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videogames
Profile Joined May 2011
United States103 Posts
May 27 2011 12:26 GMT
#141
Foreigners just aren't good enough to win a GSL. They know this and that's the real reason why they won't go.
>
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 27 2011 12:28 GMT
#142
what is up with these excuses like: homesick, family, lifestyle. Haven't you wanted to go after a dream or something. Go to Korea and try to be the best at starcraft might a dream for some.

If people want to be a doctor, you will have to make sacrifices. Social life, family time, and debt. If become a doctor, it will be rewarding.

I feel like people who are talking about all this problems are people who like to safe and wait for things to happen. What happen to the stories about people saving all their money to put everything on the line to make the best of life.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 27 2011 12:28 GMT
#143
On May 27 2011 19:55 Tachion wrote:
GOMTV has always struck me as being incredibly accommodating to foreigners, and this is just 1 more (big)step that just reinforces that to me. Whatever the foreigners decide, just know that you are doing an incredible job over there.


Agreed. I thought the exchange program was already announced prior. ._. On some of the teams there will still be hard to communicate. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the team he's talking about is Team Dignitas.
Keldory
Profile Joined December 2010
United States65 Posts
May 27 2011 12:29 GMT
#144
MLG Columbus gets better and better every day...I'm gonna need some bigger than a t-shirt for all the people I plan to have sign it.

GSTL with foreigner mercenaries is one of the coolest concepts we've seen from GOM, I'd love to see a few EG/Fnatic/mouz/Dignitas players in each of the Korean teams for the team league.
"LAMO"
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
May 27 2011 12:29 GMT
#145
On May 27 2011 21:24 Mailing wrote:
You cannot attain "greatness" in korea unless you make top 4 EVERY single month.


what are u talking about? Jinro made 2 semifinals and he's half diety... everyone even respects HUK for making it to (and staying in) Code S, even tho he has a lot of ppl that hate him.

just being in Korea brings a SHITLOAD of popularity, so in terms of money it can be considered as investment.

example.

who ever heard for Moonglade before GSL? hes not on level to compete with best foreigners, let alone Koreans, so how do u know about him? what has he done? "top 4 EVERY single month" ?? i dont think so.

think about it...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
May 27 2011 12:30 GMT
#146
On May 27 2011 21:24 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 21:14 TooN wrote:
On May 27 2011 20:10 TanX wrote:
On May 27 2011 20:00 ffadicted wrote:
Amazing post <3

I agree completely. I think all the reasons the foreigners give is basically spawning from the fact that they don't think they're good enough to win the whole thing, and instead of participating in the hardest tournament in the world for the most money, they would rather settle for easy cash in the west (players like Idra, Incontrol, TT1, etc... that could be in GSL but choose not to be). This is easily evidence by a player like Naniwa, who IS good enough to at least compete, and can't wait to go there. These are the kind of players I love, who strive for the most competition, not the easiest reward.

Not to mention ALL the tournaments that they say they will "miss out on" are online tournaments, which koreans play in..... Doesn't make sense to me. Language/culture barrier is also very silly, look how well HuK and Jinro did staying with oGs!! If you're motivated, you can overcome such things sooooo easily. And now that more korean teams are on board for housing foreigners, they will be able to have the best practice in the world, playing in the best tournament in the world for the most money in the world.....

What's not to love?


The money required to actually go there?

The time away from your family?

The lack of money-earning potential considering the small chances that you have of actually getting anywhere. (not that foreigners are bad, but there are so many other players that actually getting to the top is easier said than done)

But I do like the main post. And I can't wait to hear the news concerning the foreign team that might actually go!!! :D



He is providing the opportunity. When there is something great and you are a person with great motivation and conviction. You will make sacrifices. I am sorry, but there are only few in that caliber. Those who reject the idea are people that haven't experience true desire of greatness. If you are a person who wants to be the best, then nothing will stop you. Naniwa wants to go because he fits this category. Players who make excuses do not have it in them .

If you want something, you go get it.

It doesn't come to you.

the opportunity is there.

Take it or leave it. Don't complain that it doesn't accommodate you.



lmfao

"Players who make excuses do not have it in them." sounds very high and mighty and all, but the fact in those are legitimate questions.

You cannot attain "greatness" in korea unless you make top 4 EVERY single month.


