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GomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 12

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ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 13:51:11
May 27 2011 13:51 GMT
#221
On May 27 2011 22:26 bistri wrote:
ROOT-SlayerS would be the most awesome thing ever!


Oh god please no. Keep ROOT away from SlayerS.
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
May 27 2011 13:51 GMT
#222
On May 27 2011 22:39 Blitz Beat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 22:30 djWHEAT wrote:
There are some great pieces of information and changes here. Props to GSL.

I wish I could hear their thoughts on the other reasons why some players are choosing to not goto Korea, and that's the fact that the number of frequency of NA/EU tournaments has increased 10 fold.

I honestly believe that we'll see Koreans want to travel and participate in these tournaments very soon (we're already seeing the beginning of this process). However, I'm excited to hear that we might get some international teams in GSTL. It's really been a fantastic addition to the GSL.


Wheat, do you believe the early success of SC2 is due to hype and is a bubble waiting to burst or is sustainable?

Because in my opinion, the west is experiencing a bubble. There's a huge influx of money and interest. Lots of leagues and tournaments popping up everywhere. However, A) There might be too much content/too small of an audience and B) Corporate interest will wane as the hype dies down. What the GSL and Korea is establishing/trying to establish seems to be a more sustainable and stable scene for the future where as the west seems to be trying to cash in right now.


I don't think referring to it as a bubble is fair. bubble imply's it'll burst the interest will have its up and downs but I don't think it'll burst think Starcraft 2 will have enough interest in it to keep enough sponsors in it than there has ever been in a previous e-sport and I don't think anything will come that will match it for a long time well over 5 years after final expansion atleast and even then itll still stay strong.

Daeden.620
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 27 2011 13:53 GMT
#223
I love the mercenaries idea! GOMtv once again showing that they are thinking hard for solutions, lets hope this means players will have more reason to go to korea, the chance to play in the team league as well as the main 1v1 tourney is another big plus and should be enough to turn the tide for some players.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
May 27 2011 13:53 GMT
#224
On May 27 2011 21:26 videogames wrote:
Foreigners just aren't good enough to win a GSL. They know this and that's the real reason why they won't go.


It's very easy to make these grand statements but what if it was your livelihood on the line? Would you take a tremendous financial risk and leave home/place to live/source of income just on the offshoot you CAN beat MC or Nestea or someone and win a GSL? Even if you're a contender most individuals are risk averse enough to not opt for travel. Stop throwing these melodramatic lines around.
Bombmk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark95 Posts
May 27 2011 13:56 GMT
#225
On May 27 2011 22:39 Blitz Beat wrote:
What the GSL and Korea is establishing/trying to establish seems to be a more sustainable and stable scene for the future where as the west seems to be trying to cash in right now.


Don't think its quite as sinister as that though.

Of course people are doing their best to create as much attention as possible while the opportunity is there. But I don't think any of them are doing it without the hope that it can be something sustainable.
Are they going about it the best way? That can be debated, but I doubt they are knowingly going about it a wrong way for deliberate financial reasons.

Is a specific game at all "sustainable" these days? Could be argued that SC1/BW in Korea is a freak occurence, fx. While E-sports is growing, I still have my doubts on whether specific games can be the driving force for many years, before something else takes over and would be the featured game.
Hard to predict at least.
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 27 2011 13:56 GMT
#226
On May 27 2011 22:53 See.Blue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 21:26 videogames wrote:
Foreigners just aren't good enough to win a GSL. They know this and that's the real reason why they won't go.


It's very easy to make these grand statements but what if it was your livelihood on the line? Would you take a tremendous financial risk and leave home/place to live/source of income just on the offshoot you CAN beat MC or Nestea or someone and win a GSL? Even if you're a contender most individuals are risk averse enough to not opt for travel. Stop throwing these melodramatic lines around.


I know I'd do it. If I were good enough at SC.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 27 2011 13:58 GMT
#227
This is well said, foreigners keeps saying SC2 will be a fresh start, and Koreans won't dominate it like they did in bw, proof it and go to GSL and win a few. We don't have enough Foreigners that are good enough and in the same time trying hard.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
May 27 2011 14:07 GMT
#228
Just thought I'd post here to offer props to Mr Chae and the whole Gom TV staff.

I realise that you guys probably hear a fair number of complaints from the TL community, and because this is the internet the negative voices tend to be the loudest. So I just wanted to say that there are a LOT of people out there (like me) who think you guys are doing a wonderful job and hope that you keep up the good work. GSL fighting!
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
May 27 2011 14:10 GMT
#229
Much love, thanks, and respect to Chae Jung Won for being awesome and going out of his way to get foreigners involved in the GSL.

Here's a video of him if you were wondering who he was:

/commercial
Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 14:22:38
May 27 2011 14:11 GMT
#230
Hello Chae Jung Won,

I feel like GSL has the best intentions with the players of the rest of the world however I do have some comments about your theory of the backward universe. I'd like to add a few things to add to this backward universe then that you have forgotten and weighs heavily into the consideration of foreign players.

1. Lets say not Korea but the rest have world have played Starcraft 1 intensively for the last decade and we have various gaming powerhouses who live and breathe starcraft every day and in turn this resulted in great Starcraft 2 houses too.

