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On May 26 2011 05:32 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2011 04:47 rysecake wrote:On May 26 2011 04:45 Serpico wrote:On May 26 2011 04:38 Assirra wrote:On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S. And they are giving a Code S to the winner of MLG while the koreans need to go through a brutal qualifier and then make it through the up and down matches. and Koreans still get the better deal. Is there something wrong with that? Do foreigners deserve to get the better deal? Foreigners deserve a equal deal. Its pretty obvious: Getting seeded for MLG (without having to qualify/ prove themselves in the mlg circuit) >>> 1 person getting code S (have to do up/down matches, and then stay in code S for a while longer just to have a chance of winning big money, all while missing a shit ton of tourneys) and 4 for code A (month long tourney to win like 1 dollar) You treat foreigners as if they're dogs compared to koreans, while might I remind you, Jinro/Idra/Huk all have had decent success in Korea, which is pretty freaking good considering the percentage of foreigners going to Korea. So far foreigner percentage for (foreigners doing decent in korea/ foreigners who went to korea to compete), is > than (koreans doing decent in korea/ koreans who try to compete). How is getting seeded to MLG much greater than 1 person getting code S? Think of all the struggling Korean Progamers that work night and day trying to even obtain code A? I'm sick and tired of these excuses fans are giving the foreign pro gamers for not trying to compete at the top. Ever since the SotG episode where they complained about how it's not fair for MLG players things have gone to shit. If that's how they feel, then that's fine... but to hear these brainwashed fans that are completely delegitimizing the opportunity foreign pro gamers get to have is fucking absurd. If this kind of attitude continues on from the community, it will be BW dominance all over again! They're not willing to put in a month in to compete at the highest level because you can make more money pwning easier opponents locally. Ok great, with this kind of mentality, let's see in 7 years when the only time you will see a foreigner play Koreans - and soon to be Chinese progamers - are when they are getting raped during WCG. And then wondering why they didn't practice harder and take advantage of opportunities like, I don't know... experiencing KOREA to train and compete for one month. Fucking spoiled foreigner community making excuses for not wanting to compete in Korea. Maybe the attitude's a good thing. It will weed out the semi-pros and real pros. The MLG players that complain and the Naniniwas who embrace competition 100% without talk of being fair or not.
Basically sums up how i feel about this topic and the previous one. Thank you
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i strongly disagree with this article. i'm embarrassed by the seemingly prevalent attitude lately that the korean scene somehow owes us (the foreigners) something. korea has the best players and the biggest tournament, they don't "need" to do anything but keep that going.
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On May 26 2011 05:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:58 Virid wrote:
Pro players should only have one worry - getting better at the game. Going to tourny X or tourny Y should never be a question, any pro player should be able to do both without any significant logistical hurdles. Why is every tournament stepping on every other tournament's toes? I can understand online tournaments overlapping some, the time investment is so miniscule that you could play five a day. But MLG and GSL are the two BIGGEST Sc2 tournaments in their region, and they are running into each other?
Incorrect, the "pro" in progamer signifies getting paid. The whole point of being a "pro" gamer is to get paid for playing, not actually to get better. Usually being the best correlates with getting paid more, however in the current scenario, most westerners can get away with being not as good as Koreans but make more money per year. Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:55 PHC wrote:On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S. You mean, more prize money than code A? You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Notice how you deliberately left out the Code S prizepool to prove a point. Codes S prizepool divided by the amount of days spent playing is <<<< playing western tourneys doing that time divided by the amount of days playing in tourneys. Also you only get the Code S prize pool if you do really well, you have to go through up/down, then play through final brackets, just to have a shot at getting the prize pool of 45k, So, assuming you're really good you go through up down matches fairly easy, Okay cool, now you're one of the top 32. Now assuming everyone has the same chances, 1/32 x prizepool ~ average winnings. Now divide that by the amount of days you play. Yeah, not a lot of money, you're better off doing this : You could stay in whatever Western country you're from, and play like 20 different tournaments/showmatch/coach/stream and make more money with less variance/risk.
Ok, so you're defending the foreign pro gamers for not wanting to compete at the highest level because it's more lucrative to compete at home. How honorable of you.
And you expect us as fans to respect their decision? Maybe.
