GSL is doing good however, the scheduling conflict goes a bit deeper in that it's not the stay in Korea for a month or so that's the problem. The problem is that it's two tournaments that overlapped each other and foreign players decided that MLG would be the better bet to seize victory (Going to Korea to do Round 1 = Jet Lagged, Go back to MLG to do that tournament and be more Jet Lagged, then come back to finish GSL with ultra jet lag). While both tournaments are prestigious, they probably don't have enough strength to pull off a hectic schedule like that (remember way back in 2004 when Slient Control fainted on OnGameNet during a live broadcast? Don't want a repeat of that).
More than likely this was a one time freak schedule accident. Maybe in the future tournaments can be scheduled a bit better to accommodate each other (not changing the format, just postponing the whole tournament for a little bit). Here's my thoughts on the current GSL format.
To me, I'm not a fan of the whole Code A and Code S thing. That just complicates things. To me it would make more sense to just have a major league and a minor league.
Major league can have some pretty strict preliminary rounds similar to how MSL Survivor and the lost Dual Tournament did in addition to some heavy offline preliminaries.
Minor league can start a little after the main pool for the Major league gets past all the preliminary rounds and run concurrently with the restriction that those who qualified in the main league cannot participate in that current minor league. Minor league would run almost exactly like the Classic league that GOMTV did for the original Brood War tournaments (have like 128 single elimination slug fest).
On June 05 2011 06:25 SSLPrism wrote: Wow, way to include yourself as a 'foreigner' then yet single me out because I live in America.
i singled you out cause its rude to call someone dumb for no real reason, in europe.
also, because starcraft is korea and vice-versa, we are all foreigners. so i did not include or exclude anyone in that regard, its just the way it is.
On June 05 2011 06:25 SSLPrism wrote: I have not seen the character of the players discussed, I have seen the skill level discussed, just because you also addressed something else in your post, does not mean it negates your foolish, ignorant attacks.
I hope you can see the situation more clearly, nobody wants to start a flame war, but nobody wants ignorant comments towards koreans, foreigners, or anyone really in general.
I'm proud of where I live, I hope you are too.
"foolish, ignorant times two"... notice i dont insult you even after all that. some people and their manners, really...
before this goes on, i suggest you read more of this thread, and get back to me. as i said, foreigners character, as well as their skill level, profesionalism, dedication, potenial, future - has been discussed in great length.
On June 05 2011 06:25 SSLPrism wrote: I have not seen the character of the players discussed, I have seen the skill level discussed, just because you also addressed something else in your post, does not mean it negates your foolish, ignorant attacks.
I hope you can see the situation more clearly, nobody wants to start a flame war, but nobody wants ignorant comments towards koreans, foreigners, or anyone really in general.
I'm proud of where I live, I hope you are too.
"foolish, ignorant times two"... notice i dont insult you even after all that. some people and their manners, really...
before this goes on, i suggest you read more of this thread, and get back to me. as i said, foreigners character, as well as their skill level, profesionalism, dedication, potenial, future - has been discussed in great length.
I actually have read this entire thread, I hope you will go back and do this same.
I also hope you can in the future actually read my comments and understand what I am saying, instead of picking apart words and directing them towards a different use, and misinterpreting the meaning.
Im not saying you're dumb, I'm saying your opinion on this matter is dumb, I hope you can not use generalizations, stereotypes, and typical foreigner bashing in the future, but oh well, I'm damn proud to live where I live.
On June 05 2011 06:03 snailz wrote: MLG July vs Kiwkikaki, mr Chae just translated for (very happy) JulyZerg and said "he's suprised so many ppl cheer for him and he wants to come to MLG every year", and then added "and you guys should also be in the GSL" (foreigners)
i love you mr chae. so sad our players dont have character.
Really, players don't have character because they don't go the GSL?
...
Thats honestly completely wrong... and well... dumb in general.
You know you could be a little nicer and say :
"How come they don't have character ? I was sure they'd have it but maybe i'm wrong"
There. The forum will be way more pleasant to read
On May 27 2011 20:14 Feijichang wrote: True competitors will be drawn to the GSL, not for the money, but to be the best.
Homesickness and not being intrigued by competing in a foreign country are the weakest thing I've ever heard, and obviously those people are not "professional" gamers. It's a month...
I see your points. However I think this is looking at it a bit harsh.
On the one hand being in 'it for the money' is what allows you to be a pro. If you are not making enough money to make a living at it:
a) You will not be able to afford to do it full time. Many players will have to add work to their schedule. Which means, time away from dedicating yourself to the sport. Which means your playing could likely suffer.
Which means your chances of staying pro - and making money doing it - get worse.
and
b) Its not only the risk of going to Korea and possibly not ranking high enough to quality for prize winnings ...
... its also most sources of income you have at home - including all the tourneys you have a better shot at winning - are put on hold. Its the money you lose out on, not only the money you might not make.
The homesickness thing for most guys is probably 'on top of' these two major concerns. And admittedly kind of lame if it's near the top of the list (really??). No desire / too lame to experience another culture? Well that I would have no respect for lol.
On June 05 2011 06:03 snailz wrote: MLG July vs Kiwkikaki, mr Chae just translated for (very happy) JulyZerg and said "he's suprised so many ppl cheer for him and he wants to come to MLG every year", and then added "and you guys should also be in the GSL" (foreigners)
i love you mr chae. so sad our players dont have character.
Dude,
July is a multiple BW champion. As well as a runner up in the GSL. And many, many other tourneys. And his sponsorships on top of it.
If he's been smart with his money? Then the guy is a financial baller in comparison to 90% of the foreigners.
