same as maphacking is like leaving your front door open and keys to your car and when someone steals something you go: "BUT GUYS, STEALING IS WRONG, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEAL EVEN IF IT'S EASY BOOHOOO" well played sir well played...
It IS stealing. Just because a girl is drunk and can't say no doesn't make it ok to rape her. It IS cheating. Turn off the stream, have some integrity.
Edit: I'm not saying that it is reasonable for Inc. and others to expect cheaters to cheat them on the ladder, but that doesn't make it not WRONG. Just because other people make it easy for you to cheat doesn't make it not cheating. I get that the ladder isn't important, but just because a piece of gum isn't expensive, when you walk out of the store without paying for it, you are stealing.
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On June 12 2011 19:35 Okiesmokie wrote:The easiest way to solve this issue would just be for Justin.tv to implement full stream banning instead of just banning from chat. Make an option that requires you to log in to view the stream, and ban people who are stream sniping you. An IP banning functionality would be better, so that people couldn't just make new accounts. (If they're trying to use a proxy to circumvent the IP banning, then their stream will probably be delayed far enough that it wouldn't be effective anyway) Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 19:02 opisska wrote:On June 12 2011 18:57 Anomandaris wrote:
guys - its only ladder. One of the wisest things in this thread. I was watching Incontrol's stream yesterday for the first time and it was really good, he is so insightful! Then he blackened the screen and I was like WTF? So he cares more about winning then his viewers? More about ladder points? That's almost outrageous. Be a man. Let the guy watch your stream and beat him anyway. edit: typos Okay, so you accept people who maphack on the ladder, because it's only ladder? It's the exact same thing. It's not about the wins, it's about having a fair game. And not having someone proxy 2gate right outside of your base before they even scout.
Really dude? Really? Do people even think about what they say before they it?
Why on earth would justintv give a bunch of volunteer mods (who are not affiliated with the company in any way) the power to ban people from watching the stream?! That's how they make their freaking money, they want to attract more viewers, not have some 12 year old power-hungry mod abuse this priviledges and ban people they don't like from watching the stream. Will never happen in million years. Not to mention the stream hacker could just you know, use a different name in the first place?
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Maybe just limit the amount of times you can play the same person on ladder in any 24 hour period. I think the op's suggestion would be too easy to abuse.
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How about Blizz implements a pro account or some sort of special account or something. Maybe they have to invite you to it, maybe you have to buy it or subscribe to it or something. But the idea would be it's aimed at pros who have various issues that us regular old newbs don't have.
This account could implement the 5 minute or 5 match or whatever cooldown, to help prevent sniping, but this would be an option. Check it on or off, it's the account holder's decision.
It could also have either a drastically increased limit to number of people blocked, or no limit at all. If this was only open to a few accounts, it shouldn't be that big of an issue.
Also, they could have additional chat options, such as only allow incoming chats if on friends list already, or don't allow any incoming chats and you'd have to initiate to start one or something like that.
These would all be settings though, so the people who need these accounts (basically anyone famous in SC2, streamers, players, etc...) can adjust them to their needs. These are not features that regular players need though.
What do you all think of that?
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If i could block people from matching me I would be alot higher rated than I am now.
Stream sniping is fun besides that FYI, and its only an issue in grandmaster, because there are so few people with similar MMR's. Even then your range is really only +/- 100 ranks as well as a few masters people with peaking MMRs, so you will match these players regardless whether they are trying to snipe or not.
As for stream watching and using it to cheat, its a fact of life, if you plan on streaming you had better expect that people are going to use that to their advantage.
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Don't really see much issue with sniping. If the streamee is watching the streamer playing against him, well that's just the streamers issue. If it's just to be able to play the streamer, I don't see any issues with that.
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It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok.
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Here's a very simple solution...
Just add the stream sniper to your friends list, and hide your screen before you search for a match. You can then see when the stream sniper is either in game or not. Once they find a match, you know you are safe to search.
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Canada1637 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok.
Well, if the point of the ladder is to create a fair environment in which you face a random opponent, sniping can't really be considered 100% fine, but at least its the impact of something completely optional outside of the ladder, as opposed to bastardizing it further.
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I was fortunate enough to watch incontrol stream during the hilarious event. I thought it have a lot of entertainment value. GOEFF FTW! Also i think this is NOT Blizzard issue and more of players' issues. MORAL ISSUE!
