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GomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 11

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bistri
Profile Joined November 2010
Croatia72 Posts
May 27 2011 13:26 GMT
#201
ROOT-SlayerS would be the most awesome thing ever!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Destiny-Bonnell-II-Fan-Page/209963009023885
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
May 27 2011 13:28 GMT
#202
On May 27 2011 22:22 pieman819 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 21:52 FXOpen wrote:
^^

Sorry it came out harsher than I meant lol. Sheth is really the only one with recent form is what I meant, I havent been following SEA so Filthy Ice etc I haven't seen in a while. I also think a team like Mouz or Dignitas has more proven top teir players so I would like to see how they stack up in GSL.


*cough moonan cough*
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Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
May 27 2011 13:28 GMT
#203
Props to Gom for engaging and listening to the community as well as actively finding solutions to improve their leagues. Hopefully the changes and partnership they make will have some positive results as I like many of the ideas Gom is proposing.

I am very excited that the GSTL will be more prominent in the future, for me the GSTL format is the most exciting and produce the most epic games ^^.

One thing I would like to ask Gom is whether they have ever consider hosting like a smaller weekend tournament akin to MLG, Dreamhack..etc (maybe like once every 2 months). I think more foreign players might be more willing to tryout for such a tournament since the time and money commitment will be just over a few days instead of a month (or 2) like the GSL. This can also help circumvent many of the other problems such as language, lifestyle, away from family...

I guess what I am saying is that moving abroad for a month is a very big change while moving for a few days sounds less intimidating. Also, those that do go might have a positive experience and may end up staying for the GSL.
:)
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
May 27 2011 13:28 GMT
#204
nice read, and good post by gom caster, glad they're reaching out. Im' guessing the team is fnatic, I also hope team liquid is in there since they've made significant investments in korean sc2. like others i'm glad gstl is getting a more prominent role. team formats, allow lots of players to shine and display their talents, come through for their team etc etc.
Applecakes
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 13:29:21
May 27 2011 13:28 GMT
#205
Having a foreign team in GSTL (and just more GSTL in general) would be and is amazing :o

Also, despite the problems some players and teams may have with moving to Korea to play Starcraft, you can't (and I don't believe the players and teams in question do not) fault GOM for providing such opportunity for the foreign scene. It's amazing to see these kind of olive branches - especially after 10 years of isolated BW competition.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
May 27 2011 13:29 GMT
#206
What kind of support do foreign teams give players in terms of money/sponsors/practice facilities? Because the impression I get is that most foreign teams don't pay/provide those things even at the level of the Korean gaming teams. I could be wrong, but it seems like that would be a huge factor.

Obviously it's not just the money thing since MLG/GSL are providing transport/lodging, but it seems to me that until the west reaches the point where the teams are the foundation and call most of the shots for their players (though hopefully without repeats ridiculousness like T1's one starleague rule), we're going to be handicapped in comparison to Korea. (Maybe we're here already and I just don't know it? But most announcements I see are "this player" rather than "this team", so I'm guessing not.)

If GSL, for instance, had a roster of teams eligible to send players to qualifiers/earn points towards team league play, then it seems like you could get whole teams involved (some people have mentioned dignitas for instance) and structure things that way... idk, I'm speculating here mainly.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
May 27 2011 13:30 GMT
#207
There are some great pieces of information and changes here. Props to GSL.

I wish I could hear their thoughts on the other reasons why some players are choosing to not goto Korea, and that's the fact that the number of frequency of NA/EU tournaments has increased 10 fold.

I honestly believe that we'll see Koreans want to travel and participate in these tournaments very soon (we're already seeing the beginning of this process). However, I'm excited to hear that we might get some international teams in GSTL. It's really been a fantastic addition to the GSL.
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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
May 27 2011 13:31 GMT
#208
It's pretty simple honestly. The tournament is too long. Koreans would come to the US for a LAN tournament, but they wouldn't come for a month and miss Code S/Code A entirely and have to start from the B group again. That's the kind of thing it feels like to miss an MLG or a Dreamhack or other up and coming tournaments.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#209
I would be SOOOO happy if I see foreign team vs other korean teams

omg omg omg
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 27 2011 13:33 GMT
#210
If I actually were any good at the game I would so go.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Xacalite
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany533 Posts
May 27 2011 13:34 GMT
#211
No organisation I can think of has more eSports in their blood than GOMTV.

<3 you guys, everything you did was awsome and you will be the best league forever.

PS: I hope my undying love for GOMTV does not contradict the OP. I really like western SC2 but it compares in no way to south korea.
I feel fear...for the last time
WinteRR
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia201 Posts
May 27 2011 13:36 GMT
#212
A great post Parapa. Your interest/care for both the Korean and Western esports scenes cannot be more greatly appreciated!

These posts aimed at the community mean a LOT. I wish all the best for GOMTV and SC2 as it's the greatest esport
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
May 27 2011 13:38 GMT
#213
I think it is very simple.

GSL wants foreigners who have decent chance to win GSL.

GSL don't want people who are concerning failing in RO64 due to lack of skill, lack of confidence etc. Mr.Chae mentioned MKP,MVP,MC,Nestea because he thinks that they would go to Korea and compete GSL if they were foreigners.

