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latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 17:42:38
January 16 2013 17:40 GMT
#8401
My 2 cents on this is that EG shouldn't realistically count on being the first ones to break their news if they keep delaying the announcements for 'marketing effect'. It's not about them controlling their leaks, it's about them expecting thigs that are not realistic.

2 solutions for them:

-Break as soon as possible, maybe even spend time and resources preparing their 'packages' or whatever before a deal is confirmed. risky, sure, but can be weighted against the benefits of an effective marketing strategy.

-Control leaks. This is impossible. Ok, maybe be more cautious, have everyone sign NDA's and stuff , but this will be expensive anyway and there'll be always some risk associated with it, also even if someone leaks and signed an NDA the journalist has no obligation to reveal the source so...

and bonus: don't promise things you can't deliver and certainly don't blame others when you couldn't.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
January 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#8402
On January 17 2013 02:30 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 02:26 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:22 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
personally, i hate it when slasher ruins announcments, EG and TL and TB all do great announcments while slasher only has a poorly written article. i hope these teams stop talking to slasher i dont want my news and enterntainment ruined by a selfish journalist. im all for a slasher boycott by all the top teams


This is quite interesting.
I don't get the same thing I still get hyped and want to check out what the team has to say in their announcement.

Do you feel less hyped because of it and do you ignore the announcements from the teams if you read it somewhere else?


It's not necessarily about those of us who are really into esports who will view all the content, but for other people not as into esports who find a short article on gamespot 2 days before the official announcement that basically says "Jaedong to EG." and go, "oh cool", and go back to browsing gamespot. Where as if he waits, posts a detailed article and maybe even links EG's announcement in his article, he gets his views, but he helps EG as well.


I actually have friends thats not that into esports but still watch some especially now with KeSPA boys in the house.
They for a fact only look at reddit and follow some streamers like incontrol on twitter, if they hear a new announce like the EG one, they wouldn't even go to Gamespot or know about it but only click on the links on Reddit or twitter.

If Gamespot readers(not necessary interested in SC2) hear about it they wouldn't go to EG to hear about it.
Thats how I see it and it's reality.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 02:29 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:24 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:20 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:
All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing.


Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him.


It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself.

At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place."


Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher.


So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?
If they got it via a process it would be the first time they actually say what teams are in it, it's often kept quiet.


There are third parties participating in the process itself, sponsors, law professionals are probably present working out the terms, someone with association to kespa could have said something, there are a number of sources besides just EG that could leak the info. It isn't fair to instantly put the blame on EG


Well I don't thin it is sorry.
And since I nor you are actually part of such a process I doubt we will ever know about it.
I doubt a player gets all of the teams thats interested in him in the same room or call.


So in reality you don't actually know. Your just guessing. Which means there's no reason for you to assume someone at EG is responsible. Because you don't actually have any idea.


Well thats two different things.
EG are upset on Slasher for breaking the news, news that they want to be first with.
It's still there responsibility to keep the mouths shut if they want to do this.


Your first comment is actually exactly my point. People who aren't into Esports probably won't read more than one or maybe two things about the same esports news.

And again, it's entirely possible that EG did keep their mouth shut and that someone outside of EG told slasher. We don't know. But the possibility exists
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#8403
Look, EG and Alex had very valid points and had a reason to be upset/pissed whatever. And in this instance, his tweets were probably pretty bad, uninformative, sloppy, lazy etc.

However, it makes me uncomfortable if/when corporations have the ability to strongarm or bully journalist into producing only content they approve of or content that helps them. This sets a dangerous precedent and would make the news media as awful and corporate owned as it is in the USA.

There will be good journalism, bad, sensational, spoilers etc., at the end of the day the teams have to produce great content and deal with the press as the seperate, independant entity it should be. They shouldn't have any say in the reporting of anything other than their own site.
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
January 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#8404
On January 17 2013 02:22 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 02:17 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:14 NexRex wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:
All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing.


Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him.


It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself.

At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place."


Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher.


So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?


Actually, wasn't it a tournament organizer that leaked news to Slasher too?

yeah IPL i believe, even though EG asked IPL not to leak it, EG had to submit their team to IPL, so obviously EG.JaeDong was on that roster (as they want him in that league)


If this is the case, then EG simply needs to manage their announcements better. Submitting the roster to IPL was their announcement. If they want to generate views and clicks, then they should have made their videos and content related to the announcement in a more timely fashion. If that's not possible, then they simply lose an opportunity to seize the benefits.


