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On January 17 2013 02:17 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 01:13 EG.lectR wrote:On January 16 2013 23:36 loladin wrote:
"You don't help the teams with eyeballs, you don't help the spectators with the view experiences, and beyond that you actually hurt.. you actively hurt the relationships and the give and take that make our industry even possible. Like, where do you think the money comes from? What do you think the sponsors pay for? They pay for marketing, they pay for exposure. And when you go and leak announcements not only do you provide no value for anyone except yourself, you steal value from the companies that support our company. [..] You make the team look bad because then we look like we're not able to manage our press relationships and manage our value propositions to our sponsors. The companies know you and they hate you." - Alex Garfield.
In my opinion this just shows how deluded Alex Garfield is. Why is he going after Slasher, who is an eSports reporter? This tirade should be aimed at whomever in the EG organization that leaked the information in the first place. How can anyone even have this point of view?
Since when is it anyones job but someone on the EG payroll to make EG look good? This is beyond silly. Delusion assumes he's off the mark or uninformed. You're really, really missing the point here. Firstly, you're assuming that all information comes from one source...that when leaks happen they must be coming from the one team they're about (in this situation, that is). That just isn't true because of how e-sports [and nearly every industry which conducts any business transaction] works. For every player negotiation or team acquisition or sponsor arrangement, multiple people [and teams, in this case] are either bidding or in the conversation. Secondly, if you feel we are "blaming Slasher for doing his job," then you're missing the point again. This conversation is about e-sports fragility and the value that we at EG have created through these "announcements." It deals with the balance between sharing information when you have it versus creating quality in having that information. And it's also about the balance of a relationship and the expectations of such. If you feel this is EG seeking Slasher as a PR extension then you're very deluded by your own oversimplification of the issue. We have proven we don't need "e-sports reporting" to make headlines or news about us (both for good and bad reasons, of course). We create that naturally and unarguably better than anyone else in e-sports. What EG is seeking is a situation that allows Slasher to be Slasher and EG to be EG. If there are multiple parties involved, shouldn't there be a mutual interest not to allow leaks, else Company A may be reluctant to work with company B in the future? Near the beginning of last night's discussion, I recall someone bringing up that esports is very "everyone knows everyone" at the top, and it sounded almost like extended family. However, esports/"the scene" seems to have its own growing up to do, probably in addition to expecting better journalism from Slasher and others (if for no other reason than that people should always be seeking self-improvement). Sometimes it's a bitter pill to swallow, but you have to focus on things you can change. And EG probably already does that, but going after journalists will set yourselves up to look like you're stifling the press. Now a Swedish news source Rakaka is speaking out for Slasher. Consider that TB came out of this stating his point, which is quite similar to EG's, but he came out way stronger. It's probably better to learn from TB and other examples than to try and control journalists, even if your opinion of their work is low.
There should be, but I'm not sure in what world that is possible. You're essentially saying, "You know guys...we're all talking about this, so let's make sure to keep it private." You can do that 100 times over, but at the end of the day "somebody somewhere" always tells a friend who tells a friend who tells Slasher (just kidding).
And this isn't a matter of just going after a journalist...it's much more than that. Plus, Rakaka supporting Slasher strikes me as slightly ironic considering Rakaka is the National Enquirer of e-sports.
I don't think Alex went about it the best way (and I think he'd agree to this), but his main point is realistic and accurate. I don't think this is the type of conversation that can be had on an internet forum though. It's just impossible to discuss everything.
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I thought it was an interesting show this time around. Actors in Esports generally feel an ownership to news and events concerning their own brand. They want to funnel information through their own channels in order to maximize sponsor exposure and mechandizing. But the reality is that the information and news is free. I think it is unprofessional for organisation representatives to verbally attack Slasher for just using an asset that is in essence ownerless to make a living.
The fact that he is able to get the word out faster means he functions better as a news outlet than the actors themselves which I think shows that Slasher is not a useless entity in the esports sphere. If you want to be first with the news, either control the information so that other parties don't have access to it or get the news out faster yourselves.
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On January 17 2013 03:12 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:08 kafkaesque wrote:On January 17 2013 01:58 Wingblade wrote:On January 17 2013 01:52 kafkaesque wrote:On January 17 2013 01:49 ronpaul012 wrote:On January 17 2013 01:44 kafkaesque wrote:On January 17 2013 01:13 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 01:06 kafkaesque wrote:
EG's media training really shines through here.
Were it not for the fact that these guys could sell the Pope a twin bed, we wouldn't even think about the fact that Slasher's doing his job as a consciencious journalist might interfere with a companie's means of making moolah.
That's like saying there shouldn't be reports about the circumstances at FOXCONN because it might hurt Apple's profit margins.
