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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
FUCK YA OP makes a simple request that seems reasonable, but at the same time E-sports is growing and with the growth comes new responsibilities such as no swearing during broadcasts. But E-sports isnt at that level yet and some matches can be super dry for the first 5 minutes so I think its necessary for the little jokes and such. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:26 Firesilver wrote: But is he really asking too much? TV and even trailers have warnings about mature themes in a show or even in a small trailer, he is just asking for a similar thing here. People keep raising the point behind the rating, but there really is nothing to talk about with it. Parents have enough sense to decide whether they want their kids to see/hear certain things. If the parents are fine with some features inside of the game such as units dieing, why should that automatically force them to accept mature language on a stream? Every major cast is hovering around the same threshold right now though, the GSL, NASL, TSL, MLG even to an extent are all roughly around PG-13 in terms of the content of their casting, which is age-appropriate in regards to violence already contained in the game. If you're okay with your child seeing the violence in the game but not okay with age-equivalent casting then just auto-assume that these events will have that issue, because they all do. I can't think of one that exceeds that threshold, and I can't think of one that is consistently below it, it varies from day to day but it is always around that same general region, the content will be age-appropriate in regards to the rating of the game. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:17 Kerotan wrote: The biggest issue is the need to be consistent. When I watch state of the game I understand people will swear, you are listening in on SC2 related banter. When I watch GSL, I would be surprised to hear a peep out of anyone. As much I dislike the OP's attitude to swearing (I swear like its going out of fashion and I like to think I turned out okay.), I understand that there are people that want clean versions, but I'm not sure there is enough demand to have clean versions of SOTG e.g. I think this is the important point as well. Major events should be broadcast according to industry standards for other sports. But shows like SotG and TLAttack should be allowed to play to their own standard, as long as they're upfront about what that standard is (which they are). | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:33 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: I think this is the important point as well. Major events should be broadcast according to industry standards for other sports. But shows like SotG and TLAttack should be allowed to play to their own standard, as long as they're upfront about what that standard is (which they are). But it's not exactly like other sports because of the nature of the game, the nature of the content you're already seeing on screen. No event has exceeded this, I can't think of a single offense that would require casters being told to tone it down, or players being told to tone it down aside from the stuff that's obviously been stated to be a little over the top such as state of the game. It's all remained around PG-13, which is equivalent to the level of violence on screen. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:26 Firesilver wrote: But is he really asking too much? TV and even trailers have warnings about mature themes in a show or even in a small trailer, he is just asking for a similar thing here. People keep raising the point behind the rating, but there really is nothing to talk about with it. Parents have enough sense to decide whether they want their kids to see/hear certain things. If the parents are fine with some features inside of the game such as units dieing, why should that automatically force them to accept mature language on a stream? TV and trailers have it, because someone set a standard. Similar standards concerning games are set pretty much all around the world. If you're the one setting your own standards and everyone can have a different opinion on this topic, then what exactly should the companies do? What about live coverage? If you set the rating before, it means censorship. And what if they adopt our idea behind the SP rating transferring to MP? Then everything Starcraft related will be rated T anyways. On May 25 2011 04:29 k!llua wrote: It has plenty to do with this. Both games are not suited for kids that are 12 and 8 years of age according to the standards. He's not playing Call of Duty, he (and his children) are playing Starcraft 2. Don't bring in examples that have nothing to do with the current discussion. If I'm playing something like that and kids come around, I quit the game. You would do the same, if there was something "bad" on TV, wouldn't you? So why should Starcraft be any different? | ||
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kNightLite
United States408 Posts
However I would point out that there are already ways to filter content. Both youtube and justin.tv channels can flag their content as explicit, which forces a confirmation page unless you login. As long as you can deal with the inconvenience of not logging in, it does a pretty good job of filtering content. Google is also currently developing a parental control system for YouTube: http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/02/safety-mode-giving-you-more-control-on.html I don't think the NASL is adult content. The problem with NASL is that when Gretorp unintentionally makes a sexual innuendo both him and Geoff giggle and call attention to it. If they ignored it and moved on like most professional broadcasters it wouldn't be a problem. I mean seriously, you can turn any sport broadcast into a chain of innuendos if you put effort into it. | ||
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maahes`ra
United States255 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:31 Mordiford wrote: Every major cast is hovering around the same threshold right now though, the GSL, NASL, TSL, MLG even to an extent are all roughly around PG-13 in terms of the content of their casting, which is age-appropriate in regards to violence already contained in the game. If you're okay with your child seeing the violence in the game but not okay with age-equivalent casting then just auto-assume that these events will have that issue, because they all do. I can't think of one that exceeds that threshold, and I can't think of one that is consistently below it, it varies from day to day but it is always around that same general region, the content will be age-appropriate in regards to the rating of the game. I think the assertion that simulated violence and vulgar diction go together hand in hand is a faulty one. Regardless, the discussion and question posed here is about the feasibility and application of casting-centric labels... to which the relationship between game rating and presentation tone is only tangentially related. ;o | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:52 kNightLite wrote: Yeah I definitely agree that casters need to be more conscience of ratings, even though I don't personally like them. However I would point out that there are already ways to filter content. Both youtube and justin.tv channels can flag their content as explicit, which forces a confirmation page unless you login. As long as you can deal with the inconvenience of not logging in, it does a pretty good job of filtering content. Google is also currently developing a parental control system for YouTube: http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/02/safety-mode-giving-you-more-control-on.html I don't think the NASL is adult content. The problem with NASL is that when Gretorp unintentionally makes a sexual innuendo both him and Geoff giggle and call attention to it. If they ignored it and moved on like most professional broadcasters it wouldn't be a problem. I mean seriously, you can turn any sport broadcast into a chain of innuendos if you put effort into it. The NASL's content is age-equivalent to the content of the game though(like every other event), I have no problem with the innuendos, the F-bomb happens like once or twice a cast at most. The game is essentially the equivalent of PG-13, the content you see on screen matches that, the casts generally stay around that and never exceed that. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