So, you're saying foreigners aren't good enough to make top 4? Then you agree with the whole argument that foreigners are scared that they can't compete with the Koreans in the GSL. Like Mr. Chae said, this is something he can't control. He can't make it so that Koreans are less good than the foreigners. Foreigners need to start practicing a lot more 10-12 hours a day to become better. They need to put more effort, so that they don't need to be scared anymore.
Don't mind me
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
May 27 2011 12:30 GMT
#147
On May 27 2011 21:24 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 21:14 TooN wrote:
On May 27 2011 20:10 TanX wrote:
On May 27 2011 20:00 ffadicted wrote:
Amazing post <3

I agree completely. I think all the reasons the foreigners give is basically spawning from the fact that they don't think they're good enough to win the whole thing, and instead of participating in the hardest tournament in the world for the most money, they would rather settle for easy cash in the west (players like Idra, Incontrol, TT1, etc... that could be in GSL but choose not to be). This is easily evidence by a player like Naniwa, who IS good enough to at least compete, and can't wait to go there. These are the kind of players I love, who strive for the most competition, not the easiest reward.

Not to mention ALL the tournaments that they say they will "miss out on" are online tournaments, which koreans play in..... Doesn't make sense to me. Language/culture barrier is also very silly, look how well HuK and Jinro did staying with oGs!! If you're motivated, you can overcome such things sooooo easily. And now that more korean teams are on board for housing foreigners, they will be able to have the best practice in the world, playing in the best tournament in the world for the most money in the world.....

What's not to love?


The money required to actually go there?

The time away from your family?

The lack of money-earning potential considering the small chances that you have of actually getting anywhere. (not that foreigners are bad, but there are so many other players that actually getting to the top is easier said than done)

But I do like the main post. And I can't wait to hear the news concerning the foreign team that might actually go!!! :D



He is providing the opportunity. When there is something great and you are a person with great motivation and conviction. You will make sacrifices. I am sorry, but there are only few in that caliber. Those who reject the idea are people that haven't experience true desire of greatness. If you are a person who wants to be the best, then nothing will stop you. Naniwa wants to go because he fits this category. Players who make excuses do not have it in them .

If you want something, you go get it.

It doesn't come to you.

the opportunity is there.

Take it or leave it. Don't complain that it doesn't accommodate you.



lmfao

"Players who make excuses do not have it in them." sounds very high and mighty and all, but the fact in those are legitimate questions.

You cannot attain "greatness" in korea unless you make top 4 EVERY single month.


Then get top4 everytime then. Practice. Work hard. Jinro made top4 twice in a row. Its a matter of getting the right people to go, not just everybody.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
May 27 2011 12:31 GMT
#148
On May 27 2011 20:45 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 20:44 Krehlmar wrote:
Let's face it, it's purely economic: Aslong as western players can keep getting more money for performing less instead of going to korea and competing they will.

agreed


I don't agree. It's not that simple. If you do okay in a gsl you gain so much attention by the community and reputation. You gain so much for yourself as player...
I think the effort of the poster is really great and is showing the gomtv intrest and support for foreigner. I really hope that our communitys are growing together and in the end we are all sc2 fans.
Someone said, which ist quite true i think, that only the players will move who are really confident in themselves like naniwa.

soo i'm just excitet for whatever may come or work.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 27 2011 12:31 GMT
#149
I think this makes a Code A/S spot a lot more attractive. The worst-case becomes "I go to Korea as Code A with free travel, lose in the Ro32, and get to live in a Korean practice house for a month".

Code S, certainly, is a lot more attractive when the worst-case scenario isn't lose in the Ro32 and play solitaire in the GOM house for a month.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
May 27 2011 12:32 GMT
#150
Gom never fails to impress, good job guys~
Dear Sixsmith...
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
May 27 2011 12:36 GMT
#151
by the way, i find it funny that gomtv representatives are coming to foreigners, when it should be the other way around. its like you go on an job interview and ask the boss questions to see if that's the right company for you, even though he's the one that will be paying you and should be privilaged to do the interview.

what im saying is you just dont do that, cause u need the job. foreigners are obviously spoiled by sc2 popularity atm, so we'll just have to wait for koreans to get so much better that no sane person will want to watch bronzie level play on foreign servers

if i sound angry its because im so dissapointed how unsportsmanship-like foreigners are... e-SPORTS after all.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 12:48:46
May 27 2011 12:39 GMT
#152
Does this mean that Jinro can play for oGs/Liquid in the GSTL? Or could he always, and they just never brought him out?

Edit: Also, the GSTL format has the teams split into two groups of equal size. Wouldn't one foreigner team unbalance the groups? Does that mean we're getting two? Or is the foreigner team the tenth team, and not HoSeo like everyone assumed?

Ten games scheduled means 5 teams per group, so it's not "two teams".
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 27 2011 12:39 GMT
#153
On May 27 2011 21:36 snailz wrote:
by the way, i find it funny that gomtv representatives are coming to foreigners, when it should be the other way around. its like you go on an job interview and ask the boss questions to see if that's the right company for you, even though he's the one that will be paying you and should be privilaged to do the interview.

what im saying is you just dont do that, cause u need the job. foreigners are obviously spoiled by sc2 popularity atm, so we'll just have to wait for koreans to get so much better that no sane person will want to watch bronzie level play on foreign servers

if i sound angry its because im so dissapointed how unsportsmanship-like foreigners are... e-SPORTS after all.

