EPTGomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 10
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bobq
United States136 Posts
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Fruscainte
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namedplayer
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On May 27 2011 21:50 FXOpen wrote: Hi guys, I thought I would add my korean insight that I am so fond of. I love korea. I love the e-sports in Korea and what it represents.. But for anyone who has never been overseas, and is a bit timid, the language barrier is a big deal.... Real big. Although with more than 1 person being in Korea at a time, it is easier for players for sure. So I guess the best way to break the current opinion of korea in the west, is to send more than one player at a time??? That way ppl can lean on each other to make sure that any barriers are easily broken. At the same time, most koreans seem to be able to read/write english, so if worse comes to worse, get a pen and paper and go nuts!!! Nice, well written, address to the public. Well done hm.. seems like FXO is not the team that Mr.Chae mentioned. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:14 Goibon wrote: I love GOM so much <3 It's a damn shame a higher level of play isn't given the respect it deserves. Our top foreign players are currently running around casting when they could be practising. It's depressing seeing all this money flying around in the west which is sponsoring a lower standard. I hope Bomber MMA and Losira DOMINATE MLG. I don't get the sense that our top foriegner players have the work ethic to make them deserving of all this extra money which is been thrown at the western SC2 scene. yes. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:26 videogames wrote: Foreigners just aren't good enough to win a GSL. They know this and that's the real reason why they won't go. This attitude just pisses me off. Foreigners have shown that they can compete on equal footing with Koreans in a lot of tournaments - the TSL, NASL, GSL World Championship, and a dozen other tournaments so far this year where Koreans have beaten foreigners and foreigners have also beaten Koreans. Not only that but this attitude is incredibly insulting to the players who, pardon the cliche, are in it to win. Despite this, its great to see the GSL actively try to engage with the foreign community. This: I am always open to your opinions. I do not want SC2 to be just Korean e-sports thing like Brood War was. My goal is to make a league which viewers all around the world can enjoy and get hyped when watching. is fantastic to hear. The team has to be FXO or Dignitas, right? | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:32 Fubi wrote: Just as Mr.Chae said, players like Nestea, MVP, MC, etc would go to the states/europe had the situation of the SC scene be reversed. So to me, all these excuses coming from the foreign teams are just excuses to cover up the lack of dedication, mentality and skills from their players. I just find that a very easy statement to make - but harder to back up. I would grant the fact that the korean players at the top level are more focused and dedicated, because frankly most western players lead more wellrounded lives (the use of the word wellrounded is definately a subjective assesment, But I will stand by it). The foreigners are simply giving up more to go to Korea than the Koreans would be giving up by going to the US. On average. So to some extent you would probably see a bigger exodus from Korea > US than the other way around if the tournamental sutiations were flipped. But not as definitive as concluded in the OP, I suspect. Because that would also mean more online tournaments with decent prizes for the korean players at home. What I have been pondering lately, though, is why is this so important anyways? (Note: In what comes next I try not to make any claims about knowing anything. Just speculation. If I do make statements of fact, consider it an error. I am willing to reconsider anything written below.  )What matters to me is that e-sports flourish - but I don't think the korean situation can be replicated. It seems to have arisen from a very cultural and very specific socioeconomic circumstances. And in a broad perspective I have a feeling that it does not particularly help to force a connection or fusion between the Korean e-sports scene and the non-Korean ones. For e-sports to expand you need to establish connections between even the most casual viewer and the contestants. I would think that is better done by focusing locally rather than globally. Even if we would always know that the Koreans were better, I think it will kill a lot of potential sponsorships and viewership to have them constantly taking up the top stops in every tournament of note all over the world. The casual viewer will have a limited understanding of the games intricacies, so he/she must feel some connection the to players. In normal, structurally comparable, sports like tennis and golf its much easier for Joe Average to recognise the physical skill required, so the connection is made through that. That might be a quite subjective analysis, seeing as I personally feel no interest in the Korean players (I know that a lot of people do ofc. ). I can recognise their skill but it matters zilch to me which of them are up and down.The foreign players are much more interesting me - as I see much more interesting characters there. TLO, Naniwa, Idra, InControl to name a few. You can hate them or love them, but in one way or another you relate to them, when you do so. It might just be a cultural divide and lack of following the Korean scene that makes it had for me to make the same distinctions there, sure. But that will also be the case for the average spectator and consequently also for the people deciding whether it is something they want to dump money into in the form of prizes and sponsorships. I don't see the Korean players generating that kind of interest except to the afficionados. Thats all not to say that the players should not be measured against each other globally now and again. But the growing trend to make every tournament a global thing is going to diminish the interest in all of them, I think. We need our own stars. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:10 namedplayer wrote: hm.. seems like FXO is not the team that Mr.Chae mentioned. lol | ||
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Samhax
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TooN
