EPTGomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 31
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tastocis
Canada14 Posts
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On May 30 2011 15:52 rysecake wrote: Go ahead and explain to me how the foreign scene is superior in any way. Take a look at Code A pay-outs and reconsider your question. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On May 30 2011 15:52 rysecake wrote: Go ahead and explain to me how the foreign scene is superior in any way. The question wasn't directed at me and I do not think the foreign scene is superior overall but it is better in some ways. For example. 1. Easier to get into 2. Much greater national diversity 3. Has a ton of tournaments, there are several going per day. 4. Allows you to play from home for quite a lot of the major prize tournaments. 5. It has a bigger scene with more players 6. Uses English as the primary language and thus most people in the world can participate in it. | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On May 31 2011 17:13 Paladia wrote: The question wasn't directed at me and I do not think the foreign scene is superior overall but it is better in some ways. For example. 1. Easier to get into 2. Much greater national diversity 3. Has a ton of tournaments, there are several going per day. 4. Allows you to play from home for quite a lot of the major prize tournaments. 5. It has a bigger scene with more players 6. Uses English as the primary language and thus most people in the world can participate in it. I don't really know where to begin lol. 1. I agree, I'll give you this 2. You're comparing ONE country to the REST of the world. You also can't deny that the reason why foreigners have band together so quickly is because they see it as themselves against the Koreans, nor do I think it's fair to say there is more diversity when you're comparing Korea (comprised of Koreans) to everywhere not Korea. 3. Several low value tournaments (aside from NASL and IPL) there really isn't anything of true value now. There is MLG and Dreamhack coming up. 4. Not really sure if you call that a pro or a con. It's a con for viewers to be honest. Besides, online tourneys across continents have little weight compared to live tourneys. 5. Again, more people in the scene is simply a product of your division of scenes between Foreign and Korean. 6. Valid But one thing you conveniently avoid mentioning though is that GSL has what I would consider more fans. Non-Koreans are watching GSL whereas the same can't be said about Koreans watching foreign leagues (aside from the big ones with Koreans in it). | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
I have provided “opportunity” through “system”, and “opportunity” is all that I can provide. Creating “results” is not my job but up to the players themselves, through their will and amount of practice. Couldn't agree more! I too feel that currently most players simply chose to be "1st in village" (easy wins in NA/EU tournaments where there is less competition) instead of being "2nd in Rome" and striving to better themselves to become equal among the best. GSL is the only tournament whose passes I keep buying because I know the content will always be excellent. Even when a rare match is not too exciting, there is no such thing as too much of Tastosis <3, and Moletrap/DoA/Wolf are way better than most other casters as well. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10973 Posts
Guy A: "There is more Money/Tournaments outside of Korea, so there is no reason for foreigner to go to Korea" You answer: "It's unfair to compare Korea to the rest of the World because Korea is just one country". Guy A: "But there seems to be no reason to go to Korea when you can travel around Europe or/and the USA, make good money, have way more chances to get "some" money, are closer to your fans and don't have to "learn" a new culture/languge/friggin alphabet that is only useful in this one country?" You answer: "They are just scared of the Koreans and don't want to put in the necessary effort to "fit" into the Korean enviroment". Guy A: "That makes no sense, when there is more money to make outside of Korea, so why should the Foreigners move to Korea and not the Koreans "out" of Korea to grab that "easy money"." You answer: "W E L L, it's expensive and hard to go to all these tourneys for the Koreans. Many of them would actually like too but they only go if their invited and get paid some of their expenses (which is ridiculous btw) because the cost is to high... ... ... ..." Guy A: "Face --> Wall" If E-Sports in the "West" grows for another year as it has since SC2's release, there won't be a reason anymore to go to Korea. Gom/GSL is doing an awesome Job to "help" the foreigners and no one is denying that, at the moment there is just no real reason to go to Korea for many, many players. Some will go for some time, but staying there is, at the moment, just no wise decision (when you don't except to win "multiple" GSL's"). | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 31 2011 23:43 Velr wrote: If E-Sports in the "West" grows for another year as it has since SC2's release, there won't be a reason anymore to go to Korea. The reason is the same as it has always been: to compete with the best. If you care about money that much I dunno why the hell you're trying to play Starcraft for a living. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10973 Posts
NOT the other way around. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On May 31 2011 23:50 Velr wrote: Then the best should move out of their tiny country and go to these big price tournaments (whiteout invites!) and grab that money. NOT the other way around. I would just say that GSL (Code S) still provides the biggest prize pool comparing to other tournaments. And if you are already the best, you would be confident enough to win the code S for a huge sum of money. Also, MLG, IEM, and DreamHack don't happen every month. I guess if they have no schedule conflict with the GSL, they would love to go to other tourneys. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 31 2011 23:50 Velr wrote: Then the best should move out of their tiny country and go to these big price tournaments (whiteout invites!) and grab that money. NOT the other way around. As mentioned above, GSL has the highest prize money. For other stuff like Dreamhack or even MLG, well, they are going to them. Doesn't change the fact that the best competition is in Korea, and if foreigners want to compete at that level, that's where you gotta go. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10973 Posts