Do you expect us as fans to respect their skills as SC2 Progamers knowing that decision? HELL NO.
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The communication barrier and language barrier is pretty obvious and looks like most people picked that up but there are other reasons why Korea doesn't need to start "paying attention" to the West.
The GSL and other Starcraft tournaments in Korea aren't geared for the international community. They could really care less if foreigners come or not. Of course, it adds a little bit of excitement and enticement but honestly, it's Korea's tournament for Koreans who are playing professionally in Korea. You don't see Koreans bootcamping and living in America to play in all of America's tournaments or the same situation in Europe. It's unfair and completely out of the equation to call it a problem on the Koreans' side.
The gaming environment is completely different between the two gaming cultures. Korea focuses more on laddering and online play while practicing but all their events are Live, Broadcasted, and on LAN. The American scene is a bit different because of factors like finances, size of country, and etc. There are online qualifiers for some big events, online events, and etc. It's just different.
It's also wrong for blaming GOM for not having schedules out far in advance and such like the author and many other critics of GOM have stated because to be honest why should GOM care about anything else except themselves? It's a harsh business world out there and with Blizzard up everyone's ass about intellectual property and such it's already hard. If they had to cater their schedule and events calendars for the foreign world where you have IEM, dreamhack, etc in Europe for all the European players, and NASL, MLG, and etc for all the NA players it gets ridiculous for one organization half-way around the world in a small country like Korea to manage that. It was meant for the Korean professional scene and it should stay like that.
But see here, I'm not trying to say that we should keep the scenes segregated but it's really hard to approach the problem and say it's the Korean Problem (even though it wasn't meant like that it comes off like that).
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As I mentioned before, I wish GSL was just named KSL. The article written doesn't really have anything to do with Korea not paying attention to the West...just really the reasons why foreigners aren't packing their bags to go over to Korea.
The only real reason that foreigners tried so hard to get Korea for Brood War because BW was functionally dead outside of Korea for so many years, if you loved this game and had the skill to back it up, Korea offered the most opportunity.
SC2 is now everywhere. GSL has already made MANY concessions to trying to increase foreigner participation, but for ALL the reasons that was written in the article (plus more), it is NOT worth it for most foreigners to try there hand in Korea, unless they truly want to test themselves against what is still widely considered to be the best talent. I also want to put as an aside, I don't support the creation of online qualifiers etc for GSL. It just seems like an unnecessary compromise for the only real regularly run offline tournament in the world.
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On May 26 2011 05:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:58 Virid wrote:
Pro players should only have one worry - getting better at the game. Going to tourny X or tourny Y should never be a question, any pro player should be able to do both without any significant logistical hurdles. Why is every tournament stepping on every other tournament's toes? I can understand online tournaments overlapping some, the time investment is so miniscule that you could play five a day. But MLG and GSL are the two BIGGEST Sc2 tournaments in their region, and they are running into each other?
Incorrect, the "pro" in progamer signifies getting paid. The whole point of being a "pro" gamer is to get paid for playing, not actually to get better. Usually being the best correlates with getting paid more, however in the current scenario, most westerners can get away with being not as good as Koreans but make more money per year. Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:55 PHC wrote:On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S. You mean, more prize money than code A? You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Notice how you deliberately left out the Code S prizepool to prove a point. Codes S prizepool divided by the amount of days spent playing is <<<< playing western tourneys doing that time divided by the amount of days playing in tourneys. Also you only get the Code S prize pool if you do really well, you have to go through up/down, then play through final brackets, just to have a shot at getting the prize pool of 45k, So, assuming you're really good you go through up down matches fairly easy, Okay cool, now you're one of the top 32. Now assuming everyone has the same chances, 1/32 x prizepool ~ average winnings. Now divide that by the amount of days you play. Yeah, not a lot of money, you're better off doing this : You could stay in whatever Western country you're from, and play like 20 different tournaments/showmatch/coach/stream and make more money with less variance/risk.
Um...in GSL you play ro32, ro16, ro8, ro4, then finals. That's five days of playing, usually bo3 and a bo5 for the semis I believe and bo7 for the finals. What a hilarious inflated statistic, as if every player competes in the GSL every day. Naniwa played what, 22 best of series to win MLG? And not everyone has a 1/32 chance, people like MC, Nestea, and MVP have a much higher chance than someone like TheWind did. You're really just throwing out wildly incorrect statements..