Nobody wants refuse to go Korea if they have decent chance to get 92k just for one month.
Look Naniwa. He wants to go to Korea because he thinks he has high chance to win. people that like him, are the people GSL wants.
You know what I'm talking about
Blitz Beat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 13:39:28
May 27 2011 13:39 GMT
#214
On May 27 2011 22:30 djWHEAT wrote:
There are some great pieces of information and changes here. Props to GSL.

I wish I could hear their thoughts on the other reasons why some players are choosing to not goto Korea, and that's the fact that the number of frequency of NA/EU tournaments has increased 10 fold.

I honestly believe that we'll see Koreans want to travel and participate in these tournaments very soon (we're already seeing the beginning of this process). However, I'm excited to hear that we might get some international teams in GSTL. It's really been a fantastic addition to the GSL.


Wheat, do you believe the early success of SC2 is due to hype and is a bubble waiting to burst or is sustainable?

Because in my opinion, the west is experiencing a bubble. There's a huge influx of money and interest. Lots of leagues and tournaments popping up everywhere. However, A) There might be too much content/too small of an audience and B) Corporate interest will wane as the hype dies down. What the GSL and Korea is establishing/trying to establish seems to be a more sustainable and stable scene for the future where as the west seems to be trying to cash in right now.
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
May 27 2011 13:44 GMT
#215
Would a team like OGS really tolerate a foreigner in their team for the teamleague though? I doubt that myself.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 13:50:53
May 27 2011 13:46 GMT
#216
On May 27 2011 20:10 TanX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 20:00 ffadicted wrote:
Amazing post <3

I agree completely. I think all the reasons the foreigners give is basically spawning from the fact that they don't think they're good enough to win the whole thing, and instead of participating in the hardest tournament in the world for the most money, they would rather settle for easy cash in the west (players like Idra, Incontrol, TT1, etc... that could be in GSL but choose not to be). This is easily evidence by a player like Naniwa, who IS good enough to at least compete, and can't wait to go there. These are the kind of players I love, who strive for the most competition, not the easiest reward.

Not to mention ALL the tournaments that they say they will "miss out on" are online tournaments, which koreans play in..... Doesn't make sense to me. Language/culture barrier is also very silly, look how well HuK and Jinro did staying with oGs!! If you're motivated, you can overcome such things sooooo easily. And now that more korean teams are on board for housing foreigners, they will be able to have the best practice in the world, playing in the best tournament in the world for the most money in the world.....

What's not to love?


The money required to actually go there?

The time away from your family?

The lack of money-earning potential considering the small chances that you have of actually getting anywhere. (not that foreigners are bad, but there are so many other players that actually getting to the top is easier said than done)

But I do like the main post. And I can't wait to hear the news concerning the foreign team that might actually go!!! :D


Money? It's called teams and sponsors.
Time away from your family? It's called being a big boy, you're trying to do this for a living aren't you? Most of the players are old enough to not need their diapers changed. If your personal reasons to not go are more powerful than going, stop whining. It's your problem that you don't want to go not GOMs. This family thing makes people sound more like spoiled brats rather than serious individuals trying to follow a dream. Adversity is part of life, more so when following a hard to reach goal.

The only problem I see is that most teams are just too short on cash so it's impossible for them to support players long term in Korea but wth, instead of trying to find more money they shouldn't go whine at GOM to make things cheaper, especially since they did as much as they could. You want to grow the industry not cheapen it/beg for freebies, don't you?

The solution to all this is for more money to go to teams/bigger and better sponsors.
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
May 27 2011 13:47 GMT
#217
Since for GSTL you need at least 9 players my dream foreign team would be comprise of the following players:
Liquid.Jinro
EG.Idra
Fnatic.SEn
Dignitas.Naniwa
Whitera
Mouz.Thorzain
mTw.Dimaga
Dignitas.Select
Root.Kiwikaki
Someone get these 9 players together and form 1 team to compete in Korea!!!
Oriatis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria57 Posts
May 27 2011 13:47 GMT
#218
Thank you for that post, it really gave insight on the side of GOMTV!

I for my part would love to see the foreigners competing in a GSTL and the thought of your solution sounds very intriguing
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 27 2011 13:48 GMT
#219
On May 27 2011 22:30 djWHEAT wrote:
There are some great pieces of information and changes here. Props to GSL.

I wish I could hear their thoughts on the other reasons why some players are choosing to not goto Korea, and that's the fact that the number of frequency of NA/EU tournaments has increased 10 fold.

I honestly believe that we'll see Koreans want to travel and participate in these tournaments very soon (we're already seeing the beginning of this process). However, I'm excited to hear that we might get some international teams in GSTL. It's really been a fantastic addition to the GSL.

So foreigners wont go to korea because of all the NA/EU tourneys but the Koreans can come to compete in them as well as being in GSL? or do you mean guys who didn't make code A will start coming over?

Losing r 32 in code S = 4th place MLG as far a prizemoney goes and you'd need to win 10 weekly cups to = that.
Hi
Lizarb
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark307 Posts
May 27 2011 13:50 GMT
#220
I for one LOVE that mercenary idea.

Could also add to the "story" of a tournament. Team A went out and got a mercenary to help boost their Terran/Zerg/Protoss strength.

Only thing I know is that I know nothing.
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