[SC2 Foreigner Scene] Nowhere to Go but Up - Page 8

On June 09 2011 06:48 rareh wrote:


The foreigners earned their place by playing in the openbracket in previous mlgs.
July was eliminated in the same place in the bracket as thorzain .
Remember koreans prac 24/7 so they cope with being burned out better.

On sunday thorzain won more sets, yet on previous days july did, in fact july didn't win a single map on sunday, that alone says everything, besides thorzain got eliminated in a extended series in which he had a disadvantage(if this were a normal best of 3 like all the non-extended games, thorzain would have passed, because he won 2 of the first 3 maps played), july got eliminated in a normal bo3 where both were playing in equal grounds, so the situations were different.

I take nothing from july he was a great bw and is a great sc2 player and i respect him, he did it the right way, went through openbracket and got where he got.

MC, mma, losira and moon, got a place in pools they didn't work for, who knows how it would go if thorzain, morrow or other players went directly into the pools.

Fact is the only korean that played fair(went through openbracket) didn't reach that far, imagine if all koreans went through the openbracket like everyone has to at some point, to get a good seeding instead of having a unfair advantage.

I have nothing against the koreans, but i think everyone should work to deserve something.
People have to work to qualify for the gsl and same should be for mlg pools.

On June 09 2011 08:31 emjaytron wrote:
IMO the first really good test of what effect the training environment has on foreigners will be when FXO goes to korea for the GSTL. We know that individual players results have been less than stellar recently, and we also know that some players such as QXC have had minimal practice alongside that.

So I will be very interested to see the improvement that comes out of this team from living in korea and training together with a united purpose. As someone with coaching experience in real life sport, I know that just practice for the sake of practice is both hard from a motivational perspective, and yields inferior results than practicing with particular goals in mind.

I don't think anyone out there is really expecting to see FXO light it up straight away on the GSTL stage, but I think we may see some great relative improvement over a short time.

The reason Koreans are better at Starcraft is because they have put the “pro” into programmer

On June 09 2011 03:09 rareh wrote:
Point 1.

If mlg didn't have the stupid rule that map wins carry from group to brackets thorzain would have won MC.

Of the first 3 maps played on sunday 2 were won by thorzain and 1 by MC.

So in my eyes thorzain >>> MC

on the group match MC had jetlag , thorzain had jetlag and was burned out from openbracket, so 1 vs 2, it was obvious mc would win before the match even started.

On sunday both were fresh and on their game, so i think guys coming from open bracket shouldn't have that rule applied to them, in fact remove that rule entirely, its an incredibly stupid rule no other league uses for obvious reasons.


Point 2.

Idra after that early gg against mma, just lost confidence in himself and when he loses in his head he can lose to the worst players, so if that he battled to the end... he would have been one map ahead and then god knows how things might have ended differently.

So imo rules, unfair seedings and some lack of confidence made koreans look better then they should.

I mean what have koreans done in the TSL ? Where they weren't given privileged seedings, imo all koreans should have went through the open bracket and proven themselves like thorzain, july and morrow did.

As far as i know there still isn't a good fair tournament where the best koreans and foreigners have been put to the test towards each other.

TSL had unfair pings toward koreans only legit match between korean and foreigner was mc vs thorzain , both were at europe playing in a european server.

MLG had bad rules and koreans were treated like kings giving them privileged seedings instead of working to earn them like everyone else did, through the open brackets, the best placing a korean had that went through the open bracket was july, go look up how well he did.

In the GSL WC the best foreigners weren't there period and still in the team league they(koreans) ONLY won by 1 map.

etc etc

So there still isn't a way to know how far the gap is, if there is even a gap.

On June 09 2011 11:18 jj33 wrote:



If there even is a gap?


hahaha you're in such denial.

What you fail to realize about your stupid excuse thorzain losing only because of the rule is, in a real money game where you know your opponent and it's not 1 game, there are mind games being played.

MC would have played differently I'm sure if he wasn't already up. You make those excuses for Thorzain (who btw I think is an excellent player) yet you won't give MC any credit for coming back to beat Idra 4-0. Ridiculous

You make so many excuses for the foreigners it's unbelievable. Idra losing had alot to do with his mental strength and that says alot about him as a player. And you're last point, Sen said he felt the Koreans could have won anytime they wanted and he felt they weren't even taking it that seriously.

And you say how July did? Yea really what about it, he dominated the open brackets and only lost to another Korean.

On June 09 2011 06:54 QTIP. wrote:


Naniwa lost 2-0 to Losira. It was commentated.

On June 09 2011 14:32 TheOne85 wrote:
I think it has been said already but just in case it hasn't... Some of the people here talking about what iNcontroL said about the Koreans taking over... He was talking from a purely spectator viewpoint that it would drastically reduce the amount of "fun" and interaction with the pro (in actual MLG pro status) players. The current SC2 pros in the foreign scene have never been "scared" of the Koreans. Competitive players love the competition, I thought that was common knowledge.