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if there was any sort of "temporary hold/ban" from playing another person in an alloted amount of time, then players at the very very very top of the ladder would NEVER ever get matches. although the mmr system has made it so a top 300-500 master can play the #1 gm, still the pool is greatly decreased and the "highest mmrs" would simply have to sit around for several minutes for a match.
edit: as for stream sniping to cheese, thats kinda gay. but stream snipes to play a "good game" seems fair to me, although thats not always the case.
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On June 13 2011 11:46 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok. Well, if the point of the ladder is to create a fair environment in which you face a random opponent, sniping can't really be considered 100% fine, but at least its the impact of something completely optional outside of the ladder, as opposed to bastardizing it further.
I have to agree Adebisi. The streaming is outside the game so to change the game due to something that isn't a part of it, seems a bit much. I think modifying the delay would be the best solution (even changing it to 1 minute would hide the search).
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United States7483 Posts
On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok.
I have a solution: You have to play 2 new people before you can play the same person again when you queue random. So if I play person A, I can't play A again until after I play B and C, then I could play A again, or D, but not B or C, etc.
You can still voluntarily play them in custom games.
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my thoughts are incontrol probably doesnt give a fuck so why should I?
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On June 13 2011 12:37 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok. I have a solution: You have to play 2 new people before you can play the same person again when you queue random. So if I play person A, I can't play A again until after I play B and C, then I could play A again, or D, but not B or C, etc. You can still voluntarily play them in custom games.
Wow, that is actually a great idea. I know i do watch some streams late at night, and sometimes the same person gets randomly picked (trust me, the streams i watched there would be no snipers) and i enjoyed the little rivalry that developed, but i think that the idea of not being able to play the same person 2x in a row is smart. It would be effective to stop snipping a little bit, but it would not eliminate it.
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A thought I had is that Justin.tv could add IP banning (which as a mod i would like so that i dont get all the trolls remaking accounts to troll more) by user name and then adding on the option of not letting that user watch his/her stream. So typing /ban deezer would ban him/ all accounts linked to that IP. And adding something like /tvban deezer or somethign would make it so that user could not view from that IP.
^---however if he is a hacker then changing your IP is basicly hacking 101 which makes my suggestion pretty dumb and since Undercover did use to hack against me all the time in wc3/sc2. I'm pretty sure Deezer knows how to do this.
This is a interesting issue indeed, although i don't think there is anything that can be done about it.
the thing is iNcontroL has a 20-30 second delay on his stream. I've tested it just by logging on/and off too see my name pop up on incontrol's friendlist. R1ch also noticed it. SO if he is able to get Stream sniped by Deezer (someone who searches 30 seconds after him) then thats the closest person to iNcontroLs mmr. So adding a delay wouldn't work.
Now streamers have the option to add black screen's like iNcontroL did if they do not want too be stream sniped. This does however hurt their own stream.
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Just wanted to state it was a pretty rough draft idea. Obviously tweaking could go into effect and make it into a feasible system.
For the guys saying people could abuse it to not face players better than them. We'll say you can only block a limited number of people.
But in retrospect, it's probably much easier to have an anti-matching setup with some delay.
ie: If I play a game with you, the ladder search wont match me with you for 1-2 hours, or X number of games. What I'm really trying to avoid isn't someone being able to get a game with a streamer, but to prevent them from doing it over and over and over.
Let's take it from a fan's point of view. Is it really entertaining if you're watching the same guy get matched with the same other player repeatedly?
Or even the player's point of view. I know I personally, would start to get really tired and eventually stop streaming. Geoff handled it well, granted, but it just felt like a lot of unnecessary work to keep people entertained.
Alternatively, the option to IPBan people from watching your stream. If someone's ruining your play experience by cheating off your stream. It's an easy fix.
Either way, I'm just floating ideas around. I'd be completely comfortable with an idea being molded into something people could agree on. I just don't feel you should be able to choose who you're facing, under any circumstances on the ladder. If you really want to face them, it should be consensual on both sides, perhaps under a custom game.
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Why don't they just stream games with practice partners instead of random guys on ladder. Seems like it would be more interesting anyway.
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I think some time down the road everyone will stream with a delay to fix problems like these.
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On June 12 2011 16:00 XenocideFTW wrote:
Well, how could Blizzard prevent people from just blocking people that are better than them?
