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First "The Problem with Korea" and now "It is time for Korea to pay attention to the West".
Who the fuck are you to tell them what they need to do or what Korea has to do. Korea does not "need" to do jack shit. GOM has done strides for getting foreigners involved and they are STILL complaining? They produce the best players...Korea flies a player over to a foreign tournament and stomps them time and time again. What exactly do they have to learn from the West? Shouldn't the fact the very best SC2 players in the world are playing there a reason enough? Maybe the free computers, free team house, code A and code S seeds, and English commentators are not enough. Good God way to perpetuate the "lazy, spoiled, Yankee" stereotype in Korea.
I hope those idiots managing Fnatic.MSI stop these kinds of posts before it gets too late for them.
Those two posts make MSI look reaaaally bad and if Korean netizens got wind of them and read the response it's getting from the foreigner community... MSI can kiss their chances good bye with any kind of competitive revenue they get from Korea if this keeps up. Did you forget Korea has a lot of pride, especially with their Starcraft?
I'm still shocked they posted this on their site. I hope they don't think the posts speak for all of the foreigner community. Holy fuck.
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As long as Korea has the best players, they don't really have to pay attention to the west.
All the success in the west is riding on Korea's success in BW. I am not convinced we have reached a level where Korea needs to care about us yet.
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On May 26 2011 03:11 PHC wrote:
First "The Problem with Korea" and now "It is time for Korea to pay attention to the West".
Who the fuck are you to tell them what they need to do or what Korea has to do. Korea does not "need" to do jack shit. GOM has done strides for getting foreigners involved and they are STILL complaining? Korea flies a player over to a foreign tournament and stomps them time and time again. What exactly do they have to learn from the West? Maybe the free computers, free team house, code A and code S seeds, and English commentators are not enough. Good God way to perpetuate the "lazy, spoiled, Yankee" stereotype in Korea.
I hope those idiots managing Fnatic.MSI stop these kinds of posts before it gets too late for them.
Those two posts make MSI look reaaaally bad and if Korean netizens got wind of them and read the response it's getting from the foreigner community... MSI can kiss their chances good bye with any kind of competitive revenue they get from Korea if this keeps up. Did you forget Korea has a lot of pride, especially with their Starcraft?
I'm still shocked they posted this on their site. I hope they don't think the posts speak for all of the foreigner community. Holy fuck.
Sadly, his "voice" is far more likely to reach the ears of the GOM staff than of what seems, chiefly in this thread, the relatively large group of foreigners who think otherwise.
Sadly.
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Wow the article is terrible. It just rehashes all the arithmetic and brings nothing new to the table,
Korea doesn't need the West at all. If in an instance, the SC2 scene in the West completely disappears, it wouldn't matter to Korea AT ALL. The GSL will still continue and in a couple of years, SC2 will likely be mainstream and broadcasted on TV. The players are getting team salaries, and because of that, they don't really care too much about individual tournaments in the West. It is hard for a team to justify sending someone like NesTea or MC to go travel every weekend when it is much more beneficial for them to stay in Korea and practice with other teammates and for the GSTL.
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On May 25 2011 22:06 legaton wrote:
if you want to farm more gold, you may try to play some World of Warcraft. The rationality of decision making of SC2 players and managers saddens and angers me. The opportunity cost is too high and the competition level too harsh? OK, but what happened to the ambition of competitive gaming?
Yup, it's a bit sad that easy money is more important than the chance to compete with the very best for most western pro-gamers it seems. I look up to the pro-gamers who want to go to Korea to compete with the best rather than getting the easy money.
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On May 26 2011 02:16 Azzur wrote:
Something that GOM can do is shorten the GSL tournaments. They don't need to cast every single match - mainly show the higher profile ones. If you look at the grand slam tennis tournaments, they are over in 2 wks. Making them 1 month will make it harder for the players.
I completely agree with this guy. Just don't cast games with foreigners, since noone cares about them anyway. That way GOM could save a ton of time and cut the GLS seasons in half.
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The only thing korea needs the west for is viewers..and even without them they can create a sustainable buisness. People keep doing the math for why foreigners shouldtn go to korea, but no one does the math for the other side. If korea caters to foreigners and goes through all this extra hassle just so some mid tier(compared to koreans) players will play in their tounrey, how much will it cost them compared to how much more money they'll make?
Is there really that many western viewers who dont tune in because there isnt a white dude playing? The only thing i really dont watch produced by the gsl is the team league.
edit: wait you want them to cut all of the gsl casting time by half? so you know that means they get half the ad revenue meaning the prize pool is going to be cut? making it just as "unfesable" for foreigners to attend events.