I can't imagine there wasn't an agreement between IPL and EG (likely a written NDA) to not leak the information. EG should have confidence that the information isn't shared with the outside. IPL has probably gotten advanced notice of new player signings many times in the past without leaking it.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#8405
On January 17 2013 02:35 eNtitY~ wrote:
I feel like you didn't watch the episode... There are many teams bidding on players and obviously the players and management from his old team know he's leaving well in advance, (Which has spoiled announcements in the past) under no circumstances would the acquiring team be the only source to the pickup ever... The sponsors (Not being on the 'in' of the scene) may then look at EG and might think the management is doing a piss poor job because they can't seem to get rid of the leaks. I'm not articulating it right now as well as Alex did last night, but it's a valid point.


Bolded part says it all. The problem lies in EG's relationship with their sponsors, specifically that sponsors apparently are led to believe, that information that is widely available will result in a great number of views when EG makes their great announcement. The sponsors shouldn't look at EG's inability to control leaks, they should look at EG's ability to mislead it's sponsors into believing this information isn't as widely available as it is, which leads the sponsors to invest money into an impossible-to-realize payoff for the official EG announcement. It has nothing to do with Slasher. It has everything to do with sponsors investing in secrets which aren't secrets at all. Apparently sponsors have learned this now, and EG is dealing with the repercussions by deflecting blame onto Slasher.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
January 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#8406
Why not just leak some false info from time to time, every time it gets reported his credibility takes a hit. In the future, even if something is true, everyone will question it.
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#8407
On January 17 2013 02:41 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 02:30 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:26 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:22 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:19 L3g3nd_ wrote:
personally, i hate it when slasher ruins announcments, EG and TL and TB all do great announcments while slasher only has a poorly written article. i hope these teams stop talking to slasher i dont want my news and enterntainment ruined by a selfish journalist. im all for a slasher boycott by all the top teams


This is quite interesting.
I don't get the same thing I still get hyped and want to check out what the team has to say in their announcement.

Do you feel less hyped because of it and do you ignore the announcements from the teams if you read it somewhere else?


It's not necessarily about those of us who are really into esports who will view all the content, but for other people not as into esports who find a short article on gamespot 2 days before the official announcement that basically says "Jaedong to EG." and go, "oh cool", and go back to browsing gamespot. Where as if he waits, posts a detailed article and maybe even links EG's announcement in his article, he gets his views, but he helps EG as well.


I actually have friends thats not that into esports but still watch some especially now with KeSPA boys in the house.
They for a fact only look at reddit and follow some streamers like incontrol on twitter, if they hear a new announce like the EG one, they wouldn't even go to Gamespot or know about it but only click on the links on Reddit or twitter.

If Gamespot readers(not necessary interested in SC2) hear about it they wouldn't go to EG to hear about it.
Thats how I see it and it's reality.

On January 17 2013 02:29 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:24 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:20 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:11 Tobblish wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:08 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 02:06 BlackPearl wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:59 MstrJinbo wrote:
All this talk about banding against Slasher to not talk to him, will do no good. If you had this "union" in place against him, he would still have been able to get this information, so not only does this make EG look very unprofessional, and unable to manage the information and players on its team, but it also accomplishes nothing.


Gamespot isn't paying him to tweet rumors. If he can't get exclusive content from teams and their players it hurts his ability to report actual news. That's the whole point of teams collaborating to cut off contact with him.


It's not exclusive content if its leaked. You leak something, no longer exclusive. THIS IS actual news. And the "actual news" part of your post, has nothing to do with the situation itself. Gamestop DOES pay him, that's precisely why he should do this. If people start to be like, "Oh crap, Slasher is on the cutting edge of news and has sources, and he can get all the good information noone wants to know about." Then guess what, he's going to get a ton more traffic to himself.

At any point that is all irrelevant. The argument should not be "Why did Slasher do this." it should be "Why did someone in EG leak the information in the first place."


Why is someone in EG responsible? There were third parties involved in the process who could easily give that info to Slasher.


So you say that 3rd parties got the news just out of the thin air?
If they got it via a process it would be the first time they actually say what teams are in it, it's often kept quiet.


There are third parties participating in the process itself, sponsors, law professionals are probably present working out the terms, someone with association to kespa could have said something, there are a number of sources besides just EG that could leak the info. It isn't fair to instantly put the blame on EG


Well I don't thin it is sorry.
And since I nor you are actually part of such a process I doubt we will ever know about it.
I doubt a player gets all of the teams thats interested in him in the same room or call.


So in reality you don't actually know. Your just guessing. Which means there's no reason for you to assume someone at EG is responsible. Because you don't actually have any idea.


Well thats two different things.
EG are upset on Slasher for breaking the news, news that they want to be first with.
It's still there responsibility to keep the mouths shut if they want to do this.


Your first comment is actually exactly my point. People who aren't into Esports probably won't read more than one or maybe two things about the same esports news.


