EPTThank you for your post. We appreciate you sharing our vision. Now we hope foreigner players have the courage and sacrifice to maintain such a great international relationship. I hope they choose to.
Thanks!
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
Thank you for your post. We appreciate you sharing our vision. Now we hope foreigner players have the courage and sacrifice to maintain such a great international relationship. I hope they choose to. Thanks! | ||
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Misoza
Australia571 Posts
I'm sorry if this didn't meet TL's posting requirements, but having come home from a night on the town it's all I could come up with to coherently convey my reaction to the initial OP. Being open and honest with the community is something that should be applauded, even if the views contained are controversial, unpopular. Thanks for letting us know your thoughts. | ||
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MollocH
Germany100 Posts
 I'm realy happy, that GomTV is trying to do it's best to have foreigners in the GSL and GSTL. I hope you will continue having great success. Always excited to watch the GS(T)L I will not post something about the conditions and the sacrifices you have to make to go and compete in korea (cause we have discussed enough about it). But what I realy like is how GomTV and korea is paying attention to the rest of the world and showing respect towards the players and the community | ||
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
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chasfrank
Gambia59 Posts
As Huk said on SotG the other day, people have to decide between "easy" money and the highest level of competition. If someone would rather earn the money than become a truly great player, that's their decision. Korea is still the place to be. | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:11 Rinnegan5 wrote: 4. Lets say in this alternate universe the players from korea get a chance to go 1 months to a foreign country and train only for 1 tournament. Not only that but amount of players with amazingly high skill is so dense that you feel like actually winning this tournaments is quite small and I cant even compete normally in my regular tournaments because of the amount of latency. Also I feel that I can make a good living of gaming because I won some smaller tournaments in my own region and have gained quite abit of popularity there. Well this is quite a hard choice. The upside of going to this 1 tournaments is the chance to know a great foreign culture and maybe increase my skill and the chance for 1 huge prize pool which I may reach if get through code A with all these amazing players who could be in code S and then in Code S I might reach the finals if I plough through the best players in the world who are probably more skilled than I am. I might catch up in skill though if I practice with these foreigners for about a half a year or more. Still in the back of mind lingers..... "I was so good and popular in my own region and won so many tournaments...what happend? " All your other points were pointless, and did nothing but to hide this ONE point. This is why there is no "Problem with Korea" or there is no reason for "Korea to pay attention the West." The problem is specifically that foreigners CAN'T compete with Koreans. At least most of them can't. Not to the level to win GSL. And that is why no one wants to go to Korea. You can throw terms like "cost", "language barrier", "homesick", "culture shock" around all you want. But at the end of the day, the root of this problem is that foreigners know they aren't good enough. So instead admitting it (like some people have). Other teams like FNatic's mangement go and post slanderous material about Korea. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
I have decided to go to MLG to witness the enthusiasm of American fans with my own eyes. I'm not going to columbus, but those who are, don't disappoint!! | ||
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twoxmachine
United States50 Posts
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ZodaSoda
Australia1191 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33710 Posts
I am 100% confident that they would go. They will all fly to States to achieve their dream. Why? Simple : The tournament is worth the effort and these players have the skill to win. If you win you receive 50 thousand dollars and gain popularity from Starcraft2 fans all around the world. Barriers such as “culture/language difference” are worth enduring for such fame and money and should not be a big problem. Such barriers can be overcome if one is willing to put effort. Quite a bold claim, I must say. | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
What's your name in the TLPD? | ||
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ROOTDdoRo
Canada134 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
Foreigners declining invites and stuff because it isn't 100% convenient and making silly excuses makes me a little sad because it only proves to me that they don't have what it takes, the strength of will, to be the best. Being the best in a regular sport demands many, many enormous sacrifices. ESPORTS is no different. | ||
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Rinnegan5
Netherlands319 Posts
On May 28 2011 00:03 ct2299 wrote: All your other points were pointless, and did nothing but to hide this ONE point. This is why there is no "Problem with Korea" or there is no reason for "Korea to pay attention the West." The problem is specifically that foreigners CAN'T compete with Koreans. At least most of them can't. Not to the level to win GSL. And that is why no one wants to go to Korea. You can throw terms like "cost", "language barrier", "homesick", "culture shock" around all you want. But at the end of the day, the root of this problem is that foreigners know they aren't good enough. So instead admitting it (like some people have). Other teams like FNatic's mangement go and post slanderous material about Korea. Well ..let me at least say why I think my other points are valid. 1. My first point my was more the history of starcraft and why koreans are so good at the moment. I think it would be quite overwhelming knowing this history and that a player might think that his chances of winning a tournament in this environment is so hard. 2.Not only showing the spreading of prize money but also to stay motivated for 1 tournament could be hard. I can imagine you can stay motivated playing starcraft 2 if you have several chances to win tournaments with decent prize over losing in the first round of only 1 big tournament and waiting a month again. 