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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 16 2013 16:32 GMT
#8321
On January 17 2013 01:13 EG.lectR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 23:36 loladin wrote:
"You don't help the teams with eyeballs, you don't help the spectators with the view experiences, and beyond that you actually hurt.. you actively hurt the relationships and the give and take that make our industry even possible. Like, where do you think the money comes from? What do you think the sponsors pay for? They pay for marketing, they pay for exposure. And when you go and leak announcements not only do you provide no value for anyone except yourself, you steal value from the companies that support our company. [..] You make the team look bad because then we look like we're not able to manage our press relationships and manage our value propositions to our sponsors. The companies know you and they hate you." - Alex Garfield.

In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view?

Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly.



Delusion assumes he's off the mark or uninformed. You're really, really missing the point here.

Firstly, you're assuming that all information comes from one source...that when leaks happen they must be coming from the one team they're about (in this situation, that is). That just isn't true because of how e-sports [and nearly every industry which conducts any business transaction] works. For every player negotiation or team acquisition or sponsor arrangement, multiple people [and teams, in this case] are either bidding or in the conversation.

Secondly, if you feel we are "blaming Slasher for doing his job," then you're missing the point again. This conversation is about e-sports fragility and the value that we at EG have created through these "announcements." It deals with the balance between sharing information when you have it versus creating quality in having that information. And it's also about the balance of a relationship and the expectations of such.

If you feel this is EG seeking Slasher as a PR extension then you're very deluded by your own oversimplification of the issue. We have proven we don't need "e-sports reporting" to make headlines or news about us (both for good and bad reasons, of course). We create that naturally and unarguably better than anyone else in e-sports. What EG is seeking is a situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher and EG to be EG.



I'm geniunely curious in how you quantify the 'damage' Slasher's spoiler tweets or gamespot articles have. From a laymen outsider I can't imagine any actual damage that could be done.

From my own experience, EG has the best videos, the welcome thorzain and stephano videos were incredible, even with the rumors or articles coming out in advance I still watched the videos produced and I still visited the EG website.

Does EG really believe that people on twitter see Slasher post something, go read his gamespot article and say 'ok, all done.' And now because they have this information won't visit the EG page for the big announcement video/hype/article/interview etc?

The same eyeballs are visiting your hype content whether slasher writes an article about it or not. If you produce good content (eg does the best so far) his articles shouldn't have any impact on what you do.

So unless EG can quantify that Slasher's gamespot articles directly impact traffic to hype videos or the EG website, all he is doing is maybe taking some wind out of your hype for the SURPRISE, not the bottomline of generating buzz, views etc., the stuff you actually need.

Also, you should be much more concerned with TeamLiquid than Slasher. TL is the most interconnected site in the industry. I can read about player signings, see the hype and never have to visit your page at all. Slasher's gamespot articles don't have that kind of power whatsoever.
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eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
January 16 2013 16:32 GMT
#8322
On January 17 2013 01:28 DameHixxi wrote:
You are very much entitled to your opinion of my post. But if Idra wants to sit around and tell everyone that he and Team EG sound so much smarter than most other people in eSports in comparison, he could you know... make the effort to ... sound smarter than most other people in eSports.


Saying you sound smart because of the level of idiocy in the cesspool is hardly claiming you're so much smarter than everyone else, it's actually the opposite.
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unbaal
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden44 Posts
January 16 2013 16:33 GMT
#8323
@ crms thank you! I feel exactly the same way. I've read many of Slashers leaks and every time I can't wait for the official statement cause i know how well they are put together. I really don't think they hurt sponsors or the teams at all.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 16 2013 16:34 GMT
#8324
On January 17 2013 01:18 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:15 Irave wrote:
Turns out you don't know who Alex is. If you can't tell the difference between a multi billion dollar organization (sports) over a million dollar one (esports) you shouldn't chime in so aggressively.

The leak on A-Rod that you want to use as an example is silly. It doesn't matter if it gets leaked early. Why because its going to be on the cover of ESPN, every big city newspaper. Its a 150+ million dollar contract. The Yankees have no need to try and promote it, no sponsors to say thanks for making it happen.

Slasher leaks a big signing like JD, in the form of a tweet and a poorly written article. Which kills the work the teams do to hype up the player and plug their sponsors. Read the majority of the posts of when they did come out with their official announcement. Oh I already knew about this etc etc. EG isn't sitting comfortable where they can pay out a big contract and not get the most out of their investment. They don't have a billionaire owner, they have a list of sponsors they have to keep happy to keep living.

