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I don't get why this keeps getting brought up.
When you're making a decision for professional gaming you make a freaking checklist and assign values to the check list. Pros and Cons will lead you in the right direction. If you decide that because you can stay where you are with family and friends. Make more money. Provide more for your sponsors. Then stay playing US/EU events. But when taking that route DO NOT complain that GOM needs to make it easier on you. Koreans do the same thing when deciding to play events. If for some reason they decide it isn't worth their time or just not feasible they don't go. There are two main views for a NA/EU player. Each one has it's own ups and downs, but when you make your choice it is not the fault of another event that you choose the other side.
Go to Korea
+ Actually get better at the game
+ Possibly get an invite to a team
+ Possibly catch a few other LANs if you get knocked out earlier which you have a good chance of winning because you have good practice not only on the Korean server, but the GSL.
- Leave behind a lot of social ties
- Your life will revolve around your computer
- You won't make nearly as much $ (normally)
- You can't make it to every LAN
Stay in NA/EU
+ More Money
+ Sponsors benefit which means you can play more tournaments
+ Live how you want to live
- Your skill level at best will be barely above the second best foreigner
- Even if you win everything you still won't be recognized as the top player
That is not as detailed as I would make my list when choosing between the foreign events or the Korean events, but it is a decent start. I'm not exactly sure what I would do. But I am sure that if you choose to stay playing the EU/NA scene then it isn't GOM's fault.
A better partnership agreement would be nice though where GOM would allow those who have dedicated time to the GSL to participate in other events, but it isn't their responsibility to do so.
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On May 26 2011 08:00 StarStruck wrote:
Post count has little to do with it. The guy is known to many of us who follow both games.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it; however, I'd like to refute your last statement some more.
Specifically the word difference. To me, it feels like you are throwing words around because players like Stork, Flash and Jaedong are driven without the monetary gains. That is a bonus to their play. It will drive them more, but to think that these guys don't try to be the best because they want to be is flat out wrong.
This difference you speak of doesn't come off as one. They are two separate ideas. If you think these players are in it just for the money then you haven't been following them long enough. To summarize, certain players are dedicated regardless of these ideas you have about slave labor.
Ok this is my actual detailed thoughts from my original statement.
Firstly I don't see what the problem is with KeSPA. It's not like they implement particular practice times. The teams have minimum practice times because if players do not practice then they fall behind and are much less worth to their team. It's not even like it's a rule for everyone; It was very clear that SaviOr wasn't fully dedicated for a period of time, and probably was not practicing as much as everyone else. The result being, him dropping out of the top completely.
Starcraft, it's clear, is a hugely competitive game where it's very very hard for anyone to simply coast on their skills like other games; you can see the result of less practice very very clearly in players like Jaedong when it happens. It requires sacrifice and dedication. And if you are in a pro team, under a salary, you are required to have a mandatory level of effort/time put in - this to me is reasonable.. it is a choice after all. The same sacrifice is very true for other niche sports, like many in the Olympics. Although they don't take up as much time as Starcraft, people really heavily dedicated their lives because it's simply necessary to compete.
With this in mind, i now hear players like Incontrol directly talking negatively about this level of professionalism. I understand pefectly why you wouldn't want to do this and do the personal sacrifice required, especially if you have other obligations. But, if you don't want to play Starcraft all day when the level of competition clearly requires you to - then DON'T try and be a professional gamer, or at least play a different game.
If it's mandatory or not, people will practice the maximum amount they can, and they will be the best. There will be no shortcuts...
