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Just so we're clear, the main story we're talking about is EG-Jaedong right? Because that was actually the worst kept secret of all time...a player on a major team (not EG) basically said after the story broke "yeah literally everyone knew this we were all talking about it at MLG"
How is EG sour with anyone reporting on this? It's childish.
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On January 17 2013 01:54 Soma Cruz wrote:
Oh no, Slasher reported news he learned, the horror, what a terrible person he is! He should have waited patiently to do his job of reporting and getting GameSpot page views!
I doubt him leaking things on twitter brings many views to gamespot though. Sure, EG or any other organization shouldn't control what he gets to release but a serious journalist pick their battles a little bit. I don't necessarily think Slasher is in the wrong but he could engage teams like EG in more of a two-way discussion, get to release basically the same amount of information and get more of it.
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On January 17 2013 02:06 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:04 JackDanger wrote:On January 17 2013 02:03 MstrJinbo wrote:
Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. And journalism is worse off because of it...if you follow political coverage this is plainly obvious. I'd rather have news with no journalists than journalists with no news.
I didn't know those were mutually exclusive!
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What has happened? Do I have to watch the latest episode to understand?
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On January 17 2013 02:08 eNtitY~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and an nouncing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. The difference though is that those sports teams are not dependent on sponsors so what is there really to hurt other than team moral? It's much different if a player doesn't want his team to know he's being shopped around because he feels bad than EG asking Slasher to not leak something so the sponsors that put money into this scene can get some more exposure. Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:49 crms wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. Did knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier from a Slasher tweet, cause less people to view the big tyrant cometh hype content? Did knowing ThorzaiN -> EG weeks earlier cause less people to watch the incredible annoucement video? Unless you can show that it does, you're giving Slasher farm too much credit or coorelating 'surprise' factor with the actual nuts and bolts that matter to a company, page views, video views, exposure. TeamLiquid damages EG farm more than any tweet slasher reveals. I doubt anyone reads Slasher's tweets and stops. A ton of people will read about it on TL and stop though. To help you understand I think more people do this. Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> done. (probably most people) Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> EG Website -> done. Slasher tweet -> EG Website -> Team Liquid -> done. Slasher tweet- > done. (nobody) Slasher tweet -> Gamespot -> done. (almost nobody) So long as EG produces great content to follow-up their announcements it would be hard to quantify that Slasher's spoiler tweets cause any harm. But should EG be required to make hype videos and over the top announcements just to draw traffic to their brand? If so, where does that leave medium level and up 'n coming teams in eSports who cannot do much more than a simple announcement?
Slasher has the right to do what ever he wants with his resources, but EG doesn't?
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On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing. Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher.
So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?
If they got it via a process it would be the first time they actually say what teams are in it, it's often kept quiet.
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I think that ultimately the responsibility falls on the Team management, or higher ups, who should go to the journalists with that information, BEFORE they can get it from anyone else, and say "Look, we have this information, we'll give it to you, but we don't want you to release it till X day."
To expect that a journalist would hear something from an external source and hen take that information to the company to see if THEY want it to be released is ridiculous. At that point, it's not in the organization's hand anymore. They had the opportunity to have the upper hand, but they lost it when they tried to lock it down instead of manage its release to external sources.
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On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:
So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?
To be fair this story could have easily leaked from the other side...that doesn't mean that Slasher shouldn't report it once it's out there though.
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On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing. Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher. So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?
Actually, wasn't it a tournament organizer that leaked news to Slasher too?
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On the subject of what's better for eSports... Doesn't it actually help reach a new audience when things get big on something like Gamespot? When Liquid or EG post stuff on their sites, fans will click anyway and very few people outside will hear about it, yeah?
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On January 17 2013 02:10 JackDanger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:06 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 02:04 JackDanger wrote:On January 17 2013 02:03 MstrJinbo wrote:
Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. And journalism is worse off because of it...if you follow political coverage this is plainly obvious. I'd rather have news with no journalists than journalists with no news. I didn't know those were mutually exclusive!
Well if Slashers whistleblowing(because that's what it really is) takes views and attention away from the teams who have the news, that means less money. Less money will result in the team not being able to sign players, sponsors, which means less results, less attention, and even less money. Thus, it follows that teams who lose views to Slashers whistleblowing will ultimately be hurt over time and it wiol even have some effect in teams potentially shutting down in the future.