This community isn't as big as people want to think. Slasher is far from a journalist. A friend of people involved in the scene that he can overhear things and tweet about it. He has never named a source. He deals with small players of the scene and runs with it. If he was willing to work with owners, and put together better write ups he would be an asset. Now it just has the feel of, oh its all about Slasher. Going to leak the news first! He wouldn't even be capable of getting a job at TMZ.

Slasher is a journalist whether you like it or not. Your post was mildly reasonable up until the last paragraph where you started spouting about Slasher's inadequacies, much like Alex did. I don't think anyone is attacking Alex for being upset; they're attacking him for his unreasonable expectations and for the way he voiced his opinions.

I like Alex, but that was a very poor display, IMO.

Its that no fluff ITG we love. People can try and fault Alex for being upset, sure. However its apparent this has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime. The platform was already laid out to be a bit intense before Alex joined the discussion. He started out with relative calmness. Then between Slasher's bad mic and dodging questions, he got a bit upset. Someone is costing your company money, dodging your questions. Then producing lies, you wouldn't be upset?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
January 16 2013 16:35 GMT
#8325
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


Truer words have never been said.
xluik
Profile Joined September 2012
201 Posts
January 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#8326
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Hard to believe that. Plugging sponsors and showcasing products count as media training. Heck seeing what complexity is doing:

and the whole philosophy of EG as a marketing team makes it even more unbelievable that you have 0 media training.




eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 16:42:48
January 16 2013 16:40 GMT
#8327
On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation?


I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best.

I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 16 2013 16:43 GMT
#8328
On January 17 2013 01:32 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:13 EG.lectR wrote:
On January 16 2013 23:36 loladin wrote:
"You don't help the teams with eyeballs, you don't help the spectators with the view experiences, and beyond that you actually hurt.. you actively hurt the relationships and the give and take that make our industry even possible. Like, where do you think the money comes from? What do you think the sponsors pay for? They pay for marketing, they pay for exposure. And when you go and leak announcements not only do you provide no value for anyone except yourself, you steal value from the companies that support our company. [..] You make the team look bad because then we look like we're not able to manage our press relationships and manage our value propositions to our sponsors. The companies know you and they hate you." - Alex Garfield.

In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view?

Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly.



Delusion assumes he's off the mark or uninformed. You're really, really missing the point here.

Firstly, you're assuming that all information comes from one source...that when leaks happen they must be coming from the one team they're about (in this situation, that is). That just isn't true because of how e-sports [and nearly every industry which conducts any business transaction] works. For every player negotiation or team acquisition or sponsor arrangement, multiple people [and teams, in this case] are either bidding or in the conversation.

Secondly, if you feel we are "blaming Slasher for doing his job," then you're missing the point again. This conversation is about e-sports fragility and the value that we at EG have created through these "announcements." It deals with the balance between sharing information when you have it versus creating quality in having that information. And it's also about the balance of a relationship and the expectations of such.

If you feel this is EG seeking Slasher as a PR extension then you're very deluded by your own oversimplification of the issue. We have proven we don't need "e-sports reporting" to make headlines or news about us (both for good and bad reasons, of course). We create that naturally and unarguably better than anyone else in e-sports. What EG is seeking is a situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher and EG to be EG.



I'm geniunely curious in how you quantify the 'damage' Slasher's spoiler tweets or gamespot articles have. From a laymen outsider I can't imagine any actual damage that could be done.

From my own experience, EG has the best videos, the welcome thorzain and stephano videos were incredible, even with the rumors or articles coming out in advance I still watched the videos produced and I still visited the EG website.

Does EG really believe that people on twitter see Slasher post something, go read his gamespot article and say 'ok, all done.' And now because they have this information won't visit the EG page for the big announcement video/hype/article/interview etc?

The same eyeballs are visiting your hype content whether slasher writes an article about it or not. If you produce good content (eg does the best so far) his articles shouldn't have any impact on what you do.

So unless EG can quantify that Slasher's gamespot articles directly impact traffic to hype videos or the EG website, all he is doing is maybe taking some wind out of your hype for the SURPRISE, not the bottomline of generating buzz, views etc., the stuff you actually need.

Also, you should be much more concerned with TeamLiquid than Slasher. TL is the most interconnected site in the industry. I can read about player signings, see the hype and never have to visit your page at all. Slasher's gamespot articles don't have that kind of power whatsoever.


Well. fucking. said. Last paragraph is spot on.

People still get hyped about these announcements even though someone spoils it. Just look at the announcement threads here in TL. Tons of views, hundreds of pages of comments. And i'm sure many actually are even more curious to see the announcement video, interview or whatever, after they click the thread and read it despite expecting the announcement. At least I am, every time.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 16 2013 16:43 GMT
#8329
finally inside the game comes back and there were so many interesting things to talk about, after watching the vod i just wanna say im pretty sad about what topics 80% of the time was spent on
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
January 16 2013 16:44 GMT
#8330
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.
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JackDanger
Profile Joined August 2011
United States37 Posts
January 16 2013 16:44 GMT
#8331
On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation?