What I tried to say with the first comment is that even if a leak is done, they would still go to the announcement video or thread.
The curse is real
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 17:55:40
January 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#8408
I know this is Inside the Game thread, and i feel bad for 'promoting' this here, but since all the discussion is being discussed here: The Executives #23: Careers in eSports Journalism with Richard Lewis of Heaven Media´, is starting in 15minutes or so (check calendar). I'm sure we'll hear valid points and opinions by Jason Lake (CEO of Complexity) ODEE (CEO of Dignitas) and whoever is on the show with them.

http://www.twitch.tv/compLexity/new
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#8409
The way I see it, we're fighting a war between freedom and oppression. One path leads to dominance, overlords and subservience. Think Starship Troopers, but instead of body armor we're wearing the weird purple EG t-shirt. It's better than the TL one, but only just. The other path leads into the stars. It's scary there, we haven't been there; it's vacuous and dangerous. But we're free. Freedom from sponsors, delayed announcements and chinstrap beards. We could be children of the stars. This is our choice. And we'll keep fighting. And we'll win.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
January 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#8410
On January 17 2013 02:43 Reborn8u wrote:
Why not just leak some false info from time to time, every time it gets reported his credibility takes a hit. In the future, even if something is true, everyone will question it.


Or why not spent time on making your own business better instead of spending time on something stupid like that that brings no value to your own?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#8411
On January 17 2013 02:54 sparklyresidue wrote:
The way I see it, we're fighting a war between freedom and oppression. One path leads to dominance, overlords and subservience. Think Starship Troopers, but instead of body armor we're wearing the weird purple EG t-shirt. It's better than the TL one, but only just. The other path leads into the stars. It's scary there, we haven't been there; it's vacuous and dangerous. But we're free. Freedom from sponsors, delayed announcements and chinstrap beards. We could be children of the stars. This is our choice. And we'll keep fighting. And we'll win.


This guy might be on to something. We can't all have chin strap beards, think of the ladies. Think of the children.
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
January 16 2013 18:04 GMT
#8412
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.

I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press?
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
January 16 2013 18:05 GMT
#8413
What if EG leaked the info to Slasher on purpose have him release it, so they could start drama and a shitstorm and thus get EVEN MORE publicity and views?

mind blown .....
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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 18:08:42
January 16 2013 18:08 GMT
#8414
On January 17 2013 01:58 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:52 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:49 ronpaul012 wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.


He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point.


Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports?

The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me...


How did you even get from Idras comment to the language that people speak? There's no link between what Idra said and the usage of language whatsoever unless your counting Idras exaggeration of his point. Obviously, 99 percent of e-sports isn't literal, I'm not sure most of South Korea even knows this thing exists. 99 percent of NA esports would have been more accurate. Your comments have no logical link to them whatsoever


He said 99% of people involved in esports are inarticulate, I said that's because most of them aren't native English speakers. I really don't see how the logic in that is so hard to find.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 16 2013 18:12 GMT
#8415
On January 17 2013 03:08 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:58 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:52 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:49 ronpaul012 wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.


He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point.


Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports?

The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me...


How did you even get from Idras comment to the language that people speak? There's no link between what Idra said and the usage of language whatsoever unless your counting Idras exaggeration of his point. Obviously, 99 percent of e-sports isn't literal, I'm not sure most of South Korea even knows this thing exists. 99 percent of NA esports would have been more accurate. Your comments have no logical link to them whatsoever


He said 99% of people involved in esports are inarticulate, I said that's because most of them aren't native English speakers. I really don't see how the logic in that is so hard to find.

plenty of native english speakers come off as idiots too, but that hardly matters. the why is irrelevant. me and geoff and whoever else you're trying to include are not masters of pr. this situation and all of the others kind of demonstrate that. we just sound better than other people, whatever that reason may be, so people like you chalk the team's success up to non existent "media training"
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#8416
On January 17 2013 03:08 kafkaesque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 01:58 Wingblade wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:52 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:49 ronpaul012 wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:
On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.

Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.

That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.

I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions.

we have 0 media training
but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin.


Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it?

An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language.


He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point.


Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports?

The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me...


How did you even get from Idras comment to the language that people speak? There's no link between what Idra said and the usage of language whatsoever unless your counting Idras exaggeration of his point. Obviously, 99 percent of e-sports isn't literal, I'm not sure most of South Korea even knows this thing exists. 99 percent of NA esports would have been more accurate. Your comments have no logical link to them whatsoever


He said 99% of people involved in esports are inarticulate, I said that's because most of them aren't native English speakers. I really don't see how the logic in that is so hard to find.


EG had asked me to keep this under wraps until they have a chance to put together an announcement of their upcoming announcement, but I'm going to break news in the spirit of this thread.