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On May 26 2011 08:22 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 08:15 nokz88 wrote:On May 26 2011 08:10 wei2coolman wrote:On May 26 2011 08:06 jinorazi wrote:
i just want to add my 2c though it may not be worth much:
i'm pretty GSL wants to do the best they can for the foreigners, they're inviting and have invited foreign players, they're working with MLG, provide housing, etc.
i think everyone is forgetting that starcraft, or esport, is not a multi-hundred million dollar market like real sports, maybe for bw, but not for sc2.
they're doing what they can with little they have, to be honest, players dont come first, the staff, infrastructure must be there for the players to compete in.
until the market grows, there little room for luxuries like paid tickets with hotel room for a month - from sponsor or tournament organizer or from players themselves.
the cost of living is already set(all variables, food/housing/family/travel/etc), its the industry that needs to play catch up to meet those already set numbers.
so for now, only those who are willing to sacrifice a lot to compete at the highest level will travel to korea. those who want to be treated specially can wait. Agreed, completely. There needs to be a much bigger industry and infrastructure to justify foreigners to go to Korea. Way to completely miss his point. i think i misread so i just put in spoiler + Show Spoiler +
i assume you were commenting on my part. maybe you can point me to the point of the article because the article seemed straight forward "what needs to be done for all esports around the world to unite". communication, understanding, being on the same page, are all obvious things and i'm 99% sure they will come in time. however, at the moment, the industry is still very young and i'm just pointing out maybe people are wanting too much from it.
i personally would love to see football(association) style organization where different leagues play together in larger league/tournament. MLG - GSL is a start.
You make valid points, I was referring to the guy who answered you with nonsense.
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On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills.
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On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills.
Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers.
Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said.
All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently.
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On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently.
This is the big issue I have with you and Xeris' posts: You AREN'T responding and addressing the numerous holes and flaws in your arguments. You make a very one sided post with a lot of exposure on the Fnatic site, then hide behind the curtain of "Well I'm just presenting my arguments, disagree all you want."
People have brought up a lot of great points throughout this thread that tear your argument to shreds, but they don't enjoy the luxury of having so much exposure that is given to you and Xeris. A lot of blind fanboys read your first post and don't even read the thread for counterpoints.
If you actually stand by what you wrote, man up and defend them. Nothing you said in your original post was not already written by Xeris in his post.
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Progamers in the west need to pay more attention to korea
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On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently.
then change the title. you even said gom has done a marvelous job and used a banner image of the GOM WORLD championships...I mean come on what else do you want them to do? Make them pay for every foreigner that wants to play? Seeds into Code S? gom is doing fine.
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Edited OP
.....The MLG to GSL trade is actually almost fair. The end result may not seem worth it to most players, but if they choose not to go that is not GOM's fault. What happens if the Koreans win the MLG? Will people still not value a trip to the GSL? If so then they're not giving enough credit that even though the money might not be as "easy" and "abundant" as the NA/EU events but the skill that you gain from that experience might be worth your time. Perhaps then if you do become a top GSL player they may make exceptions for a MLG, Dreamhack, ESL, IEM, event. Perhaps they won't and you'll have to wait for that month that you get knocked out of the GSL early, but with that you can go to EVERY NA/EU event and have confidence that you will do well. This topic gets way too much talk time for something that can be summed up like this. You analyze the two situations and you choose the one that is best for you. Neither path is right or wrong, but it is nobody's fault that you MUST choose a path.
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On May 26 2011 10:33 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently. This is the big issue I have with you and Xeris' posts: You AREN'T responding and addressing the numerous holes and flaws in your arguments. You make a very one sided post with a lot of exposure on the Fnatic site, then hide behind the curtain of "Well I'm just presenting my arguments, disagree all you want." People have brought up a lot of great points throughout this thread that tear your argument to shreds, but they don't enjoy the luxury of having so much exposure that is given to you and Xeris. A lot of blind fanboys read your first post and don't even read the thread for counterpoints. If you actually stand by what you wrote, man up and defend them. Nothing you said in your original post was not already written by Xeris in his post.
Mhmm, you can't have a discussion on one of these threads when OPs don't bother adding anything to the first post. No one reads through all the comments, they just read the OP, few comments below it, then blindly post whatever they're thinking. It makes all of these threads completely pointless, still amused that Xeris' got spotlighted.
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The title should be changed into "The Problem is Money".
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Wow a whole article outlining all the "problems with korea" yet provides no solutions other than...they should you know...talk to each other and like communicate bro.
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On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently.