2. Lets say Korea has loads of online tournaments where the prize pools individually might not be as big as the rest of the world only tournament but the prize pools range from 5000 and 10000 each small tournament and its run in such a way that they can compete in several at the same time(much like NASL/IPL/TSL/EG Master's Cup and so on. Not only that Korea's competition would be at such a lvl that many players feel like they a chance at it. If they lose 1 that tournament well hell...there is allways that other tournament with the fairly big prize pool

3. With all these "smaller" tournaments these Korean online leagues have created many new heroes like a player called Thorzain who on top of that got himself a brand new team to go to more tournaments and players like white-ra who uses "Special Tactics" who are considered awesome through winning many of these smaller tournaments. Hilarious comments in some tournaments of players telling a well known caster to "GET OUT". All in all so many emotional moments to live and remember with all these great online tournaments.

4. Lets say in this alternate universe the players from korea get a chance to go 1 months to a foreign country and train only for 1 tournament. Not only that but amount of players with amazingly high skill is so dense that you feel like actually winning this tournaments is quite small and I cant even compete normally in my regular tournaments because of the amount of latency. Also I feel that I can make a good living of gaming because I won some smaller tournaments in my own region and have gained quite abit of popularity there.

Well this is quite a hard choice. The upside of going to this 1 tournaments is the chance to know a great foreign culture and maybe increase my skill and the chance for 1 huge prize pool which I may reach if get through code A with all these amazing players who could be in code S and then in Code S I might reach the finals if I plough through the best players in the world who are probably more skilled than I am. I might catch up in skill though if I practice with these foreigners for about a half a year or more. Still in the back of mind lingers..... "I was so good and popular in my own region and won so many tournaments...what happend? "

I write this post not to be trolling or anything. These are thought that would run through my mind if I was one of the top players in "The rest of the world". I love watching GSL...but I enjoy our own tournaments just as much and wouldnt want to miss them for the world.
TehRaZer
Profile Joined September 2010
36 Posts
May 27 2011 14:11 GMT
#231
On May 27 2011 22:12 Bombmk wrote:
most western players lead more wellrounded lives (the use of the word wellrounded is definately a subjective assesment, But I will stand by it).
The foreigners are simply giving up more to go to Korea than the Koreans would be giving up by going to the US. On average.

This is just ignorant. I can write about how rich Korean life and culture is, and the sacrifices these gamers are making by pursuing their progamer dreams, but it would just be futile to argue about cultural differences. (I hope I don’t have to explain why. It’s so obvious that anyone bringing it up is just obviously biased and being a jerk about it.) And I don’t see why people from non-western countries can be a fan of western idols but not the other way around.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
May 27 2011 14:16 GMT
#232
Awesome thread. Another reason why GSL is the #1 SC2 tournament in the world.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
May 27 2011 14:17 GMT
#233
NYDUS CHAE!

MERCENARIES!

Now I wish I was good enough at sc2 to go there and rock the GSL, mr. Chae pumped me all up
DexVitality
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Hong Kong234 Posts
May 27 2011 14:24 GMT
#234
Thanks for taking the time to write this post. I think the GSL and GSTL are moving in the right direction and we must still take note that Starcraft 2 is not even one yes old yet, it still has a lot if time to grow into something very big and it is a very exciting time for esports. With people such as yourself steering the ship I feel success in the future is imminent. Thanks again!
HkeSports: Tournament Coordinator Twitter: @DexVitalitY | Master League Protoss SC2 / Diamond LoL Player / Rank 6 HS Noobie
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 27 2011 14:26 GMT
#235
I think everyone was nearly in agreement with this in the first place. The other posts were awful.
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
May 27 2011 14:30 GMT
#236
Respect Mr Chae. I am sure now foreign fans will be more certain of their future endeavors in Korea.
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 27 2011 14:32 GMT
#237
I don't know what's up with that FnaticMSI guy in all posts.

But indeed this is still great news and a very good mature respone from you, thank you!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
imbecile
Profile Joined October 2009
563 Posts
May 27 2011 14:34 GMT
#238
The GOM tournaments are a big commitment in time, money and effort for foreign players, and the financial rewards are very erratic and most likely not worth it. The biggest investment and detractor is the time investment due to the format of the GOM tournaments. This isn't something to easily address, since this is also a big part of what makes the GSL special.

As it stands, the foreigners that really wanna come to compete there and are not primarily in it for the money, but for the challenge and experience and glory will come and have better conditions than ever before.

Most of the non-Korean players are not 100% professional gamers and are only finding out how to live as a professional gamer and make it work, but also have other responsibilities outside playing. Many study. Some have wives. Some have kids. Some have jobs. Quite a few have contractual obligations with sponsors and tournaments and broadcasters that conflict with GSL schedules.

So the number of candidates which can maybe have some success after coming over will be very limited, a few dozen at most. And of those few dozen most will have circumstances and priorities that prevent them from coming that GOM can do nothing about.
robin19999
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands246 Posts
May 27 2011 14:39 GMT
#239
Great news, it would be great to see Korean teams form alliances with foreign teams. I also like it a lot that Gomtv is trying to make GSL as accesable for foreigners as possible.

Keep on the good work.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 27 2011 14:40 GMT
#240
If you can make it to code S and stay there you are gauranteed as much money as a 4th place MLG every month.
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