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On May 26 2011 03:20 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 03:11 PHC wrote:
First "The Problem with Korea" and now "It is time for Korea to pay attention to the West".
Who the fuck are you to tell them what they need to do or what Korea has to do. Korea does not "need" to do jack shit. GOM has done strides for getting foreigners involved and they are STILL complaining? Korea flies a player over to a foreign tournament and stomps them time and time again. What exactly do they have to learn from the West? Maybe the free computers, free team house, code A and code S seeds, and English commentators are not enough. Good God way to perpetuate the "lazy, spoiled, Yankee" stereotype in Korea.
I hope those idiots managing Fnatic.MSI stop these kinds of posts before it gets too late for them.
Those two posts make MSI look reaaaally bad and if Korean netizens got wind of them and read the response it's getting from the foreigner community... MSI can kiss their chances good bye with any kind of competitive revenue they get from Korea if this keeps up. Did you forget Korea has a lot of pride, especially with their Starcraft?
I'm still shocked they posted this on their site. I hope they don't think the posts speak for all of the foreigner community. Holy fuck. Sadly, his "voice" is far more likely to reach the ears of the GOM staff than of what seems, chiefly in this thread, the relatively large group of foreigners who think otherwise. Sadly.
QFT. I remember this post that the Gomtv director posted, he was really hurt by the foreigner rejection of supertournament. I really hope this article does not reaches him because I could see it breaking his heart, after everything he has done to help unite both communities. If he reads it, I could see him breaking into nerd tears. We need to direct his attention towards ACTUAL community responses such as this thread.
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On May 26 2011 03:57 wxwx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 03:20 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On May 26 2011 03:11 PHC wrote:
First "The Problem with Korea" and now "It is time for Korea to pay attention to the West".
Who the fuck are you to tell them what they need to do or what Korea has to do. Korea does not "need" to do jack shit. GOM has done strides for getting foreigners involved and they are STILL complaining? Korea flies a player over to a foreign tournament and stomps them time and time again. What exactly do they have to learn from the West? Maybe the free computers, free team house, code A and code S seeds, and English commentators are not enough. Good God way to perpetuate the "lazy, spoiled, Yankee" stereotype in Korea.
I hope those idiots managing Fnatic.MSI stop these kinds of posts before it gets too late for them.
Those two posts make MSI look reaaaally bad and if Korean netizens got wind of them and read the response it's getting from the foreigner community... MSI can kiss their chances good bye with any kind of competitive revenue they get from Korea if this keeps up. Did you forget Korea has a lot of pride, especially with their Starcraft?
I'm still shocked they posted this on their site. I hope they don't think the posts speak for all of the foreigner community. Holy fuck. Sadly, his "voice" is far more likely to reach the ears of the GOM staff than of what seems, chiefly in this thread, the relatively large group of foreigners who think otherwise. Sadly. QFT. I remember this post that the Gomtv director posted, he was really hurt by the foreigner rejection of supertournament. I really hope this article does not reaches him because I could see it breaking his heart, after everything he has done to help unite both communities. If he reads it, I could see him breaking into nerd tears. We need to direct his attention towards ACTUAL community responses such as this thread.
hopefully jon is lurking around somewhere
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I think that the moving of MLG and GSL to collaborate their player bases together is perhaps what makes this article obsolete. Suddenly the players don't have to live in Korea to play (they can obviously make the trip for given tournaments).
What I hope is that because their is now a collaboration, korean players will be forced to adapt to a western style play and western players will be forced to adapt to korean style play.
I think Day[9] made a comment during one of IdrA's games during MLG Dallas as the 'korean curse' players play over in korea and it affects their playing style such that when they come over to the west they don't play 'our' style essentially.
What I'm getting at is this; a universal style between both sides of the world.
Meh, maybe it's just me having a John Lennon streak with my SC2 gaming...
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Some points he brought up made sense...
But, nowhere in this article does it say why Korea needs to "pay attention" to the West?
Basically, you shouldn't go to Korea if you feel you aren't top notch quality at the game. You will be losing a ton of money and wasting you time. However, if you feel you are at the top of the game, that is where you should absolutely be.
Sure, you can perhaps make more money in the short term planning in local events and taking down a lesser known tournament here and there, but in the long run, Korea is a proven area where significant investment in the E-Sports scene is and will continue to be.