I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best.

I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for.

If your business model is that dependent on surprising everyone, and gets crippled by an independent journalist doing his job, then you have a flawed business model!
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
January 16 2013 16:46 GMT
#8332
On January 17 2013 01:01 Dotq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:36 Dotq wrote:
Holy shit, didnt even know this was an issue.

Alex Garfield sound like biggest duchbag on earth.


This kind of shit is we can't have real discussions. Ad hominem bullshit and utterly shallow off-the-cuff opinions by forum posters.


You cant have real dicussions because people will express their honest opinion about you on forums?

Pretty sure you can, but try to make sure you are calm and collected and show some respect to whom you are argueing with, so you dont come off as arrogant and duchbaggy like he did.



When the opinion is just "I hate X person" no you can't have an actual discussion. There's no argument, and you can't debate that topic because it's just his opinion. Personally I'm glad there is still someone in the community with a zero tolerance policy for stupid. Idiocy should be treated as such.
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 16 2013 16:47 GMT
#8333
On January 17 2013 01:13 EG.lectR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 23:36 loladin wrote:
"You don't help the teams with eyeballs, you don't help the spectators with the view experiences, and beyond that you actually hurt.. you actively hurt the relationships and the give and take that make our industry even possible. Like, where do you think the money comes from? What do you think the sponsors pay for? They pay for marketing, they pay for exposure. And when you go and leak announcements not only do you provide no value for anyone except yourself, you steal value from the companies that support our company. [..] You make the team look bad because then we look like we're not able to manage our press relationships and manage our value propositions to our sponsors. The companies know you and they hate you." - Alex Garfield.

In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view?

Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly.



Delusion assumes he's off the mark or uninformed. You're really, really missing the point here.

Firstly, you're assuming that all information comes from one source...that when leaks happen they must be coming from the one team they're about (in this situation, that is). That just isn't true because of how e-sports [and nearly every industry which conducts any business transaction] works. For every player negotiation or team acquisition or sponsor arrangement, multiple people [and teams, in this case] are either bidding or in the conversation.


If this is the case, which I assume it is, then why is EG and their sponsors so naive to think that their COMPETITORS won't leak that information to Slasher ? Wake TF Up. EG just outbid a competing team for top-notch players because they have deeper pockets, and you're upset that the competition takes an action to affect those deep pockets ? You want sympathy that your pockets deserve to be lined by keeping secrets when it it not only not in the interest of your competition, but to their detriment ? Grow up.

Do you think, given that you know other teams are COMPETING against you for the services of these players, and these teams know the player signed with someone else, that it's a good idea to make one of your EG-patented announcement announcements ? All this does is tell the competitor that it was EG who signed the player, if they didn't already know. Don't be so naive.

Secondly, if you feel we are "blaming Slasher for doing his job," then you're missing the point again. This conversation is about e-sports fragility and the value that we at EG have created through these "announcements." It deals with the balance between sharing information when you have it versus creating quality in having that information. And it's also about the balance of a relationship and the expectations of such.


E-sports fragility. Pfft. It's about EG getting money from EG sponsors and lining their own pockets. If you want to create value through these announcements, which you apparently take such great pride in your ability to do better than anyone else, then you should provide incentive for others who know these secrets to STFU. Unless you figure out how to provide incentive to your competition to keep your secrets, they aren't secrets, really, are they ?

Has it even been announced from where Slasher obtained the information ? Obviously Slasher should not reveal it, but if EG doesn't even know, then that's their problem, and theirs alone.
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1100 Posts
January 16 2013 16:48 GMT
#8334
wow, reading some of the posts on here is really really saddening.
I know the vast majority of people and supports of eSports aren't this juvenile or short-sighted but if I was Idra/Incontrol or anyone really who was involved with the show I'd be pretty upset and discouraged.

I guess TL at the end of the day is like any forum, but still it's sad that people don't listen or read what people with differing opinions have to say and at least try to understand it from that perspective.


On January 17 2013 01:35 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


Truer words have never been said.


This like this, make no sense what so ever and basically take random parts of people arguments out of context and then argue against them.
No one said that eSports shouldn't have journalism, that wasn't the argument at all. It wasn't 'journalism' that is the problem, it's how a type of journalism can affect a very tiny minority sport and community.