Cause we pay for the vods/stream. Koreans don't :p
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 27 2011 12:40 GMT
#154
Sigh. I was afraid that people from Gom such as Mr. Chae would read certain threads (pretty much all these "Problems with going to Korea" articles that people from Fnatic seem to be making) and realize how ridiculous some of the grievances are. I completely agree with Mr. Chae when he says that "The only thing I’m upset about is that most of the reasons mentioned are something GOMTV can’t solve(I doubt anyone can)." That's actually a criticism I gave to the "Korea needs to start paying attention to the West" article that was posted a few days ago. It mentions language barriers, cultural differences, cost of living in Korea being high, sponsorships, etc. I criticized the writer that many of those reasons are ridiculous, and that GomTV can do nothing about them (and has absolutely no obligation either).

I'm pretty embarrassed at how those articles made the foreign scene look. All I can say is that what Gom is doing seems to be an awesome idea, and I hope Mr. Chae's post really makes some ignorant folks realize that Gom really is going above and beyond the call of duty to accomodate foreigners.
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
May 27 2011 12:41 GMT
#155
Interesting with the mercenary idea, how will this effect team rankings could we see IM picking up Huk and Jinro just to get them into the team league?


I think part of problem was time you gave players to enter the super tournament it seemed like there was very little notice. With MLG deal how much time between winning the tournament and finding they got a gsl spot till next gsl?

If they have arrangements already for that season could they arrange to come next season?


In SC2 it seems like less prestige is put on LAN tournaments than i used to know in CS. Back in CS people got reps for being SOL(Shit On LAN) if they didn't attend LANs
Daeden.620
Shalaiyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2735 Posts
May 27 2011 12:41 GMT
#156
On May 27 2011 20:01 ceciljacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 19:59 shannn wrote:
I’ve already received been contacted by certain team showing great interest and will soon make an announcement which will be huge surprise to many of you

Interesting. FXO? Can't be TL or EG (or is it?). Fnatic maybe? ARGH can't wait for that announcement ^^


it's gotta be dignitas. naniwa has talked about spending time on korea, select *is* korean and I think sjow mentioned it in the past at some point. i couldn't see it being any other team.


http://twitter.com/#!/dApollo1337/status/74048536987189249

Has to be Dignitas with this tweet by Apollo
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
May 27 2011 12:43 GMT
#157
This mercenary thing reminds me of unreal tournament. It's a wonderful idea IMO. Something like "wild cards" that can be unleashed at a key moment.

About cultural differences - cmon, man up. Korea is a very good place to live - it is all about individual adaptability. Learn to enjoy their food and lifestyle, which is in fact not very different from other first-world Asian cities. This is coming from an Asian guy who has lived in Surrey, Melbourne, Singapore and Japan. They're not so different - it is a great adventure, in fact, to experience both west and east.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
May 27 2011 12:43 GMT
#158
I love how people are thinking Fnatic may be the team that Parap was talking about. Somehow I doubt that they'de agree to head over after the long rant Xeris went on

gog dignitas! Naniwa fighting!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Mumu
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)56 Posts
May 27 2011 12:44 GMT
#159
I am very excited for the upcoming changes to the tournament style in July. I really like that the round of 32 will guarantee a 1,2,3,4 placement for the players. I think the GOM is doing an excellent job being dynamic and changing with the scene.

Also, the tournaments in EU/NA are growing at an astounding rate. They also are showing to be dynamic, exciting events. THe MLG/GSL exchange program is going to be a great idea,IMO. I hope that everyone in the scene can become excited about it. I feel that it rewards success in other tournaments. This is a good step for both MLG and GSL, as both tournaments have not recognized the performance of other players in the best way. An example is Thorzain. He was awesome in the TSL3, but he will have to play in the open brackets. I hope the the major tournaments can find ways to continue to be ever changing and excellent productions.

Cheers to GOM and MLG.

채정원시, 수고하셨습니다
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 12:48:55
May 27 2011 12:44 GMT
#160
I think much of this debate will hinge on what happens at MLG. If the koreans come in and take most of the top spots it may motivate more foreigners to go to korea because they are falling behind and regardless of GSL results the better practice to be had is there. If the koreans don't do so hot, or only one of them places high, I don't think there will be much change and people will continue to decline invites to the GSL.

The arguments about the championship bracket at MLG being prestigious and people having to earn their way there are silly. Any top pro can roll their way in, we saw that last MLG. Inviting the koreans and then forcing them to play a ton of matches against amateurs is ludicrous, especially since in all likelihood that will be the only MLG event those specific koreans attend (maybe if one wins they will come back for the season championship).
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