EPTGomTV caster: "Growth of e-sports" - Page 6
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drag_
England425 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:39 zaii wrote: Foreign players have to pay their own way back home? I'm pretty sure that's covered. not back home, for subsequent tournaments. so say bomber qualifies into MLG anaheim based on his results in MLG columbus, the exchange system isn't going to pay for him to come back to anaheim a 2nd time, if he wants to come he has to come on his own (or his team/sponsors efforts). which is something foreigners who have been against the exchange have complained about the koreans just dominating all of the MLG tournaments as this exchange system continues, but the koreans face the same costs as the foreign teams do when discussing "sending players to koreas is not profittable" | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5257 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:39 Krehlmar wrote: The fact that one of the biggest reasons that no foreigner wants to go to korea is because most of them are subpar to even Code A koreans. Yet if you have read/listened to alot of feedback from pro's alot of them sound less than eager or downright negative towards koreans gaining spots in different competitions. Incontrol said "well sure I want to beat a guy like MC in the finals I just dont want 8 koreans in my bracket and having this and that much harder to blablabla" point is if not a person of MC's skill then who? Some godamn scrub? What the fuck are we suppouse to pay tournaments for if not to supply the absolute BEST players, and what fucking pro-gamer is "pro" if he can't compete against the very best or at the very least have confidence he wont get smashed? Yeah ofcourse nobody wants to meet a really hard opponent in every matchup... but if you do not practice well enough to BE that hard opponent, you do not deserve to win. Oh oh oh oh, That is a very interesting point I would like to expand on. Remember watching when they pick their opponents? Like for the Code S seeding stuff like that. You actually had "lesser" player pick and want to play a champion in the first round because they want to beat him, they want to show their worth, they don't want to get the ro8 and get knocked out, they want to get the trophy so it doesn't matter when, how or who you knock out along the way. That connects in huge with what you put down as the more general foreigner way of looking it, and how that differs to many koreans. Also I already said it in a previous post here but simply put, how can you say they are better players and then not want to go there and become one of those better players? | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:44 Krehlmar wrote: Let's face it, it's purely economic: Aslong as western players can keep getting more money for performing less instead of going to korea and competing they will. agreed | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
Nice to see GOM not being discouraged and keep trying to work for non-Koreans. I still think the length of the tournaments is probably the biggest hurdle for teams/players, but glgl. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
Good stuff, keep it up. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
You guys are the best choice to watch Starcraft II. And it won't change soon. Don't cater to the Western gamers but keep doing what you do. People should be honored to play in the GSL. EDIT: Is it possible that you guys allow a "world team"? If there is a point in time that 8 western players are in Korea for 2 months. Can they make a team of their own? | ||
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TheLight
Australia410 Posts
This can be solved by allowing competent foreigners to play their Code A matches online from their home country. Once a player "proves" himself in Code A, they will be much more willing to travel to Korea to paticipate in Code S. | ||
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fearlessparagon
United States104 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:44 Krehlmar wrote: Let's face it, it's purely economic: Aslong as western players can keep getting more money for performing less instead of going to korea and competing they will. What's worse is that this sense of mindset won't allow esports outside of korea to be sustainable. Being paid fulltime salaries and sponsored by companies is more consistent than winning the prize money of the tournaments. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
Broodwar has 3 OSL, 3 MSL per year. (6) How many more leagues you want? | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:31 zaii wrote: They have to go through open bracket the next time they attend MLG, unless they all place 1,2,3,4. Which is very unlikely. Based on past results from LAN tournaments, it is actually pretty likely that will happen. The main reason foreigners don't want to go to Korea is because they aren't on the same skill level and are unlikely to get/stay in Code S where the money is, while Koreans are willing to go to foreign events because they know they are likely to destroy and take the top prizes. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:33 phrenzy wrote: Because doing well in GSL will earn them 2-5 times more than winning all those tournaments combined. As well as better level of competition, which is a big part of these players becoming pro gamers as well.From my point of view, there are quite a few foreign players that can compete on par with koreans best but I feel there is one main reason why they don't. Risk/Reward If a EU/NA player can play in 5 online tournaments a week and win between 5th and 1st place consistantly why would they give that up? Not to mention short but highly rewarding LAN tournaments like Dreamhack or MLG. The Solution SC2 needs to spread more in Korea. This is something that is out of GOM's control unless tournaments become ridiculously short to the point where a player to fly out on the Friday and come back with 3rd place on the Monday. If there were more tournaments in Korea then a player who will spend a month there wont feel like they are putting all their eggs into one basket. From the recent news of Kespa and Blizzard making "peace" there might be another major high level SC2 tournament to compete in. But right now, from what i am aware of, there is only one. So for right now, i feel that time will solve this problem. The game is hardly a year old (retail), the Korean vs The world tournament was a huge success, i would like to see more of those. But right now there isnt much other than the GSL from what i can tell. This again is my personal view based on what different players have said/not said. I may be totally wrong and i apologize if i may have offended anyone. I see this argument brought up a lot, but my question for this is - If these other tournaments are worthy of foreigners to join, what makes you think top Koreans players won't join as well? (and hence reducing the likely hood of these foreigners from winning to the same as GSL) - If the foriegners aren't confident to even get past code A to get into code S, what makes you think they will win against a combination of code A, code S, and amazing unknowns in code B (like DRG)? This ultimately still comes down to foreigners having to get better and change their mentality/mindsets | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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Pabi
Germany126 Posts
Gonna be great to see some foreign Players or even Teams in the Team league! | ||
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awha
Denmark1358 Posts
It is so positive to know and feel that there is consensus that a combined effort is needed for the global e-sports scene to flourish. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
lets put aside few exceptions to the rule, foreigners are plain and simple scared, of the competition in Korea and also that their fans will realise that they have their tail between their legs. its so much easier to compete against 10 to 20 really good players and roflstomp everyone else, rather than face almost any guy that qualifies for GSL and just straight up lose. lets face it people, Korea has done more than it should've had to make foreigners come. they haven't. i can understand someone having personal reasons, but most of europes and north american players are just declining "cuz money better here brah", which is just an excuse. if Jinro ever comes back, he will roll you guys so hard (making money in the process) that every day in Korea will be worth its weight in gold. dont belive me? just look at Idras stream, its like he's fighting guys from bronze leagues sometimes :/ | ||
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
The exchange program with MLG was a great start, if the Korean pro teams are willing to open their doors to foreign pros, it alleviates a lot (not all obviously) of the problems people who can afford it face. I hope this all works out, and the tone of this post came across much better than the previous one. Kudos. | ||
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