EG signs with new sponsor: Hooked on Phonics.

Greg Fields is in charge of promoting the language learning product to the significant majority of the eSports community who are illiterate morons. Sorry I didn't have time to put together a more detailed report, but I didn't want someone else to beat me to it.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 16 2013 18:16 GMT
#8417
On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.

I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press?

the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.
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BlackPearl
Profile Joined January 2013
United States13 Posts
January 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#8418
On January 17 2013 02:29 JackDanger wrote:
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On January 17 2013 02:26 Wingblade wrote:


It's not necessarily about those of us who are really into esports who will view all the content, but for other people not as into esports who find a short article on gamespot 2 days before the official announcement that basically says "Jaedong to EG." and go, "oh cool", and go back to browsing gamespot. Where as if he waits, posts a detailed article and maybe even links EG's announcement in his article, he gets his views, but he helps EG as well.

Then that falls on EG to get an agreement in place before HE FINDS OUT THROUGH OUTSIDE SOURCES. This was not a secret in any sense of the word, and it would have been idiotic and borderline unprofessional for him to not run this story.


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SXGCoil
Profile Joined February 2012
United States341 Posts
January 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#8419
On January 17 2013 00:27 TheSir wrote:
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On January 17 2013 00:03 Brawny wrote:
On January 16 2013 23:39 TheSir wrote:
On January 16 2013 22:30 Brawny wrote:
So somehow one of the leaders in the industry can't fucking say his opinion? Dude's 27 and owns the richest team in SC2.
Look, kid, being condescending doesn't make you look smart.


I know he's 27 and thats why i can call him a kid and owning a team doesn't mean he knows whats journalism and whats not. He can speak his mind about it but everyone in the world can call him out for it cause his opinion isn't more legit then the hobo on the corner of my street. The fact he runs and owns a successful team is irrelevant to that manner. All his questions and complains were all about how it was hurting his business, which again have nothing to do with journalism itself.

Not to mention he attacked (he even threatened him publicly to basically ban him, yeah..... ) Slasher personally on a subject he has nothing to do with. It was not about the news it self, its all about how Slasher steals the spotlight...
Bullshit, when information gets leaked, the team or player or what or who ever has nothing to do with it anymore. It's not longer their information.

You never tell someone how he should do his job when you dont have shit to do with it, especially when you do something else for a living. That it affects you or your business is still not a legit reason to call someone out for it and attack him.
Just like Slasher shouldn't tell Incontrol how to play against who ever in a SC2 match, how ridiculous would that be if Incontrol has to defend his play to Slasher.... It's the same thing, Slasher can give his opinion but how hard would everyone laugh when he would ask questions and attack a player publicly live on a show? Right.....

It's all bullshit like so many things that come on on these 'Reddit' shows.

Alright, by that logic, you can't tell Alex what he should do since you're not a team owner.
Comparing his opinion to that of a hobo is ridiculous. In his several years of running his team, I'm sure he has a large amount of experience working with the media and therefore has a good idea of how journalism works.
"doesn't have shit to do with it"? Alex's team is directly affected by Slasher's journalism.


Well you wont see me on ITG calling in on skype and telling Alex Garfield how he should run his team cause i dont know shit about it and i have nothing to do with it. And no it's not ridiculous to compare his opinion to a hobo. Dealing with media doesn't mean your the one to tell a journalist how he should do his job and what journalism is and whats not, a hobo can do the same thing and both opinions would be the same, bullshit. There is no such thing as 'this is how journalism works or should work' there aren't any rules or what ever, a journalist does his thing and it works for him or it doesn't.

EG might be affected when Slasher brings something but again, no they dont have shit to do with how or when Slasher brings a story/news. Their involvement in the story/news etc stopped when the information got from them to Slasher, just like Slasher has nothing to do with if and how a story affects a business or what ever.

Alright, so, imagine this hypothetic scenario.
Slasher starts reporting blatantly wrong news(EG disbands; Players move on to be Wedding planners), Alex can't say shit because he's not a journalist? sigh.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 18:24:04
January 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#8420
On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.

I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press?

the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.

The problem is that if he doesn't say it someone else will and than you and him will be left looking like complete idiots because people in esports handle information like a 5$ hooker in a frat house party.
It's astounding how you,Alex Garfield and the whole EG organization as it seems can sit there and blame Slasher for your fuck up which was to let the information leak in the first place.Give me a fucking break.
Even if everyone stops talking to Rod the fucking information GETS LEAKED AGAIN,it doesn't need to be Slasher that gets to it first but someone else will and eventually it will come to Slasher again.Like who the fuck does EG think they are for telling Slasher they are going force people to not ever talk to him again.
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