Money does matter. Does it not limit or change your own choices? Yes.
Look at Yao Ming (I am Chinese). Yao Ming wasn't even that great of a player
I'm sorry I don't want to sidetrack this but... what....
Yao Ming not even that great of a player? The guy averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds AND an amazing FT% as well meaning he can get to the line and score points. It's only because he was injury plagued that his career didn't gain nearly as much momentum as it could have. Don't understate a great player like that.
I was refering to when he was first signed in to the NBA. He had not proven himself in any foreign league and was primarily a promising local rookie.
If GSL runs on schedules that fits foreign tournaments, short tourneys that doesn't take a long time to focus on, then potentially all the top Koreans can participate in all the foreign tourney as well. Do you think it would still be a lucrative opportunity for foreign Pro-gamers in western tournaments? I think their chances will decrease dramatically.
The GSL is a tough league. To draw more foreign competitors their reward for foreigners need to be better. It is something to strive for if GOM TV wish to expand their market. They have conquered the Korean market, and to see more growth they should and must focus internationally. My point is, if they want to be Global, they need a big investment that will draw people to go there.
Give out team contracts to play in the GSL. Pay them. Use sponsership to expand internationally. If and when they are ready to do that, many teams would want to participate.
On June 05 2011 06:03 snailz wrote: MLG July vs Kiwkikaki, mr Chae just translated for (very happy) JulyZerg and said "he's suprised so many ppl cheer for him and he wants to come to MLG every year", and then added "and you guys should also be in the GSL" (foreigners)
i love you mr chae. so sad our players dont have character.
Dude,
July is a multiple BW champion. As well as a runner up in the GSL. And many, many other tourneys. And his sponsorships on top of it.
If he's been smart with his money? Then the guy is a financial baller in comparison to 90% of the foreigners.
Money does matter. Does it not limit or change your own choices? Yes.
Think.
lol. have i said otherwise? you see, money has been discussed as well, and most agreed that while u may lose some money now from smaller tournaments, investment in your skill and more importantly popularity will bring u a lot more money in the future - if u go to korea. examples were "mediocre" foreigners in the GSL like moonglade that now have thousands of viewers on stream (money) and dozens of lesson takers (money), while before GSL nobody even heard about that aussie. and to some who really belive in eSPORTS, getting better and increasing skill in more competative enviroment will pay for itself later on, even if somehow GSL doesnt make you famous. which it does, lets face it.
going to Korea is a win-win for anyone not having legitimate reasons not to, like WhiteRa ie. i will always respect Huk even tho i dont love him, cause he put everything on the line to follow his dream. imagine if he stopped for a minute, and "thought" like u suggest to me.
I'm so glad that now after this MLG, we can finally shut up all those so called 'fans' who claim foreigner are best, they didnt go to GSL coz bla, bla, bla.
Face it. Only quite a few foreigners could survive after going to Korea. The skill gap is too big.
On June 06 2011 14:09 ehalf wrote: I'm so glad that now after this MLG, we can finally shut up all those so called 'fans' who claim foreigner are best, they didnt go to GSL coz bla, bla, bla.
Face it. Only quite a few foreigners could survive after going to Korea. The skill gap is too big.
yes im sure the pool of so called "foreigner" players in mlg reflects all notable "foreigner" players currently.
On June 06 2011 14:09 ehalf wrote: I'm so glad that now after this MLG, we can finally shut up all those so called 'fans' who claim foreigner are best, they didnt go to GSL coz bla, bla, bla.
Face it. Only quite a few foreigners could survive after going to Korea. The skill gap is too big.
yes im sure the pool of so called "foreigner" players in mlg reflects all notable "foreigner" players currently.
o wait
So glad that u will magically think of another notable foreigner. Plz dont mention WhiteRa/ Dimaga/Sen. Even if there are still many capable foreigners, are you sure they can easily rape current foreign players like the Koreans do this time?
The Korean comments in the other thread seemed to really like MLG. If they are OK with weekend tournaments, maybe GSL should host a few of their own throughout the year in Korea and forigners can go to that. (don't copy MLG's horrible format though I'm sure they can do better even if its straight double elimination.)
Although, if you think about how hard it would be to win that tournament with all the Koreans in it I bet few foreigners would go anyways.
I like the idea of code A being a speedy tourney. That makes it similar to Starleague qualifiers. In fact, I'd rather they combine the code A qualifier with Code A, it would make streaky talented players more likely to get a shot at the big time.
So here's a thought: what if a top foreigner asked for a larger salary to go to Korea on condition that he practices more hours per day? I think a team might take him up on that, especially since there are so few foreigners in Korea, the entire scene would be rooting for him and boost that teams visibility both in Korea and abroad.
On June 06 2011 14:49 coolcor wrote: The Korean comments in the other thread seemed to really like MLG. If they are OK with weekend tournaments, maybe GSL should host a few of their own throughout the year in Korea and forigners can go to that. (don't copy MLG's horrible format though I'm sure they can do better even if its straight double elimination.)
Although, if you think about how hard it would be to win that tournament with all the Koreans in it I bet few foreigners would go anyways.
On June 06 2011 14:54 0neder wrote: I like the idea of code A being a speedy tourney. That makes it similar to Starleague qualifiers. In fact, I'd rather they combine the code A qualifier with Code A, it would make streaky talented players more likely to get a shot at the big time.
I really love this idea of Code A being a qualifier/weekend kind of thing, that would be so brilliant. I also think that it would help iron out a lot of conflicts between foreigners wanting to go over there and the Koreans who live there.
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