The fact is that most foreigners simply are not good enough to win it. That's why it's not worth the risk. It's not even a 1/32 chance for them if they win MLG and get seeded directly into Code S, because the Top 5 in Code S would almost always beat a foreigner. Though I think Naniwa would do quite well he would possibly get to ro8 at most depending on his bracket. All the complaining about Korea not making it fair for the Western scene, it's too big of a commitment...yes, it is, because the players have no confidence of placing well. There is no reason for them to be spoonfed opportunities when it all comes down to what they could make of those opportunities.
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These guys aren't rockstars sure they gain popularity but the revenue is not large enough for them to get their own rooms especially in korea where living expenses are really expensive because land is so scarce at where they practice. Its been done this way for quite some time. If foreigners don't wish to take the invite and live the same way as all the other korean pros do then they imo they don't deserve to live with those korean pros. In the end its not about how well off your are and how comfortable you are living but how you produce the highest quality of games from pro players.
Because sc2 is so big we forget how small sc prize pools really were and how much of an honor it is to be able to make a living off doing something you love doing. If you as a player do not wish to play against the best because of your own selfish personal reason then I don't consider you to be a true world class player. You don't go join the military and ask for your own room, food, and accommodations that's just silly.
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I wrote a long debunk to Xeris' post, and lo and behold, someone else from his team just makes a different post saying the same (misguided) points. I don't have a lot of time or energy because I'm leaving for the dentist shortly, but the essential gist of my older post was:
Stop complaining. GOM already makes quite a few concessions to Western players. You go there and get FREE HOUSING. There is a small network of foreign players in Korea already (pretty sure Artosis/Tasteless will do their best to acclimate you to the new country.) Nothing like that exists in the West. If a Korean or EU player comes to America, where is the 'foreign' house for them?
Also, you greatly exaggerate the costs of airfare, as in my earlier posts I explained I'm a regular flier to Asia and can frequently sequre sub-1000 USD round trips. I even looked on Orbitz for a NEXT DAY flight to Seoul and the cheapest was $1,000, not averaged at $1,500 like you claim. It may seem like a small bone to pick, but it's a small example of hyperbole and logical fallacy that weakens the credibility of your entire argument and reflects badly on your entire team.
Between you and Xeris, looks to me like Fnatic would rather whine about issues beyond anyones' control and pretend like Korea is out to keep the white man down. How about you stop acting like victims, and open your eyes to what is actually a vast amount of opportunity available to foreign players. If anything, foreign players have MANY more options than Korean players, who have long complained about the lack of tournaments in Korea (which pretty much begins and ends with GOM's offerings.)
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There really should be more communication. I agree with most of the OP and it's all good with me as long as you managers aren't trying to push for the GSL to become an Online tournament. The fact that the players are there in person is one of the biggest reasons that GSL is so much more popular than any online tournament
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Conclusion
If the eSports industry is to be truly united, where we can watch the best of the west and Korea, at the same tournaments, regularly, then there needs to be far more communication between all parties involved.
There needs to be increased infrastructure allowing foreigners to attend all sorts of events. This goes both ways, Koreans and Westerners alike should be able to attend events in any region with relative ease, where they do not have to worry about these constant issues.
Information and communication between all the various regions in the eSports industry will enable it to reach new heights. If everyone is on the same page and help each other grow, then eSports as a whole will succeed in making it big.
I agree with some of the points made in the article but I do not appreciate the *very* misleading title in both Xeris' and this article.
Essentially, we are trying to find a way to work together to promote the game professionally and the conclusion of the article highlights that.
Shame about the article's title as I was hoping more of a "Global effort to promote SC2 professionally", then highlighting some of the difficult conditions one face. (I agree about language but I don't really see the point of "leaving family and etc" because so many people in the world take a chance to work/study/live abroad to find greener pastures/lifestyle/etc and know that those are some of the sacrifices that they have to make.)
