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Parapa
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)33 Posts
May 27 2011 10:47 GMT
#1
Hello Teamliquid

My name is Chae Jung Won and I’m both GSL Code S commentator and manager of GSL operation team.

I’ve been reading the recent threads which have been posted at teamliquid.net.
Lot of foreign players have listed the reasons for why it’s difficult for them to come to Korea and participate in GSL. While I understand some of these, I do not understand others.

First of all I want make it clear that the purpose of this thread is not to rebut the posts I mentioned above. The decision whether to make sacrifices to attend a tournament which is extremely competitive or not is completely up to one’s own and I respect that. The only thing I’m upset about is that most of the reasons mentioned are something GOMTV can’t solve(I doubt anyone can), and as for the problems that can be solved, GOMTV is doing its best to find solution.
It’s just that this is easier said than done, because there are many things that needs to be considered, lot more than people realize.

Think of it this way. Let’s assume that there is backward universe; There is LAN tournament with equivalent size and prize pool as GSL in USA and tournaments in Korea are mostly online. If MVP, MC, Nestea and MKP were to be invited to States to participate in LAN tournament for a month(and they will be provided a place to sleep and practice like GOMTV is providing now), would they decide to go to US?
I am 100% confident that they would go. They will all fly to States to achieve their dream. Why? Simple : The tournament is worth the effort and these players have the skill to win. If you win you receive 50 thousand dollars and gain popularity from Starcraft2 fans all around the world. Barriers such as “culture/language difference” are worth enduring for such fame and money and should not be a big problem. Such barriers can be overcome if one is willing to put effort.

I am also aware that reaction on Korean community sites about foreign players declining invitation to Super Tournament because of its schedule have been translated and posted on teamliquid.net.
There seems to be misunderstanding and it must be made clear that those opinions were solely about Super Tournament. I understand that in GSL regular season, making it to Code S beginning from Code A is very difficult for foreign players as there is too much to risk, and that is why we made League Exchange program with MLG. However my interview that was posted on PlayXP was response regarding an anonymous Fnatic person’s answer concerning Super Tournament, who gave reasons such as “1month is too long” “prize pool is not deep enough” “there is language barrier”. I was little startled when the interview was posted as the tone was much more aggressive than I actually had felt. At the time I was doing the interview, my feelings were more like “hmm? Interesting”.

Now enough about the misunderstanding, as I’m sure many of you are tired of it as there was discussion thread about it for a week. I’ll move on the good news.

As many of you are aware new GSL format will be applied in July.
I’ve read many posts on teamliquid.net that people want to see more GSTL and also poll between GSL and GSTL.
There have been many same requests from Koreans too and after long consideration I have changed the format more focusing on team leagues.

However the problem with new format is that it makes it difficult for foreign teams to participate in team league as they will have to stay in Korea for 2 months.

I tried my best to solve this problem and although I admit this is not the perfect solution here it is.

Firstly, “Foreign players can now participate as a mercenary in Korean team”.
You may be able to see Jinro or Huk as member of oGs-TL in team league.

Accordingly, foreign players who come to Korea through MLG League Exchange, Rakaka tournament in Sweden, or come by themselves and qualify will not only be able to participate individual league but can also participate in GSTL as part of Korean team.

I cannot “force” the Korean teams to accept foreign players to their roster and have them play at least one set per match. However, Korean teams are willing to form alliance or partnership with foreign teams and they have stated that they will be happy to accept if there is any foreign team or player willing to join force. In fact Korean teams are very eager to recruit able foreign players.

If any foreign player who is entering GSL individual league and also wants to be part of team league feel free to contact either me or my assistant John. Through cooperation with Korean teams you will be provided with better practicing environment and opportunity to be part of GSTL.

Also I am open to idea of non-Korean team coming to Korean and play in GSTL. I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you.

I have provided “opportunity” through “system”, and “opportunity” is all that I can provide. Creating “results” is not my job but up to the players themselves, through their will and amount of practice.

Super Tournament is being held at the moment.
I am always open to your opinions.
I do not want SC2 to be just Korean e-sports thing like Brood War was.
My goal is to make a league which viewers all around the world can enjoy and get hyped when watching.

I was 1st generation pro-gamer myself(I’m still in TLPD) and have been working in e-sports over 10 years.

Many of things that are happening now in e-sports are changes that never happened in past 10 years. I’m sure that you too feel that e-sports is evolving rapidly.
If e-sports players and technology is running at 100km/h and if GSL and other tournaments can keep up with the speed we can create many wonderful things which we only dreamed of past 10 years.

I’m always grateful to viewers who watch GSL. I will soon get back to you with great news Also I will be attending MLG Columbus together with players from Korea. I have decided to go to MLG to witness the enthusiasm of American fans with my own eyes.

Thank you

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Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 10:55:30
May 27 2011 10:52 GMT
#2
Great response. I loved your responses to all the concern and I hope that GOMTV will continue to improve its atmosphere for foreign players.

He's not lying either http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/890_JungWon
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
May 27 2011 10:54 GMT
#3
Maturity at it's best. Maybe if most people posted like this, we'd get some constructive discussion going around threads like these.

