chill, man
don't play the victim here ..... i'm sure creep spread is not a reason to complain about
we never heard top zergs complain, and there are alot of complainers in that departament, believe me !!!
Trust me, if IdrA doesn't complain it's not an issue.

I actually don't think too strongly of this. It's annoying if I plant multiple ones in close proximity, but it's not usually an issue. It just annoys the hell out of me when people claim that adding a damned INDICATOR OF RANGE would break the game and make Zerg too easy and OP, and that they think their argument of "I think it works like this (but it doesn't really) so you shouldn't change it because lol wait i have add what did op say again?" is valid.

Hatefiend

United States127 Posts

May 29 2011 11:28 GMT

#63

On May 29 2011 20:21 RockIronrod wrote:
And again, the Protoss and Terran players obviously know how to play Zerg better than Zerg players.
"I'm no Zerg player, but you're wrong and I'm right. I may not have experience, but..."
Actually I can't finish that sentence because I've got no clue what the hell they think there. I see no possible reasons for their thinking other than either a superiority complex, or a severe inferiority complex.

Here are some comparisons for other races.
Imagine if:
-Your dropped mule didn't start automining when dropped on a patch.
-Your nexus didn't display energy
-Your pylons didn't have a radius
-You had to stim each marine individually
-Your guardian shield wasn't visible
-You couldn't tell whether your banshee was cloaked or not

That is what it is like.

EXACTLY! We share the exact same opinion.

Was I the only one who laughed when I reached the 'stimming each marine individually'? hahahah :D

zul

Germany5427 Posts

May 29 2011 11:29 GMT

#64

personnally I dont think the creep mechanics needs to be reworked right now.

FrostFire626

United States79 Posts

May 29 2011 11:34 GMT

#65

This is a good idea. I'm surprised it wasn't included with the game by default as it's a pretty obvious feature to have.

Rylaji

Sweden580 Posts

May 29 2011 11:36 GMT

#66

Zergs... Always have something to whine about..

legatus legionis

Netherlands559 Posts

May 29 2011 11:36 GMT

#67

I don't actually understand the OP or what the question is. But I did read what someone thought was his intention. To make the range of the tumor visible, so that you know where to place it. We all know when you select multiple ones and just spam it doesn't always work, sometimes you try to place it a hex too far and nothing will happen. That would obviously be really good to be able to see how far you can place the tumor when you have one selected.
It would be like taking away building placements or the coloring. You don't know if you can place your building here, just try, oh no you can't reselect all and try it again etc.
If it's like that, I think that's good. But if he means you can "unsiege" your tumors, move them somewhere else and then "siege" them again to start spreading, I don't think thats good, it would be too much change and probably has unforseen consequences.

fireproofazn

United States231 Posts

May 29 2011 11:36 GMT

#68

lol all those do not compare to creep tumor radius.
dont worry i play random

MandoRelease

France374 Posts

May 29 2011 11:37 GMT

#69

I like the idea, I always wondered why pylons and tank show radius when creep tumors don't.

Apparently a lot of people here misunderstood the OP and went crazy on him without even a second thought :')

MindRush

Romania916 Posts

May 29 2011 11:41 GMT

#70

Isn't the creep itself an indication of the radius ?
As far as the creep spreads from one tumor, the edge of the creep is the farthest place you can place another.

Kelberot

Brazil364 Posts

May 29 2011 11:43 GMT

#71

This thread shows the average level of the SC2 player that joined TL recently, the OP isn't asking for ANYTHING that's gonna make the game easier, it's just weird how if you select more than one creep tumor you can only see the range of one of them.

Having what the OP suggested doesn't even make it easier, it just shows you something that should be visible anyway.

Cosmos

Belgium1077 Posts

May 29 2011 11:43 GMT

#72

I feel like to balance the game you could even remove creep tumors so I realy don't see your point.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

May 29 2011 11:44 GMT

#73

I play toss but I actually thought that this should be implemented the last few times that I played as Zerg, it really is annoying not knowing and you guys have hard enough mechanics as is.

ALPINA

3791 Posts

May 29 2011 11:44 GMT

#74

On May 29 2011 20:41 MindRush wrote:
Isn't the creep itself an indication of the radius ?
As far as the creep spreads from one tumor, the edge of the creep is the farthest place you can place another.

When you have multiply tumors nearby it's not easy to see that.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

May 29 2011 11:45 GMT

#75

I think it would be a better compromise to just alter the AI to use the farthest possible creep tumor when placing one. Say you have 5 tumors, 2 of them behind 3 more. You place one at the range limit and one of the two tumors in the back are used instead of any of the the 5. That sucks. But having multiple selected and having a clean UI for each of them might be just a little too easy. Zerg could make the whole map home field within 10 minutes of the game and lose very little time doing it. As of now you have to be dedicated to achieving this.

But all and all, creep tumors are fine as they are.

Kelberot

Brazil364 Posts

May 29 2011 11:47 GMT

#76

On May 29 2011 20:45 Probe1 wrote:
I think it would be a better compromise to just alter the AI to use the farthest possible creep tumor when placing one. Say you have 5 tumors, 2 of them behind 3 more. You place one at the range limit and one of the two tumors in the back are used instead of any of the the 5. That sucks. But having multiple selected and having a clean UI for each of them might be just a little too easy. Zerg could make the whole map home field within 10 minutes of the game and lose very little time doing it. As of now you have to be dedicated to achieving this.

But all and all, creep tumors are fine as they are.

Come on man, do you honestly believe what keeps zerg from overtaking the map with creep in 10 minutes is the faulty UI?

I can't believe some of this stuff. Creep tumor has a cooldown, it's the only thing (well that and player mechanics) that stops the creep from advacing too fast. It also takes awhile for the creep tumor to reach its full size, unless there's an overlord or another tumor around, which then becomes a mess because you dont know how far you can go, so you just try to spam them as spread as possible and as far away as possible... so if you could see the range of all the tumors, you'd spend less time figuring out where you can place them, and I guess save like 1-2 seconds everytime you tried to spread creep?

if anything it gives you slightly more time to macro/micro, it doesn't really do anything to spreading creep

Hatefiend

United States127 Posts

May 29 2011 11:47 GMT

#77

I tried to make my point as clear as possible with both words and pictures. I do not think I can make it any more specific. I am sorry

type_d

Australia20 Posts

May 29 2011 11:50 GMT

#78

On May 29 2011 20:44 Alpina wrote:

Show nested quote +

When you have multiply tumors nearby it's not easy to see that.

I also believe that creep tumors have a further range than the creep they spread. (i.e a single creep tumor can spawn a new one beyond the range of its creep spread if you were to use an overlord to drop creep at the edge)

TigerKarl

1757 Posts

May 29 2011 11:50 GMT

#79

Creep Spread is fine as it is. It's actually one of the most fun parts of the game to see how quickly the map turns purple.
You just have to develop 2 timings in your head: one for injects and one for your tumor timings.