On May 26 2011 05:52 Ocedic wrote:
Between you and Xeris, looks to me like Fnatic would rather whine about issues beyond anyones' control and pretend like Korea is out to keep the white man down. How about you stop acting like victims, and open your eyes to what is actually a vast amount of opportunity available to foreign players. If anything, foreign players have MANY more options than Korean players, who have long complained about the lack of tournaments in Korea (which pretty much begins and ends with GOM's offerings.)
Somehow I got the same feeling as well... oh well, these are opinion articles right? So not necessarily reflect Fnatic as an organisation's stance.
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On May 26 2011 05:45 PartyBiscuit wrote:
It just seems like an unnecessary compromise for the only real regularly run offline tournament in the world.
Exactly! People want to turn the qualifiers into a lag fest so they can try out without it costing them anything. Meanwhile people are still crying foul for lack of LAN, and want to change the only tournament that could actually fully use LAN. Well if you want both, you're a fucking hypocrite. Either we don't need LAN or these lagtastic cross world online tourneys don't cut it, which is it?
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I was going to criticize the ridiculous sense of entitlement that westerners apparently have and my decreasing faith in humanity--but alot of people have already posted about it, go figure, haha. I've always found it funny how people backup their favorite players saying they could compete with the best, but then say they aren't going to try because it's too risky. Regardless as to what the skill gap between korea and the world really is, that's pretty contradictory. There are upsets, but if top players weren't consistently top players we wouldn't have 3 two-time champions.
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On May 26 2011 00:21 AlBundy wrote:
Dude, this is not Halo3 or Call of Duty. Competitive starcraft is unlike any other sports or games. This is the most competitive scene EVER. BW or Sc2, it doesn't matter, it's all about DEDICATION. You lack dedication? You don't want to train for more than 10 hours a day? You don't want to be away from your family? Then don't even bother entering the competitive arena. Don't expect to be the best AND have a normal life.
Really, it's simple. It's a matter of "Do I want to compete against the best players and do I want to become the best player?"
As a spectator, I want to see the most skilled players compete against each other. I don't care about players making easy money by defeating bronze players in shitty tournaments.
Look at super tournament, in order to get to the finals you only need to play 6 rounds, plus you have time to actually practice and seriously prepare for your next opponent.
Now look at MLG, where naniwa went 23-2 by 4-gating everyone. Now THAT'S a healthy environment for the development of the competition, isn't it? You can't call that a proper tournament.
Seriously, this is all that needs to be said. Fuck the ones who call dedication 'slave labour'. If you don't want to put in the effort don't even bother, you're going to fall behind anyway. The attitude of a lot of people in the foreigner scene lately is basically pathetic.
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This article utterly fails to support the point made in the headline. Basically, the author provides of laundry list of reasons foreigners aren't traveling to Korea to play SC2, all of which are things Korea can do virtually nothing about. And since Korea can't do much about those problems, how would paying more attention to the west help? Not only that, the author doesn't provide a compelling reason why Korea should want to include more foreigners in its events in the first place. GomTV caters primarily to its domestic television audience, not the foreigners watching Tastosis. There has been a domestic competitive Starcraft scene in Korea for years. Why is it Korea's duty to include more foreigners in its domestic scene?
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On May 26 2011 06:26 Jeity wrote:
I was going to criticize the ridiculous sense of entitlement that westerners apparently have and my decreasing faith in humanity--but alot of people have already posted about it, go figure, haha. I've always found it funny how people backup their favorite players saying they could compete with the best, but then say they aren't going to try because it's too risky. Regardless as to what the skill gap between korea and the world really is, that's pretty contradictory. There are upsets, but if top players weren't consistently top players we wouldn't have 3 two-time champions.
I was also writing about how self entitled foreigners are. Its disgusting especially given that they half-ass being a "pro" when compared to the kind of time and effort the Korean's put into their practice.
And they get away with it because all of the west seems to be half assing it despite what they would want us to believe. I hope Koreans come and top 4 every foreigner event.
P.S. You can't commentate (on a regular basis) and be a top level pro at the same time. Commentating is what you are supposed to do after you retire from competition, not during it. Silly foreigners.
