Korea needs to start paying attention to the West - Page 16

TheSubtleArt

Canada2527 Posts

May 26 2011 21:29 GMT

#301

On May 27 2011 06:19 Baarn wrote:

Do you really enjoy stirring the pot and creating some conflict that doesn't exist in every thread you join? Just an observation I've made lately.

He just likes to think he knows more than people who are actually involved in progaming.

ct2299

380 Posts

May 27 2011 15:19 GMT

#302

I totally don't agree with your posts and here is why, since you want reasons.

Western cultures are far different from that of Asian cultures such as that in Korea. Moving from a nice familiar home where you would have your own room, privacy and the freedom to do as you please to a house where you share a room with multiple people you probably do not know personally and share everything can be quite difficult. It takes a lot of time and effort to make this new unfamiliar destination your home.

Okay. REALLY bad misconception here. "Asians" or "Koreans" don't ENJOY spending time living/sleeping in cramped quarters either. Sure the average square footage per person is much less than say in North America, but we all like privacy too. Irregardless of room size, most of us in Asia enjoy having our own rooms too. You think the Koreans didn't have to "adjust" to sharing a room with multiple people? If you think living like that is the norm, you are VERY misinformed.

This leaves players with the option of going to the GSL foreigner house. The GSL foreigner house – open to any gamers wishing to try their hand at entering the GSL is a wonderful idea. The house has all of your basic needs, a place to sleep, a bathroom and shower, and a room for you to set up practice Starcraft 2. However, it does not come equipped with professional gamers or any additional means of getting good practice. Players are left to their own devices, which usually ends up with them laddering on the Korean ladder.

Well wasn't the idea of the foreigner house to have people together to practice?

Anyways, the cost of moving to Korea thing is a bit irrelevant because GomTV said they will be paying for the players who win MLG etc to go to Korea. If you're talking about a team sending someone there, I don't see why GOM should have to foot the bill for everyone, even those who didn't even qualify yet, that just seems a bit greedy if you ask me.

While you are in Korea for one month, you are missing countless online and LAN tournaments alike. If you move to Korea for one month to focus solely on the GSL, you are forgoing an average of $19,000 USD in potential earnings every 15 days¹.

This is a horrible calculation. I don't even know where to begin. In the most recent TL roundup, I don't think I recall seeing anyone win more than 2 events. If you're saying attending GSL is forgoing a "potential" $19,000 without any regard for the actual possibility of winning it all, then I might as well say by not going to GSL a player is forgoing a "potential" $40,000 as well.

Your point on sponsors is valid, but I'm not too sure what point you are trying to make there since I don't know what you expect. You want Koreans to sponsor some random foreign team that "may or may not" go to Korea?

To be honest, I feel this article was put together pretty poorly. I don't really know what you expect from GOM. Do you want them to send a plane to pick up your players? Put them in a house and find gamers for them to practice with as well? I honestly feel the whole part about "adjusting to the lifestyle, language barrier and "rules"" part to be a bit bull-shitty (excuse my language) and just seems like an excuse for someone who doesn't want to leave their comfort zone and experience new things in life. I mean honestly, the "food" is new? How new is Korean food? I mean, maybe I'm lucky to say I can have it, but most places I've been to have Korean food in some shape or form.

I also feel the title of your article to be very obnoxious, as if Korean OWES the West something. I feel you really need to reword this post, because right now all it does is come across as ANOTHER attack from FNatic on GOM, which I don't think is very fair at all.

Vaeila

Netherlands336 Posts

May 27 2011 15:25 GMT

#303

In my opinion South Korea has nothing to prove in SC 2, they have a history of being the better gamers in Starcraft by MILES. The western world keeps claiming that they are catching up, but when I see a finals between for example Naniwa and Select (two excellent westerners) I can't help thinking "what if it was Naniwa vs. Nestea" or "what if it was Select vs MVP". Untill the foreigners move to Korea and actually start competing and prove that they are better than said Koreans this thought will always excist in the heads of many western spectators. When Koreans watch a GSL finals they wont think "what if it wasnt Inca playing but Naniwa" because those foreigners have not proven themselves to the Koreans. If SC2 keeps heading the way it is and teams like Fnatic keep their current stance SC2 will evolve just like BW.

shadymmj

1906 Posts

May 27 2011 16:21 GMT

#304

It is better that foreigners intending to participate in Korea first and foremost take some Korean classes. With couple of hours studying a day, you can pick up the basics of the language in 3 months or less.

I think GOM needs to do something a bit more if they want the GSL to be truly global, and that is to provide incentives for the current teams to take foreigners under their wings - to provide them with:

1) friends in a new environment
2) practice partners
3) a listening ear for any problems

As for residential concerns I think the foreigner house is still the best place to live in, because sharing a bedroom with 5 other people is extremely awkward. It is perhaps possible to travel to the team house to practice, and return back home at the end of the day, just like the whole work routine. Ultimately, GOM should help foreigners fit into Korea by giving a hand with the basic necessities of life, which they have tried to, except it's currently missing the social and practice partner bit.

Foreigners need to go in with an open mind, knowledge of basic korean and a friendly attitude. Sadly, the typical progamer nerd mindset is going to be a huge drawback here. You can't have tunnel-vision on winning at starcraft if you want to remain in korea, or any foreign country, for the long term. You have to first adapt, then start playing serious starcraft. Take it as an opportunity to try some delicious new food and do things that many other people will not get the chance to.

ct2299

380 Posts

May 30 2011 08:35 GMT

#305

I have to say I'm pretty disappointed that both xeris and fam type up an article each that is terribly misinformed, post it on this forum, and when people provide valid arguments, the two of them are nowhere to be found to discuss it.

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