Wonderfully proposed solution, I hope to see more foreign players attempt to try in Korea.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 27 2011 10:55 GMT
#4
GOMTV has always struck me as being incredibly accommodating to foreigners, and this is just 1 more (big)step that just reinforces that to me. Whatever the foreigners decide, just know that you are doing an incredible job over there.
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superarmy
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand422 Posts
May 27 2011 10:56 GMT
#5
Sounds like an awesome idea. You guys are always the leaders of the SC2 scene. Can't wait to see some foreigners in GSTL
Sobba
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden576 Posts
May 27 2011 10:56 GMT
#6
Keep up the good work! I have paid for all GSL tournaments and will keep doing so. Hope you can attract some more foreigners (Naniwa says he really wants to go) and grow the GSL inside korea aswell as outside.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
May 27 2011 10:56 GMT
#7
Im wondering about the foreigner Team willing to go to Korea maybe Empire?

Thanks for the post!
keep it deep! @zulison
bonedOUT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States140 Posts
May 27 2011 10:56 GMT
#8
hmm non korean team in the gstl huh? super exciting and i wonder which team it is!
Get.Midikem
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden312 Posts
May 27 2011 10:58 GMT
#9
Awesome thing you guys did with the MLG, would be awesome if you guys did the same with TSL and Dreamhack since these 3 are the biggest tours outside korea.

And GSL has always been nice to forigners in my oppinion.
AlphaWhale
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia328 Posts
May 27 2011 10:58 GMT
#10
I would love to see these Korean teams poach some young foreigner players for a few years and see what comes out of the other side.
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shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
May 27 2011 10:59 GMT
#11
I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you

Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Darthozzan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden136 Posts
May 27 2011 10:59 GMT
#12
What an amazing response. Thank you for posting your rationale and explaining your thought process. I am happy so see the care and love you have for developing ESPORTS as a whole, and I will continue (as always) to support every GSL event by buying a season pass ^^
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 11:02:33
May 27 2011 11:00 GMT
#13
Amazing post <3

I agree completely. I think all the reasons the foreigners give is basically spawning from the fact that they don't think they're good enough to win the whole thing, and instead of participating in the hardest tournament in the world for the most money, they would rather settle for easy cash in the west (players like Idra, Incontrol, TT1, etc... that could be in GSL but choose not to be). This is easily evidence by a player like Naniwa, who IS good enough to at least compete, and can't wait to go there. These are the kind of players I love, who strive for the most competition, not the easiest reward.

Not to mention ALL the tournaments that they say they will "miss out on" are online tournaments, which koreans play in..... Doesn't make sense to me. Language/culture barrier is also very silly, look how well HuK and Jinro did staying with oGs!! If you're motivated, you can overcome such things sooooo easily. And now that more korean teams are on board for housing foreigners, they will be able to have the best practice in the world, playing in the best tournament in the world for the most money in the world.....

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Jim7
Profile Joined December 2010
United States154 Posts
May 27 2011 11:01 GMT
#14
Love the mercenary idea. Hopefully we'll see other teams form alliances like oGs and TL have if they aren't able to send their entire team over but can send a few at most.

The one thing I'd love the most is to have it air earlier like they are on Friday / Saturday in Korea but I don't think that might be possible but getting up at 4am sucks compared to it airing at 11pm.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
May 27 2011 11:01 GMT
#15
The whole mercenary idea sounds awesome. I would definitely do it if i was a foreigner in the gsl
daffodil
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia109 Posts
May 27 2011 11:01 GMT
#16
On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you

Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^


it's gotta be dignitas. naniwa has talked about spending time on korea, select *is* korean and I think sjow mentioned it in the past at some point. i couldn't see it being any other team.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 11:04:37
May 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#17
Mixed feelings about this - on one hand I think the GSTL is the best platform for foreigners to remain competitive with the best Korean players (without the preparation time I don't think as much will differentiate the players) but having this easy option also discourages full foreign teams from going to participate as there is always an 'easier option' - why would Liquid who was willing once to have their entire team (or close to it) in Korea do it again when they can just lease HuK and Jinro off to oGs or another team? Also, do the prizes from GSTL go to the team themselves or the players? Would foreigners get equal prizemoney to the original players?

Trying to follow your favourite foreigner/team could also cause issues especially if players switch teams each time they go over to participate.

It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment.
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shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
May 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#18
On May 27 2011 20:01 ceciljacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:
I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you

Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^


it's gotta be dignitas. naniwa has talked about spending time on korea, select *is* korean and I think sjow mentioned it in the past at some point. i couldn't see it being any other team.

Yeah I'm thinking that dignitias has to be the biggest candidate for this. We'll just have to wait and see ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
May 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#19
Would be so sick if Dignitas joined and along with mouz they would prolly be the only teams that would stand a chance.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
May 27 2011 11:06 GMT
#20
GSL is doing a great job, and you guys do alot to try and get foreigner to go, I don't think there is much more you could do short of paying all-expenses.

With the new changes coming in it shows that you do care about the foreigners (if not from the MLG exchange program).

Cheers to GOMTV and to future endeavours!
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