Okay, wait a minute. So you post an opinion, and then you admit that Spunky made some incredibly valid points that go against your opinion. Yet, you show no change to your opinion.
... What? I thought any credible, well-informed opinion would drastically change if the one holding that opinion heard some "incredibly valid points" going against that opinion. If you don't change your opinion with the introduction of some valid arguments against it, that's what I would call willful ignorance. And that's terrible.
Even more, you ignore addressing any specific points made against certain parts of your argument, even though the general consensus of the thread indicates that those points are pretty damn valid points. Instead, you just put a blanket disclaimer above your original post that does nothing to specifically address any of the points that make your points look ill-informed.
Lastly, I have a huge concern over the lack of responsibility you perceive yourself to have. What I mean by this is that you don't seem to think your article is a big deal, and thus, people need to "lighten up", as you say.
I feel like you're not aware of the spotlight set upon your article. You're posting in the "Featured" section of one of the most prominent foreign SC2 Professional teams. What makes you think it was okay to make your article so heavy-handed that nearly every response in this topic was negative? You title your article "It's time for Korea to start to pay attention to the West", and you go on to post a ton of grievances that Korea can hardly do anything about or have no obligation to do anything about (cultural assimilation, communication, sponsorships, and more). What do you think that would look like to a Korean reader who wants to know what the foreign e-Sports scene is talking about?
Bottom line: It looks terrible. It looks like an ugly example of baseless entitlement. You've made it clear that it wasn't your intention for it to look that way, but judging from almost all the responses in this thread, and my personal opinion, that's exactly how it looks. You have a responsibility to present the article that would do well from a PR standpoint with Korea, and in that sense, it seems that you have pretty much failed.
I wouldn't be so harsh if it weren't for the fact that you don't even seem to care that much about the responses here. You just took all of our points (and the oGs managers points as well), ignored then, raised your hands in a gesture of surrender, and said, "Hey guys, this is only my opinion - this is simply how I feel about things." That's great, but it seems like your opinion should have been altered by what Spunky said, and by the points other users in this topic have made as well. And if your opinion wasn't altered, you need to explain why the various points made here hold no water. Furthermore, you seem to have acknowledged that your article is being misinterpreted by many, but you have taken no action to help improve the heavy-handedness of your article on the fnatic website, instead, opting to essentially say, "This is my opinion. It's just how I feel. Now leave me alone." People have pointed out many deficiencies in your article, such as heavy-handedness, and an unclear purpose in how it states many problems and proposes no solutions. I feel that you have a responsibility to fix those problems, since you've posted the article in a pretty high-profile spot on a prominent e-Sports team's website.
TL;DR: You're hiding behind the "it's my opinion" defense to absolve yourself of the responsibility of modifying the original article, and also to absolve yourself of the responsibility to evaluate the good points people have made here. The fact that you even disallowed Spunky's arguments, which you call "incredibly valid", from altering your opinion, clearly says to me that you're just being stubborn.
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On May 26 2011 12:25 mango_destroyer wrote:
Wow a whole article outlining all the "problems with korea" yet provides no solutions other than...they should you know...talk to each other and like communicate bro.
That's another issue I have. He goes into such details about why Korea is a big problem and why Western players have it soooo difficult. Then when it comes to solving issues, he's incredibly vague and simply says: "Both sides need to work on communication."
What does that even mean? What does that entail? It's a feeble attempt to mask what is actually just a big whine post. I have no problem with people posting criticisms about tournaments if they are willing to provide actual constructive feedback or propose realistic solutions.
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Over time, I've learned that when Koreans travel, they make absolutely no sacrifices. Further more, Korea having month-long tournaments is their fault, rather than the fault of NA and EU for not having any equivalents themselves.
...Please stop being ridiculous.
