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[SC2 Foreigner Scene] Nowhere to Go but Up - Page 10

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sicarii
Profile Joined April 2011
United States93 Posts
June 10 2011 07:13 GMT
#181
The reason Koreans are better at Starcraft is because they have put the “pro” into programmer – practicing typically 10 hours a day. MMA said it best himself -


Progamer* its ok i make that typo 3 times a post
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
June 10 2011 13:42 GMT
#182
nice article and I agree that the only way is up
the problem is its a very high up judging by recent tournament

and I wont count the gsl world championship team league as a sign that the gap have lessen because on the individual tournament when money are in stake, all the foreigner except tt1 which face another foreigner got eliminated in the first round.

So like I said. Its a very long way up
Put quote here for readability
deadjawa
Profile Joined May 2011
United States179 Posts
June 10 2011 18:31 GMT
#183
Apologies for all the mistakes in the article. It took me a lot longer than I originally imagined so I didn't spend much time proofreading. I have a ton of respect for the people on TL who write even longer articles than this one.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-10 22:42:00
June 10 2011 22:32 GMT
#184
On June 08 2011 13:16 sPaM916 wrote:
Ya i agree completely, the foreigners gave the very best koreans a challenge.


The very best koreans are on brood war. not sc2 and foreigners in no way in hell gave them a challenge.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 10 2011 22:49 GMT
#185
On June 08 2011 12:28 deadjawa wrote:
Despite claims of a non-working keyboard INcontroL took a game off Losira and could have easily taken the series with a little bit better timing.


It's not just a "claim".. If you watch that game's replay, and compare it to other games of Losira, the difference is night and day.. His APM is normally something close to 300 on average, climbs into the 400s frequently.. In that game it was under 100 for the most part... Just watch the replay, it becomes very obvious that the guy was telling the truth. Even then he barely lost to DT shenanigans...
skipdog172
Profile Joined June 2010
United States331 Posts
June 10 2011 22:57 GMT
#186
On June 10 2011 01:14 ThatGuy89 wrote:
you just gotta think about what MMA said. These koreans just practice all day.Get up and play. eat and then play. sleep. Get up and play. eat. and then play and sleep. over and over again

i cant think of any top non-korean player that does that. They practice alot, but its not that religious. Im not one for this korea vs rest of world, but i think we should all be proud of what these players did, much respect :D ♥


I can't quite understand how you would even KNOW what the typical practice schedules are for a top non-korean. I've never read anything about their exact practice schedules, so where did you find all of the information about how non-koreans practice?

Honestly, I see people throwing around the idea that non-koreans practice less, and I can't help but ask, "How do you know?".

It just seems like so many here want to point out that non-koreans aren't even practicing for 8 hours/day and that just blows my mind. I just can't believe it.
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
June 11 2011 00:27 GMT
#187
And let's look at the TSL-- foreign hopes should never be dashed!
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 11 2011 00:35 GMT
#188
Lol this is such bullshit. It has nothing to do with having "superior genes," the koreans are just willing to work harder than the majority of foreign players and their way of practice is superior as well. If anything, the gap will keep increasing as coin flip play by inferior players gets increasingly figured out. Koreans are the best because practice pays off.
oGs420
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada46 Posts
June 11 2011 00:36 GMT
#189
Really? Nowhere to go but up? That could easily plummet with FXO's horrible choice of going to the GSTL and getting absolutely dominated by players which are clearly superior.
deadjawa
Profile Joined May 2011
United States179 Posts
June 11 2011 02:38 GMT
#190
On June 11 2011 07:57 skipdog172 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 01:14 ThatGuy89 wrote:
you just gotta think about what MMA said. These koreans just practice all day.Get up and play. eat and then play. sleep. Get up and play. eat. and then play and sleep. over and over again

i cant think of any top non-korean player that does that. They practice alot, but its not that religious. Im not one for this korea vs rest of world, but i think we should all be proud of what these players did, much respect :D ♥


I can't quite understand how you would even KNOW what the typical practice schedules are for a top non-korean. I've never read anything about their exact practice schedules, so where did you find all of the information about how non-koreans practice?