The best in any sport is that who defeated the best of the rest. Idra, Dimaga, Thorzain, Naniwa, or whoever could win every single tournament known to man outside of Korea, but if they can't do it in Korea also, it does not make them the best.
Koreans are going out of their way to attend events outside of Korea , which in a sense makes even less sense than a foreigner going to korea.
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On May 26 2011 04:06 LoveCrashes wrote:
I think that the moving of MLG and GSL to collaborate their player bases together is perhaps what makes this article obsolete. Suddenly the players don't have to live in Korea to play (they can obviously make the trip for given tournaments).
What I hope is that because their is now a collaboration, korean players will be forced to adapt to a western style play and western players will be forced to adapt to korean style play.
I think Day[9] made a comment during one of IdrA's games during MLG Dallas as the 'korean curse' players play over in korea and it affects their playing style such that when they come over to the west they don't play 'our' style essentially.
What I'm getting at is this; a universal style between both sides of the world.
Meh, maybe it's just me having a John Lennon streak with my SC2 gaming...
Idk if thats ever going to happen even in esport games that were 100% global(cs1.6) each continent had their own "style" of gameplay. For example North america was known for relying on their aim/skill to win games where europe(even tho they were equally skilled) relyed more on crazy amazing strats. The line blurred some but it was mostly that way for the life span of cs.
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really bad article.
what do they expect GSL to offer them homes with living conditions superior than their own players and provide them with conditions and shit that make them feel as if they're exactly at home?
or do they expect GSL to change their tournament format to fit westerner needs?
they point out language barriers? again what exactly is the point of this.
really makes no sense. i just see a lot of complaining with almost no solutions.
again yes there are a lot of online tournaments, and MLG now in the west, foreigners can compete in those, but you can't complain and say that a tournament primarily designed for koreans should completely cater to the foreigner scene.
if anything i think they're getting a pretty good deal. basically everything is paid for and you get to travel (for free) and experience a completely different culture from your own playing a video game.
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Korea is a lot more open to the West than the West is open to Korea. seeds, apartment, etc..
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On May 26 2011 04:11 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:06 LoveCrashes wrote:
I think that the moving of MLG and GSL to collaborate their player bases together is perhaps what makes this article obsolete. Suddenly the players don't have to live in Korea to play (they can obviously make the trip for given tournaments).
What I hope is that because their is now a collaboration, korean players will be forced to adapt to a western style play and western players will be forced to adapt to korean style play.
I think Day[9] made a comment during one of IdrA's games during MLG Dallas as the 'korean curse' players play over in korea and it affects their playing style such that when they come over to the west they don't play 'our' style essentially.
What I'm getting at is this; a universal style between both sides of the world.
Meh, maybe it's just me having a John Lennon streak with my SC2 gaming... Idk if thats ever going to happen even in esport games that were 100% global(cs1.6) each continent had their own "style" of gameplay. For example North america was known for relying on their aim/skill to win games where europe(even tho they were equally skilled) relyed more on crazy amazing strats. The line blurred some but it was mostly that way for the life span of cs.
I see what you're saying, but perhaps there is a way to create sort of like an adaptability to the styles like... Koreans are really agressive, therefore NA players have to either learn to be counter-agressive or know how to deal with that agression. Or NA players are known for heavy macro style plays... dealing with that.
I think I'm just rambling at this point, but hey, I think the big thing that keeps this from happening is the latency that occurs when one plays from one server to another. If their was some way around that, then it would be easier for the players to get a universal play. I highly doubt though that Koreans would play on NA...
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Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players??
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On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players??
Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S.
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+respect to huk and jinro
they do it for the love of the game and for the competition. they want to be and play the very best so they will do what it takes. money is not as important to them as much as the opportunity that is presented to them in being in the most intense and competitive gaming environment.
hopefully one day they will be rewarded in being the absolute top foreigners and being on par with the really good korean players.
it is not the fact that koreans are THAT much better than foreigner right now, but in the future, koreans will be THAT much better. it's a simple matter of drive, dedication and work ethic, not talent.
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On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S.
And they are giving a Code S to the winner of MLG while the koreans need to go through a brutal qualifier and then make it through the up and down matches.
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On May 26 2011 04:34 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 04:31 vnlegend wrote:
Eh? Another post about how Korea should cater to the rest of the world? What are they, the Starcraft 2 Welfare program??
What exactly have the Western tournaments given to Korean players?? Seeds into the championship bracket of a 3 day long event with more prize money than anything in korea except for code S.
and all korea had to do was pay for flights for 4 people to korea. Room and board for a month for those 4 people and a seed into code s and 3 into a?
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