I like the thought though. Maybe just implement it where you can't be matched up with the same person twice within ~5 games?
there's a limit on how many you can block and blocking like 100 different people that will change each day is pretty hard
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Here is a fix for this problem.
Streamer gets a overlay that covers his stream.
Streamer queues up while the overlay is up.
Streamer most likely won't get sniped if he is clever about it.
Profit?
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Only thing I can think of, something that would be pretty damn hard to pull off and would require blizzard to step in... also i don't know if it is even possible but...
Make it impossible to queue up a ladder game if you are watching a stream.
Make it impossible to alt-tab during ladder games? but then how does that help with people with dual monitors...
idk just brainstorming here
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If you decide to publicly make available a stream of your games, one of the risks is people being able to stream snipe/cheat against you. If they don't like it, they'll stop streaming.
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On June 13 2011 17:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think some time down the road everyone will stream with a delay to fix problems like these.
While that may very well become true, I think it would be a shame because it could possible ruin the interaction between streamer and viewers. (Obviously a part of my argument is that the better streamers interact with the viewers)
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I believe its more on the streamer than the sniper. If you dont want people to possible snipe your games, dont stream. Plus, even with stream sniping, its hard to kill these pro players. Anything you get from a stream except early shenanigans could have been gotten the same from scouting.
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On June 13 2011 21:53 Sanguinarius wrote:
I believe its more on the streamer than the sniper. If you dont want people to possible snipe your games, dont stream. Plus, even with stream sniping, its hard to kill these pro players. Anything you get from a stream except early shenanigans could have been gotten the same from scouting.
Of course you're right. But it is not really a good argument: If you dont want people to critize you dont socialize. If you dont wanna get stream sniped dont stream. But the fact that I wanna socialize or stream does not make it morally permissable for others to behave like a**holes.
Maybe we can, maybe cant do anything effective to avoid stream sniping, but that matter of fact does not make it al right
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Stream delay is not going to solve this problem. People streaming with commentary like incontrol usually mention something in order to illicit a response from the audience. Be a question or something else. Therefore they can't really have a long delay and continue to cast the way that he is. Streamers like Incontrol therefore always will run the risk of being stream sniped. So it basically comes down to is if they are okay with the risk of being sniped vs. the reward of streaming. As you can see streaming wins. Plus many pros don't really consider laddering all that important anyways. I think incontrol really does it just to help increase his revenue while practicing talking about the game.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Why does it matter if someone is stream sniping(assuming they are sniping only, not cheating by watching stream if he/she gets matched with streamer)? In the end, it's just the ladder and as someone mentioned, if you are worried about getting sniped, simple solution is not to stream
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How about implementing a change which makes two players unable to be matched up twice in a row?
EDIT: Just figured out someone has suggested this already. It's very good idea I think though.
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streamers say they don't want to delay their streams, because they'll lose the opportunity to interact with the chat. artosis has users post questions on his twitter, or he used to. it's not as interactive as being in almost realtime w/ everyone in chat, but it's still something if streamers are ok with making a compromise in order to avoid being stream sniped/cheated.
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Blizzard doesn't need to make any changes to protect players from stream sniping. If you don't want to be stream sniped, turn off your stream.
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On June 13 2011 11:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's funny that the OP's suggestion of being able to block people from matching gets shot down as unfair when stream sniping is in violation of the same concept (the concept being that you don't get to pick who you play against when you play ladder). The argument that needs to be made is about which one is worse. I happen to think stream sniping is the less bad choice so I'm against the OP's suggestion.
If anyone can explain how stream sniping is 100% fine but the OP's suggestion isn't, I'd love to hear it! I think it's necessary for you to say that they're both bad or they're both ok.
Stream Sniping is 100% fine if you and the person agree on it and you wanted to make the game worth some sort of pride. Since losing a custom I feel isn't as bad as losing a Ladder match.
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Its only ladder and it provides entertainment....
Good ol' Deezer
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On June 13 2011 17:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think some time down the road everyone will stream with a delay to fix problems like these.
Then people like Idra and Incontrol will lose money! XD To be honest, when people try to stream snipe (CombatEX, all of team ROOT against Idra, etc.) I actually think it's hilarious to watch and it actually raises the viewer count... If people are using streams mainly to make money, I doubt they'd want any stream delay, it would hurt interaction with viewers AND block stream sniping, both of which lose the streamers viewers, and money 
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It would work well i there was a cap on the game blocking list. I don't think that every time a player loses to someone on the ladder they will just block the player so they don't have to play that person again. Most people believe that they are better than the person they lose to anyway, and it isn't like a starcraft player to just avoid someone for being better. Most of us like a chance to prove ourselves. So I totally agree with the OP's idea.