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On January 17 2013 02:14 NexRex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing. Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher. So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air? Actually, wasn't it a tournament organizer that leaked news to Slasher too?
yeah IPL i believe, even though EG asked IPL not to leak it, EG had to submit their team to IPL, so obviously EG.JaeDong was on that roster (as they want him in that league)
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On January 17 2013 01:13 EG.lectR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 23:36 loladin wrote:
"You don't help the teams with eyeballs, you don't help the spectators with the view experiences, and beyond that you actually hurt.. you actively hurt the relationships and the give and take that make our industry even possible. Like, where do you think the money comes from? What do you think the sponsors pay for? They pay for marketing, they pay for exposure. And when you go and leak announcements not only do you provide no value for anyone except yourself, you steal value from the companies that support our company. [..] You make the team look bad because then we look like we're not able to manage our press relationships and manage our value propositions to our sponsors. The companies know you and they hate you." - Alex Garfield.
In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view?
Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly. Delusion assumes he's off the mark or uninformed. You're really, really missing the point here. Firstly, you're assuming that all information comes from one source...that when leaks happen they must be coming from the one team they're about (in this situation, that is). That just isn't true because of how e-sports [and nearly every industry which conducts any business transaction] works. For every player negotiation or team acquisition or sponsor arrangement, multiple people [and teams, in this case] are either bidding or in the conversation. Secondly, if you feel we are "blaming Slasher for doing his job," then you're missing the point again. This conversation is about e-sports fragility and the value that we at EG have created through these "announcements." It deals with the balance between sharing information when you have it versus creating quality in having that information. And it's also about the balance of a relationship and the expectations of such. If you feel this is EG seeking Slasher as a PR extension then you're very deluded by your own oversimplification of the issue. We have proven we don't need "e-sports reporting" to make headlines or news about us (both for good and bad reasons, of course). We create that naturally and unarguably better than anyone else in e-sports. What EG is seeking is a situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher and EG to be EG.
If there are multiple parties involved, shouldn't there be a mutual interest not to allow leaks, else Company A may be reluctant to work with company B in the future? Near the beginning of last night's discussion, I recall someone bringing up that esports is very "everyone knows everyone" at the top, and it sounded almost like extended family. However, esports/"the scene" seems to have its own growing up to do, probably in addition to expecting better journalism from Slasher and others (if for no other reason than that people should always be seeking self-improvement).
Sometimes it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you have to focus on things you can change. And EG probably already does that, but going after journalists will set yourselves up to look like you're stifling the press. Now a Swedish news source Rakaka is speaking out for Slasher.
Consider that TB came out of this stating his point, which is quite similar to EG's, but he came out way stronger. It's probably better to learn from TB and other examples than to try and control journalists, even if your opinion of their work is low.
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I don't think there's a right or wrong here but obviously teams rely alot on these announcements to generate value/renvenue so if you want ESPORTS to grow you need to respect that imo and try to work with the teams in a way that benefits both parties.
Alex got abit too emotional and didn't get his point across that well imo which is understandable since this probably matters alot to him, the discussion got too heated between him and Slasher. It's good that TB joined in and shared his views in a more calm and collected way.
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On January 17 2013 02:17 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:10 JackDanger wrote:On January 17 2013 02:06 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 02:04 JackDanger wrote:On January 17 2013 02:03 MstrJinbo wrote:
Personal relationships are also big deal. Reporters are privy to a lot of juicy bits of information that they don't report because it would hurt their ability to work with the involved parties in the future. And journalism is worse off because of it...if you follow political coverage this is plainly obvious. I'd rather have news with no journalists than journalists with no news. I didn't know those were mutually exclusive! Well if Slashers whistleblowing(because that's what it really is) takes views and attention away from the teams who have the news, that means less money. Less money will result in the team not being able to sign players, sponsors, which means less results, less attention, and even less money. Thus, it follows that teams who lose views to Slashers whistleblowing will ultimately be hurt over time and it wiol even have some effect in teams potentially shutting down in the future.
Theres no facts or stats to indicate that a leak of player signing gets a team less views.
Hell just look at he views for Snute and comments, same with the JD and Stephano things.
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On January 17 2013 02:11 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:08 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and an nouncing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. The difference though is that those sports teams are not dependent on sponsors so what is there really to hurt other than team moral? It's much different if a player doesn't want his team to know he's being shopped around because he feels bad than EG asking Slasher to not leak something so the sponsors that put money into this scene can get some more exposure. On January 17 2013 01:49 crms wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. Did knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier from a Slasher tweet, cause less people to view the big tyrant cometh hype content? Did knowing ThorzaiN -> EG weeks earlier cause less people to watch the incredible annoucement video? Unless you can show that it does, you're giving Slasher farm too much credit or coorelating 'surprise' factor with the actual nuts and bolts that matter to a company, page views, video views, exposure. TeamLiquid damages EG farm more than any tweet slasher reveals. I doubt anyone reads Slasher's tweets and stops. A ton of people will read about it on TL and stop though. To help you understand I think more people do this. Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> done. (probably most people) Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> EG Website -> done. Slasher tweet -> EG Website -> Team Liquid -> done. Slasher tweet- > done. (nobody) Slasher tweet -> Gamespot -> done. (almost nobody) So long as EG produces great content to follow-up their announcements it would be hard to quantify that Slasher's spoiler tweets cause any harm. But should EG be required to make hype videos and over the top announcements just to draw traffic to their brand? If so, where does that leave medium level and up 'n coming teams in eSports who cannot do much more than a simple announcement? Slasher has the right to do what ever he wants with his resources, but EG doesn't?