3. Showing that several tournaments gives more chances for previously lesser known players to rise to the top is fairly good point I'd say. More winners gives more chance to fame wouldnt you say? 4. Showing how the situation is right now from a player's perspective I hope this brings more lights to my comments..If you dont agree its fine...at least I hope it brings something to this thread. For other reader..my original post was on page 12 if you are confused by this. | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:11 TehRaZer wrote: This is just ignorant. I can write about how rich Korean life and culture is, and the sacrifices these gamers are making by pursuing their progamer dreams, but it would just be futile to argue about cultural differences. (I hope I don’t have to explain why. It’s so obvious that anyone bringing it up is just obviously biased and being a jerk about it.) And I don’t see why people from non-western countries can be a fan of western idols but not the other way around. What part is ignorant? You yourself bring up the sacrifices the Korean players have made. Which was basically what I said. They have cut a lot of things out of their lives for a very narrow focus. More so than foreign players do. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but logically it also follows that the western players _on average_ lead more all-encompassing lives. Can we agree on that - or am I being a jerk and biased again? (And you can save the ''if you don't know by now, I'm not going to tell you'' argument for your boyfriend, btw) So the foreign players (that might go to Korea) have more stuff to give up in the equation, given their current situation, than their Korean counterparts who are already leading that life. Making the Korea > US jump require less _additional_ sacrifices than the US > Korea jump for the individual player considering either. (The end total of course being the same, give or take.) As far as I can tell thats just logical? | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
there is: 1.) The Care Bear. He doesn't like competition from abroad because he's afraid it will lessen his chances of winning the money. Hates it when invitees are invited to "their" tournaments fighting for what they feel is their "self-entitled" prize money. 2.) The Competitor (Naniwa). He looks forward to competition, enjoys have a challenge, and looks at it as an opportunity to improve/benchmark themselves with someone of a potentially higher caliber. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
I am 100% confident that they would go. They will all fly to States to achieve their dream. Why? Simple : The tournament is worth the effort and these players have the skill to win. If you win you receive 50 thousand dollars and gain popularity from Starcraft2 fans all around the world. Barriers such as “culture/language difference” are worth enduring for such fame and money and should not be a big problem. Such barriers can be overcome if one is willing to put effort. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heres my thoughts on your OP. You said you are 100% confident that Marineking, MVP, MC, would come to america to play in a prestigeous lan tournament if given the opportunity. I kind of doubt that. If the situations were identical. Your not mentioning the financial influence. The 1 month stay, the room and bored, the flights, those are all secondary to the main reason why foreigners wont come. The Money. You need to think of it from foreign perspective. Most foreign players dont stand a chance in GSL, with a select few exceptions. However they are good enough to maintain a healthy income in the NA or EU scene because there are tons (literally hundreds) of other online tournaments and lan scenes (MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly ect ect). It is way more lucartive for a foreign player to play in the Foreign scene smaller tournies than it is for a 1 month 1 shot endevour at a big prize. If Marineking, MC, MVP, ect had the opportunity to go to a prestigous lan in NA but had virtually no chance of winning any reasonable prize, because the foreign scene was stronger than the korean scene AND they were giving up thousands of dollars of prize money at home. I honestly kind of doubt that they would be as eager to make a committment like that as you seem confident that they would. In the end, most esports players are poor. 1 shot at a big prize when you know for a fact you have literally zero chance of winning it is not very much incentive. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Of course they would go, with their skill they have a good chance to win the whole thing. Just take a look at MC in Dreamhack, for example. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
I love how the GSL is reaching out to the foreign community. I know there's a commercial agenda, but... *shrugs* I can only imagine how much excitement a former foreign BW pro must feel right now. Hell, I'm feeling giddy and I have no chance of ever competing over there. Having the chance to go to the land of osl/msl/proleague and to create your own chapter in the Book of Star Craft history would fill me with joy. Yes, common sense will probably keep a lot of players @home, but I'm going to cheer loudly and support those players and organizations who WILL venture out to Korea. Those Teams and players, who proudly follow in the footsteps of a Team Liquid, will get my full fan-boy support! | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On May 28 2011 00:21 Rinnegan5 wrote: Well ..let me at least say why I think my other points are valid. 1. My first point my was more the history of starcraft and why koreans are so good at the moment. I think it would be quite overwhelming knowing this history and that a player might think that his chances of winning a tournament in this environment is so hard. 2.Not only showing the spreading of prize money but also to stay motivated for 1 tournament could be hard. I can imagine you can stay motivated playing starcraft 2 if you have several chances to win tournaments with decent prize over losing in the first round of only 1 big tournament and waiting a month again. 3. Showing that several tournaments gives more chances for previously lesser known players to rise to the top is fairly good point I'd say. More winners gives more chance to fame wouldnt you say? 4. Showing how the situation is right now from a player's perspective I hope this brings more lights to my comments..If you dont agree its fine...at least I hope it brings something to this thread. For other reader..my original post was on page 12 if you are confused by this. Do you not notice the underlying theme of those 4 points you just made revolve around "I can't win the big tourney so I want a chance to hug smaller ones"? I don't see why smaller tournaments are needed for a star to rise? It's only fighting against the best that you can truly prove yourself worthy. Look at the players who are rising in fame now, did they get popular by crushing GSL and getting #1? No. They got it by taking the opportunity they got to fight one of the top players, and putting up good games, and getting on the spot light that way. I mean think about it. NBA, NFL, NHL, Premier League, Champions League. These are the leagues people notice, these are the leagues where rising stars / rising teams are noticed. You get noticed as a true potential competitor by putting yourself face to face with the toughest, and putting up a good show, and coming back the next time stronger. I mean this is the mentality that's wrong right now with the foreigners. They want a back up plan (fine. its legitimate given its their career). But sometimes having a back up also makes someone less hungry for the grand prize. | ||
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