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Better solution:
If you are concerned about being stream sniped.
Don't Stream.
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I have to agree with the poster above me...
Nobody's forcing you to stream games, so the game shouldn't take it into account.
I don't know the technical details, but couldn't you just use a 10 minute delay?
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Sniping's perfectly fine.
People are so easily bothered by things these days. What's wrong with sniping? NOt a thing.
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bad idea.
because .00001% of the player base streams AND is important enough to be stream sniped blizzard needs to waste time with ladder blocking? Nahh..
Maybe if you have a better reason for this feature but as of you OP, no thx.
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He who chooses to stream will accept the consequences of streaming, the person who chooses to snipe or stream cheat will accept the consequences towards their reputation if they choose to do so.
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Sniping is fine, it's ghosting that's the real problem
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what pisses me off is the overwhelming amount of times a pro loses and they instantly blame it on stream cheating. It's like they can do no wrong and everyone that beats them sucks and cheats. If your gonna stream man up. Your basically giving all your viewers false information because you don't actually know if your opponent is cheating or not and when your up to 3k+ of delusional followers it hurts the integrity of said person ALOT.
TLDR; A select few streamers need to manner up
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anything to stop stream sniping should be done with the streaming service, not with sc.
there are options to set a delayed broadcast with some tools.
you can also just hide when you are searching for a game.
I have six screens and run as many streams as I can find when I ladder snipe.
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[B]On June 14 2011 11:56 Skank wrote:[/B Then people like Idra and Incontrol will lose money! XD To be honest, when people try to stream snipe (CombatEX, all of team ROOT against Idra, etc.) I actually think it's hilarious to watch and it actually raises the viewer count... If people are using streams mainly to make money, I doubt they'd want any stream delay, it would hurt interaction with viewers AND block stream sniping, both of which lose the streamers viewers, and money
Ya you're right. Thinking about it a bit more I actually don't think stream delay will be used for the live streams. I don't think it's worth it either to lose the interaction with the viewers etc. Maybe when players enter tournaments and want to stream those games, though. Just a 20s delay or so would help a lot in that situation.
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On June 12 2011 17:06 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 17:00 TrickyGilligan wrote:
I don't see why Blizzard should have to do anything about people using 3rd party programs to broadcast their games. If you put it on the internet, it's there for public consumption.
I've played hundreds of games, and never been stream sniped. Because I don't stream. Seems pretty simple to me tbh. Well tell that to people who actually make their money from Starcraft II, getting stream sniped and cheated is just annoying, especially if your opponent is watching your stream the whole time. Either way, I'm sure there are easier ways to implement a fix instead of saying "just don't stream" to an entire community that watches and loves SCII.
They make money from Streaming.
Means it's sort-of a job, and for some people a full-time job.
They won't get sniped every game they play and even if they are it doesn't matter… Really if I had 7k viewers all knowing that I got streamsniped and my opponent was watching my stream and I lost.
1. My pride wouldn't be hurt for losing since it was obvious why.
2. I earn enough money from commercials to shrug a tiny snipe off.
3. Who cares? I mean they wont lose tournaments due to streamsniping, and that's where the glory is.
Also why should Blizzard change something becuase of people streaming? That's not blizzards problem, they have lots of other stuff they should prio (Read: LAN).
Don't get me wrong, I love watching me some Streams and I am really thankful for the players who stream - but in the end, it's up to them if they want to risk getting sniped or not, not up to blizzard.
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It would be better to say that you can not play against the same player for X number of games, that way at the highest level players, like Incontrol, would not get stream sniped and also would not continuously play the same players time after time. It would however mean a longer wait to find an opponent since your limiting the pool of players that you will play against
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I'm just too fucking old.
What happened to integrity and a feeling of real accomplishment?
Are some people so miserable that the only way they can be happy is by thinking they make other people unhappy?
I think it might have something to do with TV "stars" like the ones from Jackass and Jersey Shore. People with no talent who get over with the trash of the world and become "famous".
If you watch someones stream while playing against them you are cheating. If you win by cheating on ladder it means nothing. Grow up and get a fucking life and do something useful.
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