Whiteout a direct invite to Code S (or at least A) it's just not a "smart" choice. The GSL just takes way to much time to unfold to make it attractive enough. I'm sure some will give it a try now and then, but why would you make long term plans to stay in Korea? (there is a reason the TSL house is "dieing out" and EG/Others have scrapped their plans for a Koeran house). You can think about staying when you actually are in Code S and were doing decent/good (well, you being there makes you doing decent/good) enough to make you believe that you could win it. Right now just going there to qualify the "normal" way just does not seem smart. Even with a seed for Code A it's questionable... The competition might be the highest level (but from what i saw it's in no way far above everywhere else) and whiteout really good korean skills your training also won't be better (except for extrem ladder-grinders?). | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On June 01 2011 00:18 Velr wrote: And some foreigners actually do that/want to do that? But whiteout a direct invite to Code S (or at least A) it's just no "smart" choice. The GSL just takes way to much time to make it really attractive. From a financial POV, I guess not. If you care that much about money though, you shouldn't be playing Starcraft. Right now just going there to qualify the "normal" way just does not seem smart. Even with a seed for Code A it's questionable... Quite frankly this is simply because so few foreigners are good enough to get into Code S. | ||
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colloidoscope
United States15 Posts
Go Huk! | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
Reality is how many koreans were in top 4 on TSL, where all the big names were(korea, na , europe etc as far as i know , there wasn't any tournament like that and where people can prepare for matches 1 or 2 weeks, both combined make TSL imo the most prestigious tournament yet) ? See my point. Even in MLG its kind of unfair that all 4 koreans go directly to the pools, while only 1 foreigner from MLG goes to Code S, there is 3 that go to code A, but seriously who cares about that code A? So please OP stop trolling. btw you mention MC, he has been doing pretty well RO64 on super tournament and RO32 on the last normal GSL, are u so sure he has the skill to win again ? About the reverse situation, reality is if you were to sum the total prize pool in countries that have English as a Primary or Secondary language and compared it to the prize pool in Korean tournaments, the first would win hands down. So u have to take into account European and American tournaments vs GSL. Even taking the reverse of European+NA tournament vs GSL, i would assure you less from korea would come, especially, because then it would be easier to them to attend all korean tournaments, while guys from NA have to travel to europe and vice-versa, in korea it would be in the same country making things even less attractive to go to gsl. Lesson learned is don't be racist OP, just cause someone is korean doesn't make them better or more willing to do things. | ||
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SadStarcraft
Mexico56 Posts
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woreyour
582 Posts
On the other hand we can maybe make a tournament to have top players of GSL and MLG/NASL/(any big NA/EU tourney and have a large LAN tourney with a chance of inviting these said players, expense paid, and be held in a place like WCG or TSL(finals) did. That way we can really see who is world champion. Forget the racist this and that. Players are based on skill not nationality. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 01 2011 07:37 rareh wrote: 1st of all you are implying that foreigners aren't going to south korea, because they don't have the skill. Reality is how many koreans were in top 4 on TSL, where all the big names were(korea, na , europe etc as far as i know , there wasn't any tournament like that and where people can prepare for matches 1 or 2 weeks, both combined make TSL imo the most prestigious tournament yet) ? See my point. Even in MLG its kind of unfair that all 4 koreans go directly to the pools, while only 1 foreigner from MLG goes to Code S, there is 3 that go to code A, but seriously who cares about that code A? So please OP stop trolling. btw you mention MC, he has been doing pretty well RO64 on super tournament and RO32 on the last normal GSL, are u so sure he has the skill to win again ? About the reverse situation, reality is if you were to sum the total prize pool in countries that have English as a Primary or Secondary language and compared it to the prize pool in Korean tournaments, the first would win hands down. So u have to take into account European and American tournaments vs GSL. Even taking the reverse of European+NA tournament vs GSL, i would assure you less from korea would come, especially, because then it would be easier to them to attend all korean tournaments, while guys from NA have to travel to europe and vice-versa, in korea it would be in the same country making things even less attractive to go to gsl. Lesson learned is don't be racist OP, just cause someone is korean doesn't make them better or more willing to do things. TSL was not a good indicator of anything bro. | ||
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Av4st
Canada92 Posts
Problem solved. It isn't realistic to expect any rational foreign player to spend an entire month in a foreign country to only have a chance to qualify for Code S and win a max of $1500. One weekend on the other hand would entice a lot of foreign players to try their hand. Just look at how many foreigners came out to Korea when this is how it used to be during the open tournaments. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
It's not like they want to win 50k to 100k every month or anything if they sacrifice a month in code A. | ||
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Mentor
Germany219 Posts
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