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I know I was agreeing with you saying the other poster was BM. | ||
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Frankon
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On May 27 2011 22:11 Treadmill wrote: I still can't help but feel that the GSL kinda miss the point. It's not a matter of living in Korea and playing in foreign tournaments - HuK and Jinro have managed to make it to MLG, true, but you don't see them playing in the many other tournaments here in North America because of latency issues. TL isn't in the EGMC for that reason. And players in Korea have had to miss major LAN events because of GSL scheduling (IdrA missing Dreamhack, most notably). This isn't the GSL's fault but that doesn't stop it from being a problem. Same for language barriers, etc - not the GSL's fault, still a problem anyways. I've never really gotten the impression that people blame the GSL for not having foreigners, they're very accomodating but there are problems beyond their control. Offcourse its the latency issue that makes July, Sen, Boxer, Squirtle be on top of NASL (NA server online event) rankings.... | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9014 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote: Think of it this way. Let’s assume that there is backward universe; There is LAN tournament with equivalent size and prize pool as GSL in USA and tournaments in Korea are mostly online. If MVP, MC, Nestea and MKP were to be invited to States to participate in LAN tournament for a month(and they will be provided a place to sleep and practice like GOMTV is providing now), would they decide to go to US? I am 100% confident that they would go. They will all fly to States to achieve their dream. Why? Simple : The tournament is worth the effort and these players have the skill to win. If you win you receive 50 thousand dollars and gain popularity from Starcraft2 fans all around the world. Barriers such as “culture/language difference” are worth enduring for such fame and money and should not be a big problem. Such barriers can be overcome if one is willing to put effort. Great example right there. | ||
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Morale
Sweden1010 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:17 Frankon wrote: Offcourse its the latency issue that makes July, Sen, Boxer, Squirtle be on top of NASL (NA server online event) rankings.... Its the fact that theyre superior players, who can win despite playing in the middle of the night with terrible latency | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:23 bmn wrote: You got it the wrong way around. "Lifestyle" and leaving friends behind are the really big issues. Time commitment is part of "lifestyle", see earlier posts around how different schedules are in Korean houses, or Idra's interviews months back on why he preferred to pull back from Korea. Cost is the smaller issue. You can take on debt; if you're successful you'll pay it off, if not, you'll have to find another source of income (sc2 or not) and pay it off later. Don't get me wrong, money is important, but in the end money is just money -- as dire as your current financial situation may seem, just by traveling you won't dig yourself a hole that you won't be able to work your way out of within a decade from now. (I know what I'm talking about.) Leaving behind your entire social circle for a serious amount of time, and for reasons that they may not value as much as you do, is not something that you can simply pay back later -- some friendships will be lost, many opportunities for new social contacts will be gone. If you don't speak the language and aren't embedded in the Korean culture, there's no way you can compensate for that during your time there. Especially given that many of the progamers are at an age which is often considered the prime time to start finding serious partners and (socially) getting settled, that is not something to shrug off easily. guess what ? most korean progamer are also left their entire social circle most as early age as 13-14 to live in the progaming house and spend 24/6 playing, talking starcraft that's how they able to be as good as they are, by sacrificing their personal way of life and maybe their chances of finding 'serious partner' btw, Artosis meet his current GF in Korea | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
Thanks for taking the time to actually respond to things. I bet tons of stuff tends to get lost in translation between foreigners and Koreans. GOM has always been accommodating of foreigners though, it's really awesome to see that. | ||
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:52 FXOpen wrote: ^^ Sorry it came out harsher than I meant lol. Sheth is really the only one with recent form is what I meant, I havent been following SEA so Filthy Ice etc I haven't seen in a while. I also think a team like Mouz or Dignitas has more proven top teir players so I would like to see how they stack up in GSL. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:19 Morale wrote: Its the fact that theyre superior players, who can win despite playing in the middle of the night with terrible latency Based on that fact Huk and Jinro are "medicore" player who dont want to play cause they know they would lose? Ok. troll mode off. Western players are just afraid that koreans will come to their events and get their money and they dont try to do the same even if they are given a opportunity... | ||
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DoA
Korea (South)599 Posts
One topic I wanted to briefly chime in on is the subject of forgiegn players not getting good practice partners in Korea. The new rules with the GSTL are great, but I feel that it should be made clear that it was already easy to get Korean players to practice with. During the GSL world championships I know for a fact that MorroW played with ST_Squirtle, Sen practiced with IM_MVP and ST_Bomber played practice games with a number of people as well. cArn even lived in the MVP house for a time. All you have to do is ask and something can be set up. The Korean players were excited to get to practice with foreigners. So my point is this, if you're a player and the only thing holding you back from coming (that is, money and other tournaments aren't an issue for you) is the worry over if you'll have practice partners or just be stuck on the KR ladder, don't worry. The Korean players want to play with you! Heck, I even 4v4ed with Rainbow once... | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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