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Soma Cruz
United States209 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote: I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:48 baldgye wrote: If Slasher continues the only person he is going to hurt is himself and his own job, why would a normal person do that? It's really heart warming that people like you are concerned about Slasher. So sincere, good job sir! | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:52 kafkaesque wrote: Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports? The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me... How did you even get from Idras comment to the language that people speak? There's no link between what Idra said and the usage of language whatsoever unless your counting Idras exaggeration of his point. Obviously, 99 percent of e-sports isn't literal, I'm not sure most of South Korea even knows this thing exists. 99 percent of NA esports would have been more accurate. Your comments have no logical link to them whatsoever | ||
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BlackPearl
United States13 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:56 Jarree wrote: It's really heart warming that people like you are concerned about Slasher. So sincere, good job sir! Its ironic, if Slasher hadn't reported this story, then he would have been hurting is job, and Joe Schmoe off the street would have found out about it and reported it. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing. Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:56 Jarree wrote: It's really heart warming that people like you are concerned about Slasher. So sincere, good job sir! I detect sarcasm... I'm not worried about Slasher and his future I'm merly point out the fact that his style of reporting of this industry isn't sustainable and so even if the damage to teams is only perseption... why do that to your self? The real talk should be why Slasher feels so strongly about going down this path that has a very clear and obvious end, instead of trying to become a legitimate journalist and help our industry, instead of just taking what he can while he can and running.. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:54 Wingblade wrote: What slasher did should not be constituted as his "job". He wrote a very poor, short and lazy article with the sole purpose of being the first to report the big news. There was zero effort on Slasher's part to do anything useful except bring attention to himself. Rather than taking the time to write a decent article he came out with a very short piece of garbage article that anyone could pop out of thin air in 20 minutes. If that is how Slasher does his "job", then Gamespot should be firing his lazy can ASAP. Last time I checked Slasher isn't part of the EG PR group, he has 0 obligation to get views to EG or any other site, team or organization if theres no contract or embargo on in. So please stop telling Slasher how to do his job as a journalist. | ||
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:54 Wingblade wrote: What slasher did should not be constituted as his "job". He wrote a very poor, short and lazy article with the sole purpose of being the first to report the big news. There was zero effort on Slasher's part to do anything useful except bring attention to himself. Rather than taking the time to write a decent article he came out with a very short piece of garbage article that anyone could pop out of thin air in 20 minutes. If that is how Slasher does his "job", then Gamespot should be firing his lazy can ASAP. Being first is a big deal in journalism...not the only deal, but generally when that mentality is criticized it's a rush to get the story out resulting in inaccuracies...but that wasn't the case here. Read any AP clip that is a breaking story...it's a "poor, short, lazy" article, the perspective stuff comes later. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:59 baldgye wrote: I detect sarcasm... I'm not worried about Slasher and his future I'm merly point out the fact that his style of reporting of this industry isn't sustainable and so even if the damage to teams is only perseption... why do that to your self? The real talk should be why Slasher feels so strongly about going down this path that has a very clear and obvious end, instead of trying to become a legitimate journalist and help our industry, instead of just taking what he can while he can and running.. But he is a grown man. Let him do it if he wants to. Is he hurting himself? Maybe, who knows, but that's his problem. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:00 JackDanger wrote: Being first is a big deal in journalism...not the only deal, but generally when that mentality is criticized it's a rush to get the story out resulting in inaccuracies...but that wasn't the case here. Read any AP clip that is a breaking story...it's a "poor, short, lazy" article, the perspective stuff comes later. Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. | ||
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:03 MstrJinbo wrote: Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. And journalism is worse off because of it...if you follow political coverage this is plainly obvious. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:00 Tobblish wrote: Last time I checked Slasher isn't part of the EG PR group, he has 0 obligation to get views to EG or any other site, team or organization if theres no contract or embargo on in. So please stop telling Slasher how to do his job as a journalist. When Slasher stops getting support and views for the garbage he puts out, I'll stop pointing out how horrible it is. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:03 MstrJinbo wrote: Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. Slasher has said he always keep off the record stuff off the record. That's what you're referring to. | ||
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BlackPearl
United States13 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote: Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:04 JackDanger wrote: And journalism is worse off because of it...if you follow political coverage this is plainly obvious. I'd rather have news with no journalists than journalists with no news. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote: Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. This team collaboration to cut off Slasher is ridiculous. There is a reason for the adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." If Slasher is "blacklisted" by EG and a couple other teams, then guess who is going to get the scoop on inside negative information about EG ? He will immediately become the obvious go-to reporter for leaking information by competitors. He already has, obviously, established himself as one who isn't afraid to publish leaked information. If you are a non-EG team and you want to leak information about them, who are you more likely to leak to ? Slasher or DJWheat ? No brainer. In addition, if teams only deal with reporters who are their sycophants, then everybody realizes what they will be getting from those "reporters" and it's nothing but team propaganda. If they want the real news, they will trust Slasher's independent writings. So, yeah, great idea to black list Slasher. Idiots. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1100 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:02 Jarree wrote: But he is a grown man. Let him do it if he wants to. Is he hurting himself? Maybe, who knows, but that's his problem. ...but if events and teams become more closed and less open to any kind of press because of him, that hurts us and it hurts journalism in eSports, which is something no-one wants... but Slashers actions are forcing teams and players to be more closed off... the fact that the team bosses are in talks about pushing Slasher out becasue they can do a better job of reporting the news themselfs is a pretty damning indictment. We want and need good journalists, but Slashers actions and style of unststainable reporting makes that harder and harder and makes the people who pay the money to the teams more and more wary and cautios of any kinds of press that might come into the scene after the fact. | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
On January 17 2013 01:55 Kaitlin wrote: No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. The difference though is that those sports teams are not dependent on sponsors so what is there really to hurt other than team moral? It's much different if a player doesn't want his team to know he's being shopped around because he feels bad than EG asking Slasher to not leak something so the sponsors that put money into this scene can get some more exposure. On January 17 2013 01:49 crms wrote: Did knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier from a Slasher tweet, cause less people to view the big tyrant cometh hype content? Did knowing ThorzaiN -> EG weeks earlier cause less people to watch the incredible annoucement video? Unless you can show that it does, you're giving Slasher farm too much credit or coorelating 'surprise' factor with the actual nuts and bolts that matter to a company, page views, video views, exposure. TeamLiquid damages EG farm more than any tweet slasher reveals. I doubt anyone reads Slasher's tweets and stops. A ton of people will read about it on TL and stop though. To help you understand I think more people do this. Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> done. (probably most people) Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> EG Website -> done. Slasher tweet -> EG Website -> Team Liquid -> done. Slasher tweet- > done. (nobody) Slasher tweet -> Gamespot -> done. (almost nobody) So long as EG produces great content to follow-up their announcements it would be hard to quantify that Slasher's spoiler tweets cause any harm. But should EG be required to make hype videos and over the top announcements just to draw traffic to their brand? If so, where does that leave medium level and up 'n coming teams in eSports who cannot do much more than a simple announcement? | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote: It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher. | ||
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