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On May 26 2011 12:29 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently. Okay, wait a minute. So you post an opinion, and then you admit that Spunky made some incredibly valid points that go against your opinion. Yet, you show no change to your opinion. ... What? I thought any credible, well-informed opinion would drastically change if the one holding that opinion heard some "incredibly valid points" going against that opinion. If you don't change your opinion with the introduction of some valid arguments against it, that's what I would call willful ignorance. And that's terrible. Even more, you ignore addressing any specific points made against certain parts of your argument, even though the general consensus of the thread indicates that those points are pretty damn valid points. Instead, you just put a blanket disclaimer above your original post that does nothing to specifically address any of the points that make your points look ill-informed. Lastly, I have a huge concern over the lack of responsibility you perceive yourself to have. What I mean by this is that you don't seem to think your article is a big deal, and thus, people need to "lighten up", as you say. I feel like you're not aware of the spotlight set upon your article. You're posting in the "Featured" section of one of the most prominent foreign SC2 Professional teams. What makes you think it was okay to make your article so heavy-handed that nearly every response in this topic was negative? You title your article "It's time for Korea to start to pay attention to the West", and you go on to post a ton of grievances that Korea can hardly do anything about or have no obligation to do anything about (cultural assimilation, communication, sponsorships, and more). What do you think that would look like to a Korean reader who wants to know what the foreign e-Sports scene is talking about? Bottom line: It looks terrible. It looks like an ugly example of baseless entitlement. You've made it clear that it wasn't your intention for it to look that way, but judging from almost all the responses in this thread, and my personal opinion, that's exactly how it looks. You have a responsibility to present the article that would do well from a PR standpoint with Korea, and in that sense, it seems that you have pretty much failed. I wouldn't be so harsh if it weren't for the fact that you don't even seem to care that much about the responses here. You just took all of our points (and the oGs managers points as well), ignored then, raised your hands in a gesture of surrender, and said, "Hey guys, this is only my opinion - this is simply how I feel about things." That's great, but it seems like your opinion should have been altered by what Spunky said, and by the points other users in this topic have made as well. And if your opinion wasn't altered, you need to explain why the various points made here hold no water. Furthermore, you seem to have acknowledged that your article is being misinterpreted by many, but you have taken no action to help improve the heavy-handedness of your article on the fnatic website, instead, opting to essentially say, "This is my opinion. It's just how I feel. Now leave me alone." People have pointed out many deficiencies in your article, such as heavy-handedness, and an unclear purpose in how it states many problems and proposes no solutions. I feel that you have a responsibility to fix those problems, since you've posted the article in a pretty high-profile spot on a prominent e-Sports team's website. TL;DR: You're hiding behind the "it's my opinion" defense to absolve yourself of the responsibility of modifying the original article, and also to absolve yourself of the responsibility to evaluate the good points people have made here. The fact that you even disallowed Spunky's arguments, which you call "incredibly valid", from altering your opinion, clearly says to me that you're just being stubborn.
Dude while I don't agree with the OP, you sound like a judge lecturing a criminal he's about to sentence.
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On May 26 2011 12:29 HolyArrow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2011 10:27 fams wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. Or maybe its simply my opinion, and this is a column not a paper that belongs in an academic review. Lighten up dude...this is simply the way I see things, based on the information I have gathered from personal experiences, professional gamers and managers. Not everyone agrees with me, thats great, I'm not asking people to. I had a 30 minute conversation with Spunky, the manager of oGs about this topic and he made incredibly valid points that went against what I said. All in all, I stand by what I wrote. People can agree, disagree, flame, or not even read it properly and comment all they want. There are plenty of solutions and perspectives to be heard when it comes to bridging the gaps between regions. I just spoke from my perspective - and a few other peoples - on some of the recent problems that have made headlines recently. Okay, wait a minute. So you post an opinion, and then you admit that Spunky made some incredibly valid points that go against your opinion. Yet, you show no change to your opinion. ... What? I thought any credible, well-informed opinion would drastically change if the one holding that opinion heard some "incredibly valid points" going against that opinion. If you don't change your opinion with the introduction of some valid arguments against it, that's what I would call willful ignorance. And