Uhh, elaborate. Not sure I'm following you here because what I've read from your other posts I think we're on the same side.
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On January 17 2013 02:08 eNtitY~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and an nouncing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. The difference though is that those sports teams are not dependent on sponsors so what is there really to hurt other than team moral? It's much different if a player doesn't want his team to know he's being shopped around because he feels bad than EG asking Slasher to not leak something so the sponsors that put money into this scene can get some more exposure.
First, Slasher did not leak anything. Information was leaked to Slasher. Slasher reported it, which is what most reporters often do. Second, if EG's sponsors thought the information was known only to EG and would not be leaked, that is a problem between EG and their sponsor. Either EG betrayed their sponsor by leaking it, or by suckering them into an investment into the secrecy of information that was already out of EG's control. I can understand why EG's sponsors would be upset with EG. For EG to deflect the blame onto a reporter who obtained the information independently from official EG channels is childish. Third, "EG asking Slasher to not leak something" is very different than "EG and Slasher agreed to not report something". This is not "The world according to EG."
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On January 17 2013 02:08 eNtitY~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and an nouncing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. No, success as a member of the team is what brings people to the brand. If Jaedong's announcement had gone through as EG had hoped, and even surpassed expectations, then the following day, Jaedong slipped on a banana peel and had to retire, the sponsors would be greatly disappointed. If a player signs for however much money, and fails to live up to expectations, then that's what hurts teams and sponsors. Generating hype from an announcement is a fantasy unless you know you have control over everyone who knows about the information. Major sports have trade rumors all the time, which are detrimental to the teams because no player wants to be mentioned as being shopped by his team, yet you don't hear actual sports teams bitching and complaining about how they are hurt by these rumors. They just 'no comment' or deny. That is what a professional organization does in response to "secrets" where there are adversarial parties who share that information. The difference though is that those sports teams are not dependent on sponsors so what is there really to hurt other than team moral? It's much different if a player doesn't want his team to know he's being shopped around because he feels bad than EG asking Slasher to not leak something so the sponsors that put money into this scene can get some more exposure. Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:49 crms wrote:On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.
This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation? I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best. I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for. Did knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier from a Slasher tweet, cause less people to view the big tyrant cometh hype content? Did knowing ThorzaiN -> EG weeks earlier cause less people to watch the incredible annoucement video? Unless you can show that it does, you're giving Slasher farm too much credit or coorelating 'surprise' factor with the actual nuts and bolts that matter to a company, page views, video views, exposure. TeamLiquid damages EG farm more than any tweet slasher reveals. I doubt anyone reads Slasher's tweets and stops. A ton of people will read about it on TL and stop though. To help you understand I think more people do this. Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> done. (probably most people) Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> EG Website -> done. Slasher tweet -> EG Website -> Team Liquid -> done. Slasher tweet- > done. (nobody) Slasher tweet -> Gamespot -> done. (almost nobody) So long as EG produces great content to follow-up their announcements it would be hard to quantify that Slasher's spoiler tweets cause any harm. But should EG be required to make hype videos and over the top announcements just to draw traffic to their brand? If so, where does that leave medium level and up 'n coming teams in eSports who cannot do much more than a simple announcement?
Absolutely they should be required to produce this content. Esports teams are nothing more than marketing agencies. If the team can't create something more exciting (doesn't have to be an EG quality video) than a tweet or a gamespot article. They aren't going to survive OR are so small that if Slasher actually tweeted about them, it would only increase their exposure and reach.
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personally, i hate it when slasher ruins announcments, EG and TL and TB all do great announcments while slasher only has a poorly written article. i hope these teams stop talking to slasher i dont want my news and enterntainment ruined by a selfish journalist. im all for a slasher boycott by all the top teams
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On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing. Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him. It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself. At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place." Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher. So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air? If they got it via a process it would be the first time they actually say what teams are in it, it's often kept quiet.
There are third parties participating in the process itself, sponsors, law professionals are probably present working out the terms, someone with association to kespa could have said something, there are a number of sources besides just EG that could leak the info. It isn't fair to instantly put the blame on EG
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