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On May 26 2011 06:47 Snorkle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 06:26 Jeity wrote:
I was going to criticize the ridiculous sense of entitlement that westerners apparently have and my decreasing faith in humanity--but alot of people have already posted about it, go figure, haha. I've always found it funny how people backup their favorite players saying they could compete with the best, but then say they aren't going to try because it's too risky. Regardless as to what the skill gap between korea and the world really is, that's pretty contradictory. There are upsets, but if top players weren't consistently top players we wouldn't have 3 two-time champions. I was also writing about how self entitled foreigners are. Its disgusting especially given that they half-ass being a "pro" when compared to the kind of time and effort the Korean's put into their practice. And they get away with it because all of the west seems to be half assing it despite what they would want us to believe. I hope Koreans come and top 4 every foreigner event. P.S. You can't commentate (on a regular basis) and be a top level pro at the same time. Commentating is what you are supposed to do after you retire from competition, not during it. Silly foreigners.
The lazy attitude is going to come back and bite them thats for sure. A lot of foreigners are going to be relegated to smaller tournaments thats for sure (or simply losing in the bigger ones), and the whole 'not allowing Koreans to play' thing will undoubtedly come up again.
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On May 26 2011 05:43 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 05:00 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2011 04:58 Virid wrote:
Pro players should only have one worry - getting better at the game. Going to tourny X or tourny Y should never be a question, any pro player should be able to do both without any significant logistical hurdles. Why is every tournament stepping on every other tournament's toes? I can understand online tournaments overlapping some, the time investment is so miniscule that you could play five a day. But MLG and GSL are the two BIGGEST Sc2 tournaments in their region, and they are running into each other?
Incorrect, the "pro" in progamer signifies getting paid. The whole point of being a "pro" gamer is to get paid for playing, not actually to get better. Usually being the best correlates with getting paid more, however in the current scenario, most westerners can get away with being not as good as Koreans but make more money per year. On May 26 2011 04:55 PHC wrote:On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S. You mean, more prize money than code A? You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Notice how you deliberately left out the Code S prizepool to prove a point. Codes S prizepool divided by the amount of days spent playing is <<<< playing western tourneys doing that time divided by the amount of days playing in tourneys. Also you only get the Code S prize pool if you do really well, you have to go through up/down, then play through final brackets, just to have a shot at getting the prize pool of 45k, So, assuming you're really good you go through up down matches fairly easy, Okay cool, now you're one of the top 32. Now assuming everyone has the same chances, 1/32 x prizepool ~ average winnings. Now divide that by the amount of days you play. Yeah, not a lot of money, you're better off doing this : You could stay in whatever Western country you're from, and play like 20 different tournaments/showmatch/coach/stream and make more money with less variance/risk. Ok, so you're defending the foreign pro gamers for not wanting to compete at the highest level because it's more lucrative to compete at home. How honorable of you. And you expect us as fans to respect their decision? Maybe. Do you expect us as fans to respect their skills as SC2 Progamers knowing that decision? HELL NO.
I'm not defending them, I'm merely pointing out the truth. Lets put it this way, would you rather do 1 days worth of work for 100 dollars? or 30days of work for 300
Simple maths.
And if everyone read my earlier post, I put a pretty good system of how sc2 can be integrated world wide.
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On May 26 2011 06:37 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 00:21 AlBundy wrote:
Dude, this is not Halo3 or Call of Duty. Competitive starcraft is unlike any other sports or games. This is the most competitive scene EVER. BW or Sc2, it doesn't matter, it's all about DEDICATION. You lack dedication? You don't want to train for more than 10 hours a day? You don't want to be away from your family? Then don't even bother entering the competitive arena. Don't expect to be the best AND have a normal life.
Really, it's simple. It's a matter of "Do I want to compete against the best players and do I want to become the best player?"
As a spectator, I want to see the most skilled players compete against each other. I don't care about players making easy money by defeating bronze players in shitty tournaments.
Look at super tournament, in order to get to the finals you only need to play 6 rounds, plus you have time to actually practice and seriously prepare for your next opponent.
Now look at MLG, where naniwa went 23-2 by 4-gating everyone. Now THAT'S a healthy environment for the development of the competition, isn't it? You can't call that a proper tournament. Seriously, this is all that needs to be said. Fuck the ones who call dedication 'slave labour'. If you don't want to put in the effort don't even bother, you're going to fall behind anyway. The attitude of a lot of people in the foreigner scene lately is basically pathetic.