On the other hand, podcasts like SOTG and so on can use the language they want since they are trying to appeal to an audience of their choosing. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:54 maahes wrote: I think the assertion that simulated violence and vulgar diction go together hand in hand is a faulty one. Regardless, the discussion and question posed here is about the feasibility and application of casting-centric labels... to which the relationship between game rating and presentation tone is only tangentially related. ;o I've already said, I'm fine with a label but considering these events are live, I wouldn't want to have to tell the players to behave a different way since the way they currently behave is consistent with what would be a PG-13 rating, which is what the violent content of the game would receive. So, in that sense it's safe to say that every major cast is basically a T: for violence, blood and gore, language and suggestive themes. in the US. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
unless they are secretly deaf, they know these words, no doubt about it. they go to school everyday and probably hear their friends swearing if they don't do it themselves already, but you know it's not because they say such words that you have to wash their mouth with soap. you should consider the capacity of children to actually learn and understand things : if they understand why they should not repeat (in your opinion) such words, then they can hear these without your having to care about it, if they do not, then blocking it will only create the anti-effect and cause them to use these words more when they grow up. in both cases, blocking it is unrealistic and quite uncharacteristic for a parent that shows starcraft to his kids. sure you should not watch the more agressive shows because they would not actual grasp the irony in most of the things that are said with for example sexual vocabulary. on a more positive note, you should not understimate the ability of children to make the difference between "good" and "bad", me and my brother grew up playing GTA and Driver on playstation and neither of us is a criminal yet, nor we use agressive language all that often, and i believe using a fiction character to kill cops and cut people's heads off on the street 'for fun' is worse than listening to incontrol saying "fuck". just my personal opinion though, you raise your children the way you want. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:58 Steel wrote: I think official tournaments like MLG, NASL, IPL, GSL, ect, should be casted using appropriate language if esports is going to progress...It should be natural really. On the other hand, podcasts like SOTG and so on can use the language they want since they are trying to appeal to an audience of their choosing. The content of the game is PG-13, language should be allowed to match that, its quite simple really. I understand that some parents want to shelter their children from certain things but the fact of the matter is that this game is NOT intended for an audience below the age of 13. Forcing the casters to cater to an audience below this age would be unnecessarily cumbersome for production given the content of the game itself, not to mention alienate the target audience of the game itself (13 to 30). | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Do you know if there are any legal repercussions possible, if they say their stream is <rating> and a caster will slip up during a cast? With googling I only found an article from 2006 so I doubt it's useful. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
On May 25 2011 05:03 SichuanPanda wrote: The content of the game is PG-13, language should be allowed to match that, its quite simple really. I understand that some parents want to shelter their children from certain things but the fact of the matter is that this game is NOT intended for an audience below the age of 13. Forcing the casters to cater to an audience below this age would be unnecessarily cumbersome for production given the content of the game itself, not to mention alienate the target audience of the game itself (13 to 30). Is having a little tag somewhere that says that a particular cast is going to be "rated M for mature" going to alienate you? What bout missing out on Gretorps jokes about fudge packing (euphemism for anal sex) in the nasl matches a couple days ago? Is that what makes starcraft 2 fun to watch? I'm pretty sure the casters can find ways to be entertaining that are acceptable to a wider audience. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On May 25 2011 05:04 Zocat wrote: Firesilver Do you know if there are any legal repercussions possible, if they say their stream is <rating> and a caster will slip up during a cast? With googling I only found an article from 2006 so I doubt it's useful. I don't, but it's kind of extreme to say that they should suffer legal repercussions if they do accidentally slip up? I don't think anyone is calling for there to be legal action forcing streams to enforce a PG-13 rating, but rather just try to stick to it, like I stated earlier; sometimes cussing does happen on accident and that's just how life is, people make mistakes. Also the article won't load for me for some reason. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 05:06 Fission wrote: Is having a little tag somewhere that says that a particular cast is going to be "rated M for mature" going to alienate you? What bout missing out on Gretorps jokes about fudge packing (euphemism for anal sex) in the nasl matches a couple days ago? Is that what makes starcraft 2 fun to watch? I'm pretty sure the casters can find ways to be entertaining that are acceptable to a wider audience. No one is going to understand that unless they already know what it means... It doesn't affect the younger audiences that much. As for a tag, for most events, it's a live cast, so it'd be kinda tough, just assume it'll be age equivalent to the content of the game, as I stated earlier... No cast has gone beyond this, no cast has gone too far below this simply because of the nature of the game. | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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Molkovien
Denmark59 Posts
That does not mean we can't have mature content, but random swearing just, in my opinion, seems juvenile. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 25 2011 05:20 Molkovien wrote: Everything else aside, I honestly do not think f-bombs and the term rape ever add anything to the game. That does not mean we can't have mature content, but random swearing just, in my opinion, seems juvenile. F-bombs are super rare and rape is pretty taboo anyways... F-bombs are fine to me, as long as they are few and far between, I mean honestly, I can't imagine myself bursting out laughing if Strelok hadn't opened his opening interview question with, "You know... it was like 'What the fuck?'". | ||
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