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On May 27 2011 20:08 dhcustom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 20:03 deL wrote:
Mixed feelings about this - on one hand I think the GSTL is the best platform for foreigners to remain competitive with the best Korean players (without the preparation time I don't think as much will differentiate the players) but having this easy option also discourages full foreign teams from going to participate as there is always an 'easier option'. Also, do the prizes from GSTL go to the team themselves or the players? Would foreigners get equal prizemoney to the original players?
Trying to follow your favourite foreigner/team could also cause issues especially if players switch teams each time they go over to participate.
It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment. This. The OP doesn't actually address the specific issues that are creating this problem in the first place. His "backward universe" analogy just creates a circular argument and he mentions nothing about the language, lifestyle, the length/potential profitability of the tournament and whatnot. There is just no substance to his argument. So which concerns exactly from the foreigners do you not understand?
i suggest you read the post again.
anyway, this thread needs to be spotlighted.
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and with 1 fell swoop, Gom shows it's maturity and awesomeness, and makes fnatic managers look like fucking assholes. gg.
love that you are a frequenter of TL.net and read and take our feedback seriously. I just hope you understand that the vast majority of us, DO support gom and love everything you do for us as foreigners, and it's a very loud minority that is being vocal, while the silent majority thinks everything you're doing is amazing.
GOM FIGHTING!
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I just wanted to thank you and GomTV for your great efforts on developing SC2 as a competitive e-sport. As an old BW fan, i'm grateful of everything you have already done for the foreigners scene. I hope the best for GomTV and hope foreigners pro-gamers will go to Korea to compete with the best.
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I wonder if this foreign team may be a chinese team
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On May 27 2011 20:16 Kazeyonoma wrote:
and with 1 fail swoop, Gom shows it's maturity and awesomeness, and makes fnatic managers look like fucking assholes. gg.
you have no clue about team management and all the stuff that comes with it when you think that Xeris just wanted to flame GOM TV
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Awesome news, great to know that the foreign community is heard and that Gom's interest in a global league is genuine. Really hope more players take up these opportunities as already we're seeing Koreans become a dominating force due to their amazing work ethic and superior practice environment.
Unless foreign players start to prioritize becoming better players over sticking with the 'easy money' in online tournaments I don't see the foreign scene sustaining itself in the long term. The money/sponsorship is there and the infrastructure isn't, great to know Gom is trying to help with this. <3 Gom!
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oh and if i were to make one suggestion to mr. chae... give ogn/mbc broadcasting rights to produce their own sc2 broadcasts. i'm sure as long as they don't schedule their games at the same time as kespa leagues (osl/msl/pl/sfpl) and the gom leagues, it will be beneficial for everyone (more leagues, more exposure, more viewer accessibility).
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Naniwa said he was going to korea so it could be dignitas? or else its FXO.
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I'd like to see more pressure on Blizzard from GSL and other large organisations to implement sensible crossrealm play without massive latency. Although this could already be occuring behind closed doors it seems like the major issue in international tournaments and GSL specifically.
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Professionalism. This is why the GSL is the only Starcraft content I will ever pay for.
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On May 27 2011 20:18 GTR wrote:
oh and if i were to make one suggestion to mr. chae... give ogn/mbc broadcasting rights to produce their own sc2 broadcasts. i'm sure as long as they don't schedule their games at the same time as kespa leagues (osl/msl/pl/sfpl) and the gom leagues, it will be beneficial for everyone (more leagues, more exposure, more viewer accessibility).
it's not GOMs fault that OGN and MBC didnt buy broadcasting rights yet
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On May 27 2011 20:03 deL wrote:
It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment.
Aren't these the same problems a person face when they take a chance or grasp at an opportunity in another country/culture?
There are so many people moving to different countries and cities for jobs/lifestyle/family etc but those are the same challenges they have to encounter.
I'm sure we all agree that people who take chances, dare to fail whilst working hard, ultimately find success. Ain't gonna be easy though.....
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Chae Jung Won nim saranghae. Excellent response and I liked the previous one a lot as well. I think many foreign fans feel the same about not a lot of foreigners moving but we'll see what happens after super tourney. There will atleast be a couple new players soon. Naniwa, Sase and some from MLG.
I hope Naniwa can play with a Korean team. I don't know what would be a good fit or if Dignitas is already on this but Startale with Torch helping out communicating or SlayerS with Cella. That would be so baller, really get a good experience then. And he is gonna become a "legend". He's like the only player that would pay his own money to get to Korea to compete. Why? Because he sees that it's an investment in himself as a player. Nobody can predict the future but they are willing to bet that in time it will pay dividents. When they have become powerhouses overseas, we will know for sure. And let's not forget about Madfrog, Grubby and probably others moving to the orient and becoming (expanding their status as) legends.
Anyway another great read, thanks a lot for bringing this to our attention Parapa, and Jung Won sunbae have a safe flight and a wonderful time in Columbus.
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On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote:
The only thing I’m upset about is that most of the reasons mentioned are something GOMTV can’t solve(I doubt anyone can),
You shouldn't be upset about that, all the intelligent people should see that some of the problems cannot be solved by GomTV, and I heavily doubt that they blame GomTV for that.
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Whatever has been said, I am really impressed by the humbleness and will to cooperate that has been shown by GomTV today.
I applaud you.
Also I agree that alot of foreigners are spoiled (inControl is a huge name here, god he whines about koreans coming to MLG and whatnot on SotG), simply put; If you're the better player, you should win. Not always, cheese/allins/new tactics are always a threat and always have been... but overall the better players rise to the top and not wanting to compete against them but still wanting the prizepool is arrogant and insulting to me as a spectator and paying viewer of both NASL/GSL.
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On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^
Dignitas, with Select and Naniwa?
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On May 27 2011 20:17 b_unnies wrote:
I wonder if this foreign team may be a chinese team
Hmm never considered it. Hell it could even be a Taiwanese team. Like Tt
/me drools at a thought of more White-Ra in GSL
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All these language barriers and friends and family arguments, I dont understand. You get abd oppurtunity to compete with the very best. For me those arguments would be feasible till i turned like 14 years old.
With more and more online weekly tournies starting up in korea. I dont see one single argument not to try your luck in korea. Either as a training oppurtunity or a way to really compete in the GSL.
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It also doesn't really help the problems raised about language, lifestyle, leaving friends behind, cost of getting there or the big time commitment.
Its about the fame and the glory! Winning a prestegious tournament like the GSL is a great title. And of course the nice first place and second place prize pool. I think language, lifestyle, and leaving friends behind are small things that aren't really valid excuses. Thats what happens when you go to a new place -- it's an experience. And theyre not too difficult to work around. Cost and time commitment on the other hand... Well, I think its really mostly about the prestige. If you're in it for just the money, GSL really isnt a good option for a foreigner.
In the end, fame and glory are intangible things. Isn't money/tournament earnings one of the few plausible ways of measuring these? GSL just isn't profitable no matter how you look at it. If the competition is tough, earnings should reflect that (but it doesn't a la 3 day MLGs).
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On May 27 2011 20:22 Krehlmar wrote:
Whatever has been said, I am really impressed by the humbleness and will to cooperate that has been shown by GomTV today.
I applaud you.
Also I agree that alot of foreigners are spoiled (inControl is a huge name here, god he whines about koreans coming to MLG and whatnot on SotG), simply put; If you're the better player, you should win. Not always, cheese/allins/new tactics are always a threat and always have been... but overall the better players rise to the top and not wanting to compete against them but still wanting the prizepool is arrogant and insulting to me as a spectator and paying viewer of both NASL/GSL.
What are you talking about?
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