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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Firstly, “Foreign players can now participate as a mercenary in Korean team” I find this to be so very exciting! :D:D I hope more of our foreign teams are able to use these opportunities more. It really would be so much more exciting if we had some of our favorite foreign teams in the GSL. ^_^ | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
But seriously -- the news is awesome, of course, but I also really appreciate you taking the time to post here and explain things from your point of view. Really excited about all the changes you guys have made to make the GSL more accessible to foreigners. I can't wait to hear the team announcement -- that seems like a huge step to me. A team going to Korea together solves a lot of the issues that players going alone would have to deal with. | ||
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dhcustom
Canada26 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:03 deL wrote: Mixed feelings about this - on one hand I think the GSTL is the best platform for foreigners to remain competitive with the best Korean players (without the preparation time I don't think as much will differentiate the players) but having this easy option also discourages full foreign teams from going to participate as there is always an 'easier option'. Also, do the prizes from GSTL go to the team themselves or the players? Would foreigners get equal prizemoney to the original players? Trying to follow your favourite foreigner/team could also cause issues especially if players switch teams each time they go over to participate. It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment. This. The OP doesn't actually address the specific issues that are creating this problem in the first place. His "backward universe" analogy just creates a circular argument and he mentions nothing about the language, lifestyle, the length/potential profitability of the tournament and whatnot. There is just no substance to his argument. So which concerns exactly from the foreigners do you not understand? | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote: Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^ yeah FX0 best bet... followed by Empire (well 0 chance but it would be cool) | ||
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TanX
Denmark92 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:00 ffadicted wrote: Amazing post <3 I agree completely. I think all the reasons the foreigners give is basically spawning from the fact that they don't think they're good enough to win the whole thing, and instead of participating in the hardest tournament in the world for the most money, they would rather settle for easy cash in the west (players like Idra, Incontrol, TT1, etc... that could be in GSL but choose not to be). This is easily evidence by a player like Naniwa, who IS good enough to at least compete, and can't wait to go there. These are the kind of players I love, who strive for the most competition, not the easiest reward. Not to mention ALL the tournaments that they say they will "miss out on" are online tournaments, which koreans play in..... Doesn't make sense to me. Language/culture barrier is also very silly, look how well HuK and Jinro did staying with oGs!! If you're motivated, you can overcome such things sooooo easily. And now that more korean teams are on board for housing foreigners, they will be able to have the best practice in the world, playing in the best tournament in the world for the most money in the world..... What's not to love? The money required to actually go there? The time away from your family? The lack of money-earning potential considering the small chances that you have of actually getting anywhere. (not that foreigners are bad, but there are so many other players that actually getting to the top is easier said than done) But I do like the main post. And I can't wait to hear the news concerning the foreign team that might actually go!!! :D | ||
GTR
51500 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:01 gogatorsfoster wrote: The whole mercenary idea sounds awesome. I would definitely do it if i was a foreigner in the gsl nothing really new. when madfrog was the only foreigner remaining in korea during wc3's peak period, he played for frienz after everyone in sk (heman, insomnia etc) went back home. | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
 Also thanks very much for the work GOM does in producing the GSL, it's still the only group of tournaments I watch regularly, great production, great casters, exciting formats and excellent VOD delivery system. | ||
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Muffinman53
571 Posts
The new format sounds totally sick. Having foreigners able to participate in GSTL should be awesome! Edit: This should be spotlighted? :o | ||
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Killainstnct
New Zealand11 Posts
I recall IM Head Coach saying that their roster is lacking and they're having trouble finding players? Maybe this sort of thing could help them? | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:08 dhcustom wrote: This. The OP doesn't actually address the specific issues that are creating this problem in the first place. His "backward universe" analogy just creates a circular argument and he mentions nothing about the language, lifestyle, the length/potential profitability of the tournament and whatnot. There is just no substance to his argument. So which concerns exactly from the foreigners do you not understand? I think his point was that that stuff didn't matter enough to affect the decisions of MC/MKP/Nestea/MVP. They have the drive and desire to play on the biggest stage for the biggest prize, akin to what HuK and Jinro are doing in Korea, and all that other stuff comes 2nd to competing. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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Serious J
Canada14 Posts
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:03 deL wrote: Mixed feelings about this - on one hand I think the GSTL is the best platform for foreigners to remain competitive with the best Korean players (without the preparation time I don't think as much will differentiate the players) but having this easy option also discourages full foreign teams from going to participate as there is always an 'easier option' - why would Liquid who was willing once to have their entire team (or close to it) in Korea do it again when they can just lease HuK and Jinro off to oGs or another team? Well, first off... the Korean teams have to accept the players. However, I don't think that there is any team right now that would want to send their full team, but isnt because there isn't an easier option. It's just that most people would prefer not to go. This makes it much easier for single or very small groups (2-3) players go to Korea for GSL. I'm thinking Naniwa for example might really love this. It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment. Its about the fame and the glory! Winning a prestegious tournament like the GSL is a great title. And of course the nice first place and second place prize pool. I think language, lifestyle, and leaving friends behind are small things that aren't really valid excuses. Thats what happens when you go to a new place -- it's an experience. And theyre not too difficult to work around. Cost and time commitment on the other hand... Well, I think its really mostly about the prestige. If you're in it for just the money, GSL really isnt a good option for a foreigner. | ||
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NightySC
Norway168 Posts
And I'm really curious about what the huge surprise is! | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote: Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^ it's most likely Dignitas. | ||
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Feijichang
China167 Posts
Foreign players used to never play for the money, and that argument is sickening, doubly so when considering the players making it aren't winning much money in the foreign scene either (Fnatic, and seeing Xeris is beginning to become synonymous with Don't Read). True competitors will be drawn to the GSL, not for the money, but to be the best. Naniwa said it best on a podcast recently that he will be going to the GSL to prove he is a world-class player. Also... a free trip to Korea is freaking amazing and seems to be overlooked quite often. Homesickness and not being intrigued by competing in a foreign country are the weakest thing I've ever heard, and obviously those people are not "professional" gamers. It's a month... | ||
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