EG and TL can produce better content than Slasher could, that has been proven time after time after time, Slasher instead of making his 'reporting' worth something to the teams/sponsors (IE the people with the money who control stuff) he's making himself an enemy and is bringing himself into the spotlight and not the news which is a sign of bad journalism. By doing this he's only ever going to alienate himself from these people and said people are not going to want him to attend tournaments/events/press conferences etc etc...
Why, if you're a team owner would you want someone who constantly negatively affects your business and income want someone like that to have the ability to report events your present at.

If Slasher continues the only person he is going to hurt is himself and his own job, why would a normal person do that?
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
January 16 2013 16:49 GMT
#8335
On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.


He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 16 2013 16:49 GMT
#8336
On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation?


I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best.

I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for.


Did knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier from a Slasher tweet, cause less people to view the big tyrant cometh hype content?

Did knowing ThorzaiN -> EG weeks earlier cause less people to watch the incredible annoucement video?

Unless you can show that it does, you're giving Slasher farm too much credit or coorelating 'surprise' factor with the actual nuts and bolts that matter to a company, page views, video views, exposure. TeamLiquid damages EG farm more than any tweet slasher reveals. I doubt anyone reads Slasher's tweets and stops. A ton of people will read about it on TL and stop though.

To help you understand I think more people do this.

Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> done. (probably most people)

Slasher tweet -> TeamLiquid -> EG Website -> done.

Slasher tweet -> EG Website -> Team Liquid -> done.

Slasher tweet- > done. (nobody)

Slasher tweet -> Gamespot -> done. (almost nobody)

So long as EG produces great content to follow-up their announcements it would be hard to quantify that Slasher's spoiler tweets cause any harm.
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BlackPearl
Profile Joined January 2013
United States13 Posts
January 16 2013 16:52 GMT
#8337
Ok. I want to make this very clear to EG, TL, or any other website that does news.

If a source is leaked, someone will pick it up. This time it just happened to be Slasher.

It is your own organizations fault that it was leaked in the first place. Slasher got the information from outside sources, and the moment that he received the information, he had no obligation to keep it a secret.

The moment that someone in EG talked to one of their friends about it, they dropped the money and views that the announcement would bring on the ground.

So now, instead of Journalist B, C, or D picking up the story and making a large news announcement about it, Slasher broke the story. Regardless of his relationship with EG, EG does not sign his checks. He works for Gamestop, and its his job to break the information as soon as its leaked.

In short, if your information is leaked, it is only your fault.

If this information is so important and would damage multiple organizations, then you keep it under wraps, with non-disclosure agreements. Then, and only then if someone breaks the agreement do you have any right at all to be angry.

All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing.

eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
January 16 2013 16:52 GMT
#8338
On January 17 2013 01:44 JackDanger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation?


I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best.

I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for.

If your business model is that dependent on surprising everyone, and gets crippled by an independent journalist doing his job, then you have a flawed business model!


It's not dependent but it does not help, no one is saying the eSports model is perfect or even optimal but its all we currently have to work with and you tend to work with that you've got. Slasher could still do his job like Alex said by getting the exclusive, or injecting his own thoughts and opinions into a well written article to attract attention.
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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
January 16 2013 16:52 GMT
#8339
On January 17 2013 01:49 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.


He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point.


Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports?

The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me...
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
January 16 2013 16:54 GMT
#8340
On January 17 2013 01:44 JackDanger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:40 eNtitY~ wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:31 JackDanger wrote:
Frankly if esports can't withstand journalists practicing journalism then it doesn't deserve to exist.


This is clearly sour grapes over getting scooped on your own story. What exactly is the situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher while also not breaking stories when he uncovers them? And how does he even pretend to be a neutral presenter of facts in this situation?


I think you may be a little lost... In the current state of eSports it's next to impossible for a team to be the only ones with knowledge of a players signing like he said, many other sources would know. To say that eSports should cease to exist because of this is idiotic at best.

I don't understand how anyone in this thread can really be on Slasher's side (Aside from not completely grasping what is really being said) because everyone is on Teamliquid for eSports. In order for eSports to continue to grow the sponsors need to see some ROI, and announcing major changes, new pickups etc... is one of the best ways to bring people to that brand. Does anyone in here REALLY think they benefit more from knowing Jaedong -> EG 2 days earlier? Did it change your life at all? I can't comprehend this lust for what Slasher does in the community when it's clearing hurting what you're all here for.

If your business model is that dependent on surprising everyone, and gets crippled by an independent journalist doing his job, then you have a flawed business model!


What slasher did should not be constituted as his "job". He wrote a very poor, short and lazy article with the sole purpose of being the first to report the big news. There was zero effort on Slasher's part to do anything useful except bring attention to himself. Rather than taking the time to write a decent article he came out with a very short piece of garbage article that anyone could pop out of thin air in 20 minutes. If that is how Slasher does his "job", then Gamespot should be firing his lazy can ASAP.
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