Honestly, I see people throwing around the idea that non-koreans practice less, and I can't help but ask, "How do you know?".

It just seems like so many here want to point out that non-koreans aren't even practicing for 8 hours/day and that just blows my mind. I just can't believe it.


Well, we don't really know exactly how much everyone is practicing on a per-hour basis. But we do know some things:

  • Idra has said that he practices about 4 hours a day.
  • Multiple Korean players (MMA, MC, etc) have said that they practice about 10 hours a day
  • We know that Korean players join tightly knit teams of 8-12 that focus on practice while living together in a small apartment.
  • There is nothing like a Korean team practice house in the western world. (admittedly there are a few loosely organized pro houses now, but not as large or as focused as a Korean house)


It could very well be that some foreign players practice as much as the Koreans but even if they did, the quality of their practice would be much less without the benefit of living together with other progamers.

I think a good comparison is to the Olympics - wealthy countries tend to do much better than poor countries. This is because the wealthy countries spend money on practice facilities, coaches, etc. This type of infrastructure needs to be developed in the non-Korean scene for non-Koreans to be successful.
MayanSc2
Profile Joined March 2010
United States198 Posts
June 11 2011 03:59 GMT
#191
Don't worry I will save the foreign scene!
DukeCanada
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada64 Posts
June 11 2011 19:30 GMT
#192
Personally, I believe that the skill gap isnt as large as the the community may think it is. The foreigners competed with fierce skill throughout the entire tournament, I think the Koreans we're very surprised.

I dont mean to say that the foreigners are on par with the Koreans, but they are close. Its just a matter of time.
"All the worlds a stage"
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
June 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#193
Great write up. Matches my own thoughts pretty well.

Only part I have issues with is the console gaming thing. Who in their right mind thinks consoles are competitive with a pc? Take a CS 1.6/Quake progamer and his computer, match him against the entire opposing team on consoles. Let them pick the game (he might need to practice a while depending on the difference from CS/Quake). I am not entirely sure they would be able to touch him. At all.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
June 20 2011 15:41 GMT
#194
On June 08 2011 13:16 sPaM916 wrote:
Ya i agree completely, the foreigners gave the very best koreans a challenge.



second this!
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
June 20 2011 15:50 GMT
#195
Loving the optimism in the article. Great write-up. We don't see very many of these posts but it pretty much says all I am thinking when I see someone whining about the foreigner scene and that they have no chance.

BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 04 2011 00:00 GMT
#196
Good article, only thing is:
"Despite claims of a non-working keyboard INcontroL took a game off Losira and could have easily taken the series with a little bit better timing."
I thought it was Losira with the keyboard issue and not INcontrol??? Did I miss something?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 04 2011 00:04 GMT
#197
The optimism here is unfounded. The gap between Koreans and foreigners has been widening non stop since the release of SC2. Plus "nowhere to go but up" is a pretty ambiguous title. It's not necessarily encouraging.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 04 2011 00:08 GMT
#198
On June 11 2011 07:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 13:16 sPaM916 wrote:
Ya i agree completely, the foreigners gave the very best koreans a challenge.


The very best koreans are on brood war. not sc2 and foreigners in no way in hell gave them a challenge.


All signs so far point to it working as expected. A lower skill ceiling will make it so koreans can't completely dominate SC2, but can still be the overall best.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
July 04 2011 00:15 GMT
#199
On July 04 2011 09:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 07:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 08 2011 13:16 sPaM916 wrote:
Ya i agree completely, the foreigners gave the very best koreans a challenge.


The very best koreans are on brood war. not sc2 and foreigners in no way in hell gave them a challenge.


All signs so far point to it working as expected. A lower skill ceiling will make it so koreans can't completely dominate SC2, but can still be the overall best.


I don't know if you read the article, but the Koreans absolutely manhandled Columbus where every top foreigner excluding HuK and Jinro were present. How exactly is this not "completely dominating" when the 4 koreans in pool play took the 4 top spots of the whole event?
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
July 04 2011 00:19 GMT
#200
Great article
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