that's terrible. Even more, you ignore addressing any specific points made against certain parts of your argument, even though the general consensus of the thread indicates that those points are pretty damn valid points. Instead, you just put a blanket disclaimer above your original post that does nothing to specifically address any of the points that make your points look ill-informed. Lastly, I have a huge concern over the lack of responsibility you perceive yourself to have. What I mean by this is that you don't seem to think your article is a big deal, and thus, people need to "lighten up", as you say. I feel like you're not aware of the spotlight set upon your article. You're posting in the "Featured" section of one of the most prominent foreign SC2 Professional teams. What makes you think it was okay to make your article so heavy-handed that nearly every response in this topic was negative? You title your article "It's time for Korea to start to pay attention to the West", and you go on to post a ton of grievances that Korea can hardly do anything about or have no obligation to do anything about (cultural assimilation, communication, sponsorships, and more). What do you think that would look like to a Korean reader who wants to know what the foreign e-Sports scene is talking about? Bottom line: It looks terrible. It looks like an ugly example of baseless entitlement. You've made it clear that it wasn't your intention for it to look that way, but judging from almost all the responses in this thread, and my personal opinion, that's exactly how it looks. You have a responsibility to present the article that would do well from a PR standpoint with Korea, and in that sense, it seems that you have pretty much failed. I wouldn't be so harsh if it weren't for the fact that you don't even seem to care that much about the responses here. You just took all of our points (and the oGs managers points as well), ignored then, raised your hands in a gesture of surrender, and said, "Hey guys, this is only my opinion - this is simply how I feel about things." That's great, but it seems like your opinion should have been altered by what Spunky said, and by the points other users in this topic have made as well. And if your opinion wasn't altered, you need to explain why the various points made here hold no water. Furthermore, you seem to have acknowledged that your article is being misinterpreted by many, but you have taken no action to help improve the heavy-handedness of your article on the fnatic website, instead, opting to essentially say, "This is my opinion. It's just how I feel. Now leave me alone." People have pointed out many deficiencies in your article, such as heavy-handedness, and an unclear purpose in how it states many problems and proposes no solutions. I feel that you have a responsibility to fix those problems, since you've posted the article in a pretty high-profile spot on a prominent e-Sports team's website. TL;DR: You're hiding behind the "it's my opinion" defense to absolve yourself of the responsibility of modifying the original article, and also to absolve yourself of the responsibility to evaluate the good points people have made here. The fact that you even disallowed Spunky's arguments, which you call "incredibly valid", from altering your opinion, clearly says to me that you're just being stubborn.
Very good rebuttal. OP should either modify the first post to be less aggressive based on multiple points made in this thread, or provide actually useful discussion instead of hiding behind the opinion.
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On May 26 2011 09:20 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 21:49 fams wrote:
Let me clarify, I am not saying that GomTV has done a piss poor job, in fact, they have done a marvelous job and I am very thankful for what they have done for the international eSports scene. So I apologize that the title is hostile towards Koreans and makes it out to be their fault only - which it is not.
I feel that people just need to see where everyone else is coming from, and the various perspectives from the different regions. Recently, (especially after reading the GSL Commentator comments) it feels as though Korea was shocked that there are so few foreigners, I was just trying to point out why, and make a note that there needs to be increased communication from all parties involved in order to keep moving forward like we have been.
Seeing how much difficulty you have in getting your point across in this thread, someone needs to work on their communication skills. You could be more polite and make a better attempt to understand him yourself.
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On May 26 2011 12:51 Zeke50100 wrote:
Over time, I've learned that when Koreans travel, they make absolutely no sacrifices. Further more, Korea having month-long tournaments is their fault, rather than the fault of NA and EU for not having any equivalents themselves.
...Please stop being ridiculous.
They make no sacrifices? I'm curious - why is that?
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On May 26 2011 12:59 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 12:51 Zeke50100 wrote:
Over time, I've learned that when Koreans travel, they make absolutely no sacrifices. Further more, Korea having month-long tournaments is their fault, rather than the fault of NA and EU for not having any equivalents themselves.
...Please stop being ridiculous. They make no sacrifices? I'm curious - why is that?
The beginning paragraph was sarcasm 
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