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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:39 Frankon wrote: Cause we pay for the vods/stream. Koreans don't :p you also pay for the NASL, and compared to GSL... actually i wont even go there. i dont have to. its too ridiculous  anyhows, im not saying Gom doesnt want the money, obviously they (everybody) does. i'm just saying that with their service they earn every last cent we give them. to be honest its even quite cheap for production quality! | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:40 HolyArrow wrote: Sigh. I was afraid that people from Gom such as Mr. Chae would read certain threads (pretty much all these "Problems with going to Korea" articles that people from Fnatic seem to be making) and realize how ridiculous some of the grievances are. I completely agree with Mr. Chae when he says that "The only thing I’m upset about is that most of the reasons mentioned are something GOMTV can’t solve(I doubt anyone can)." That's actually a criticism I gave to the "Korea needs to start paying attention to the West" article that was posted a few days ago. It mentions language barriers, cultural differences, cost of living in Korea being high, sponsorships, etc. I criticized the writer that many of those reasons are ridiculous, and that GomTV can do nothing about them (and has absolutely no obligation either). I'm pretty embarrassed at how those articles made the foreign scene look. All I can say is that what Gom is doing seems to be an awesome idea, and I hope Mr. Chae's post really makes some ignorant folks realize that Gom really is going above and beyond the call of duty to accomodate foreigners. On May 27 2011 21:13 ct2299 wrote: Hi Chae Jung Won, Thanks so much for taking the time to write a response to us, and we're sorry that it's reached a point where you had to do that. Please don't take Xeris' thoughts in any way, as a representation of us non-Koreans. Most of us are very happy with what GomTV has provided us. Again, sorry for the ignorant post by Xeris. I would like to see him post a response though, he's been pretty silent since posting that long article. Coincidence? Pretty much sums up all my thoughts. Thanks for Chae Jung Won for writing a response to TL. Oh, and about the foreigner team going to GSTL, i can see Dignitas, Taiwanese and chinese teams (TT maybe?)or FXO going there.  | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:36 snailz wrote: by the way, i find it funny that gomtv representatives are coming to foreigners, when it should be the other way around. its like you go on an job interview and ask the boss questions to see if that's the right company for you, even though he's the one that will be paying you and should be privilaged to do the interview. what im saying is you just dont do that, cause u need the job. foreigners are obviously spoiled by sc2 popularity atm, so we'll just have to wait for koreans to get so much better that no sane person will want to watch bronzie level play on foreign servers if i sound angry its because im so dissapointed how unsportsmanship-like foreigners are... e-SPORTS after all. Don't sit there and think its a 1 way street. GOM wants and needs foreigners in their tournament not only for the viewers but to be considered a global league. Foreigners have advantages and disadvantages going to Korea and tournaments like the GSL can only prosper with foreign attendance. GOM making all these concessions to get foreigners in their tournaments is not simply charity. | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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Vortigan
Denmark306 Posts
I've travelled a bit and lived over seas several times and part of the experience is the cultural differences etc. If u can't deal with that. Stay home. GOM is doing a very good job in welcoming foreigners i think. | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
Everyone in korea to speak english so there is no language barriers. Fly their friends and family out every so oftern to visit so there is no spending time with family excuse. Koreans to not be as good so I can make money playing this game. Have every tourney 5k+ and only a couple of days long. Fly me to other international tourneys so I can do more than just korean tourneys. Might be drastic, but you guys get the idea haha. Some people just want everything to fit their needs, which shouldn't be the case. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
that said much <3 to gomtv GSL :D | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
I thought I would add my korean insight that I am so fond of. I love korea. I love the e-sports in Korea and what it represents.. But for anyone who has never been overseas, and is a bit timid, the language barrier is a big deal.... Real big. Although with more than 1 person being in Korea at a time, it is easier for players for sure. So I guess the best way to break the current opinion of korea in the west, is to send more than one player at a time??? That way ppl can lean on each other to make sure that any barriers are easily broken. At the same time, most koreans seem to be able to read/write english, so if worse comes to worse, get a pen and paper and go nuts!!! Nice, well written, address to the public. Well done | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:45 snailz wrote: you also pay for the NASL, and compared to GSL... actually i wont even go there. i dont have to. its too ridiculous anyhows, im not saying Gom doesnt want the money, obviously they (everybody) does. i'm just saying that with their service they earn every last cent we give them. to be honest its even quite cheap for production quality! I think you didnt get it. To GOM we are the customers. If we are happy then they are happy and loaded with cash. Why was their 4 free spots for code A in the begining? Why the MLG exchange program? Answer it yourself. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:45 Mycl wrote: Don't sit there and think its a 1 way street. GOM wants and needs foreigners in their tournament not only for the viewers but to be considered a global league. Foreigners have advantages and disadvantages going to Korea and tournaments like the GSL can only prosper with foreign attendance. GOM making all these concessions to get foreigners in their tournaments is not simply charity. you're right, it's vision! ))on a serious note, even if i partly agree with your posts, i still have to direct you to phenomena that starcraft is in korea. sc2 is not bw yet, but korea can (and has) done good without the world, and unfortunately its not the other way around in any scenario u take. so i would say globalisation of sc2 is not something korea needs, but wants - to make it better. evolution. edit: this can be reply to Frankon as well. im not denying gom can make more money going global, just saying that out of two "evils" lesser one is them making money and esports becoming a thing in the west. opposed to gom staying in korea and sc2 becoming what bw is outside of korea. | ||
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Deyster
Jordan579 Posts
I know people are not gonna like having less and less tournament, but as people said, as long as there is easier money to get for the players, the greedy ones will prefer to to participate in the easier stuff and make money. I really love GOMtv, and I think they are doing a great job (in fact, they are do a so amazing job that calling it just great is not enough), and I'm disappointed the foreigners declined invitations, but I hope the future brings change to the players' to their senses. I hope the Sponsors of the SC2 foreign teams put a line in the contract that says "Not allowed to turn down invites to GSL". | ||
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:46 OptimusYale wrote: FXO going into the GTSL, I can see that happening! Hope it's a team with more than 1 good player tbh | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:47 Parapa wrote: [...] While I understand some of these, I do not understand others. [...] Interesting post and nice to see gom thinking about new, different ways to get Koreans and foreigners together. But: What exactly don't you understand about the foreigners points about not coming to Korea? You mention that MC etc all would come to the USA if there was a league with the same settings (pricepool, time, ...) as GSL. a) Unimportant argument, but I doubt that this is true - cuz then they would already go there. Why? See point b) b) The reason which at least some foreigners mentioned for not going to Korea is that 1. the GSL is tough but more important 2. in Europe/USA there are WAY more tournaments with big prizepools going on right now than "just" the GSL. + as you know it suxx to miss a MLG event cuz of the points etc. Anyways, nice to read GOM's thoughts, just thought that the opening of the post was a bit weird. | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:52 FXOpen wrote: ^^ major BM haha. O you edited your post lol | ||
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Highways
Australia6124 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
My post wasn't bm.. just to clarify :D | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
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Jonstah
79 Posts
I've always bought a ticket because I enjoy watching the koreans play much more. We have many leagues and tournaments to see foreigners play, they don't have to be in the GSL. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
The current "rate" of tourney apparition for huk and jinro isn't very high, so we can't follow their progress or their playstyles really. If we're able to see them everyweek, I will <3 | ||
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