Obviously someone hasn't kept up w/ the history of KeSpa, I don't want SC2 to end up like SC:BW in terms of how its run.
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On May 26 2011 07:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 05:43 PHC wrote:On May 26 2011 05:00 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2011 04:58 Virid wrote:
Pro players should only have one worry - getting better at the game. Going to tourny X or tourny Y should never be a question, any pro player should be able to do both without any significant logistical hurdles. Why is every tournament stepping on every other tournament's toes? I can understand online tournaments overlapping some, the time investment is so miniscule that you could play five a day. But MLG and GSL are the two BIGGEST Sc2 tournaments in their region, and they are running into each other?
Incorrect, the "pro" in progamer signifies getting paid. The whole point of being a "pro" gamer is to get paid for playing, not actually to get better. Usually being the best correlates with getting paid more, however in the current scenario, most westerners can get away with being not as good as Koreans but make more money per year. On May 26 2011 04:55 PHC wrote:On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S. You mean, more prize money than code A? You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Notice how you deliberately left out the Code S prizepool to prove a point. Codes S prizepool divided by the amount of days spent playing is <<<< playing western tourneys doing that time divided by the amount of days playing in tourneys. Also you only get the Code S prize pool if you do really well, you have to go through up/down, then play through final brackets, just to have a shot at getting the prize pool of 45k, So, assuming you're really good you go through up down matches fairly easy, Okay cool, now you're one of the top 32. Now assuming everyone has the same chances, 1/32 x prizepool ~ average winnings. Now divide that by the amount of days you play. Yeah, not a lot of money, you're better off doing this : You could stay in whatever Western country you're from, and play like 20 different tournaments/showmatch/coach/stream and make more money with less variance/risk. Ok, so you're defending the foreign pro gamers for not wanting to compete at the highest level because it's more lucrative to compete at home. How honorable of you. And you expect us as fans to respect their decision? Maybe. Do you expect us as fans to respect their skills as SC2 Progamers knowing that decision? HELL NO. I'm not defending them, I'm merely pointing out the truth. Lets put it this way, would you rather do 1 days worth of work for 100 dollars? or 30days of work for 300 Simple maths. And if everyone read my earlier post, I put a pretty good system of how sc2 can be integrated world wide.
...What are you even talking about? 30 days of work for 300 or 1 day of work for 100? Why are you just pulling random numbers out of no where? The only people who would get 300 dollars for 30 days of work would be people who got to like Ro8 in Code A, which would mean they played 2 best of threes, which doesn't take 30 days.
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On May 26 2011 07:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 06:37 infinity2k9 wrote:On May 26 2011 00:21 AlBundy wrote:
Dude, this is not Halo3 or Call of Duty. Competitive starcraft is unlike any other sports or games. This is the most competitive scene EVER. BW or Sc2, it doesn't matter, it's all about DEDICATION. You lack dedication? You don't want to train for more than 10 hours a day? You don't want to be away from your family? Then don't even bother entering the competitive arena. Don't expect to be the best AND have a normal life.
Really, it's simple. It's a matter of "Do I want to compete against the best players and do I want to become the best player?"
As a spectator, I want to see the most skilled players compete against each other. I don't care about players making easy money by defeating bronze players in shitty tournaments.
Look at super tournament, in order to get to the finals you only need to play 6 rounds, plus you have time to actually practice and seriously prepare for your next opponent.
Now look at MLG, where naniwa went 23-2 by 4-gating everyone. Now THAT'S a healthy environment for the development of the competition, isn't it? You can't call that a proper tournament. Seriously, this is all that needs to be said. Fuck the ones who call dedication 'slave labour'. If you don't want to put in the effort don't even bother, you're going to fall behind anyway. The attitude of a lot of people in the foreigner scene lately is basically pathetic. Obviously someone hasn't kept up w/ the history of KeSpa, I don't want SC2 to end up like SC:BW in terms of how its run.
You are trying to pick a fight with infinity2k9. This guy has followed the BW scene for a lot longer than you. All jokes aside, SC2 will never end up like BW in how its 'run.' I don't think you realize how silly you just made yourself look.
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