I'm rather annoyed by myself, since I found myself rather impressed by the EG owner once or twice, albeit being on the polar opposite of opinions. we have 0 media training but 99% of the people in esports comes off as inarticulate imbeciles so we sound smart. if we were so good at manipulating public opinion there wouldnt be a shitfest on here and reddit every time we voice an opinin. Them being less articulate than you guys surely has nothing to do with the fact that you live in an English speaking country, went to schools where English is spoken, were surrounded by English speaking people and had the luxury of focussing on a singular language your entire lives, does it? An inability to speak proper English doesn't equate to being an "imbecile", the rest of the world is just concerned with more than one language. He's not trashing people who's native language isn't English, he's trashing slasher and a lot of others in the NA community. They've all had the same opportunities, and I think you are missing his point. Oh, he is talking about a small, select group of people in a small portion of a subculture of E-Sports? The "99% of the people in esports" must have misled me... How did you even get from Idras comment to the language that people speak? There's no link between what Idra said and the usage of language whatsoever unless your counting Idras exaggeration of his point. Obviously, 99 percent of e-sports isn't literal, I'm not sure most of South Korea even knows this thing exists. 99 percent of NA esports would have been more accurate. Your comments have no logical link to them whatsoever He said 99% of people involved in esports are inarticulate, I said that's because most of them aren't native English speakers. I really don't see how the logic in that is so hard to find. plenty of native english speakers come off as idiots too, but that hardly matters. the why is irrelevant. me and geoff and whoever else you're trying to include are not masters of pr. this situation and all of the others kind of demonstrate that. we just sound better than other people, whatever that reason may be, so people like you chalk the team's success up to non existent "media training"
That I never did, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff I don't know about behind the scenes that distinguishes EG from less successfull teams. But on the surface, from the outside looking in, it does seem that you guys' success is largely based on how you and Incontrol present the team towards media and sponsors.
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On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.
And it is a practice for some professional journalist to give people a heads up that they are going to be reporting on something as a professional courtesy. Then the other side (EG, TL MLG, NASL) has the option to push up their announcement or at least prepare to respond to the news when questions come in. A lot of professional fields have similar practices. My firm will give opposing counsel a heads up if we are going to file an aggressive motion, if we have a good relationship with them. We are still trying to kick their ass, but we don’t feel the need to blind side them, as we may need a favor down the line.
That is really the point that Alex Garfield getting to. It is not the fact that Slasher reports the news, but the way he goes about it. Professional courtesy goes a long way and is a good practice for anyone in a mildly combative field.
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On January 17 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. And it is a practice for some professional journalist to give people a heads up that they are going to be reporting on something as a professional courtesy. Then the other side (EG, TL MLG, NASL) has the option to push up their announcement or at least prepare to respond to the news when questions come in. A lot of professional fields have similar practices. My firm will give opposing counsel a heads up if we are going to file an aggressive motion, if we have a good relationship with them. We are still trying to kick their ass, but we don’t feel the need to blind side them, as we may need a favor down the line. That is really the point that Alex Garfield getting to. It is not the fact that Slasher reports the news, but the way he goes about it. Professional courtesy goes a long way and is a good practice for anyone in a mildly combative field.
He doesn't work for EG. Their argument is irrelevant. There is no argument. EG made a mistake, don't blame the journalist.
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I really enjoyed the first 45min or so, when you talked about the HotS, SPL, free agents etc.
The part about eSports journalism I found in parts cringeworthy and I don't think this should be discussed in public (no matter how justified the points being made were). However, judging by the lively discussion, there are plenty of people interested in this, so I guess I'm in a minority here.
Anyways, thanks for the show guys, <3 ITG.
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On January 17 2013 03:20 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. The problem is that if he doesn't say it someone else will and than you and him will be left looking like complete idiots because people in esports handle information like a 5$ hooker in a frat house party. It's astounding how you,Alex Garfield and the whole EG organization as it seems can sit there and blame Slasher for your fuck up which was to let the information leak in the first place.Give me a fucking break. Even if everyone stops talking to Rod the fucking information GETS LEAKED AGAIN,it doesn't need to be Slasher that gets to it first but someone else will and eventually it will come to Slasher again.Like who the fuck does EG think they are for telling Slasher they are going force people to not ever talk to him again.
its impossible to actually keep a lid on information in esports because so many parties have to be involved in anything that would be worth leaking. so no one at all tells anything important to random idiots who cant be trusted. people talk to slasher because he does do legitimate journalism, as with the thorzain interview where he cooperated with eg. the entire point of this is that people are going to choose to not tell him anything if he keeps using information like this. its not like alex is threatening other team owners into this, jason lake from complexity tweeted something exactly along those lines when the drama first hit twitter and nazul was unhappy about the snute leak. you can hardly blame eg when everyone is pissed off about the way he's acting and is working together to stop it.
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On January 17 2013 03:20 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. The problem is that if he doesn't say it someone else will and than you and him will be left looking like complete idiots because people in esports handle information like a 5$ hooker in a frat house party. It's astounding how you,Alex Garfield and the whole EG organization as it seems can sit there and blame Slasher for your fuck up which was to let the information leak in the first place.Give me a fucking break. Even if everyone stops talking to Rod the fucking information GETS LEAKED AGAIN,it doesn't need to be Slasher that gets to it first but someone else will and eventually it will come to Slasher again.Like who the fuck does EG think they are for telling Slasher they are going force people to not ever talk to him again.
That is the point though, that people don't want to have to shut out Slasher completely. He is a part of the Esports scene and Alex does not want to have to tell his players "Don't talk to Slasher at all, or anyone you know he is friendly with". I said it before in my post about professional courtesy, that Slasher should make it a practice to give a team a heads up when he is going to drop information that they planned to announce at a later date. Even if he doesn't plan to delay reporting on it, the heads up shows a level of respect between him and the people he is reporting on. It goes a long way toward building a professional relationship, rather then a totally combative one.
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On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:
the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.
Are you suggesting that this was illegitimate journalism?
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On January 17 2013 03:30 BlackPearl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. And it is a practice for some professional journalist to give people a heads up that they are going to be reporting on something as a professional courtesy. Then the other side (EG, TL MLG, NASL) has the option to push up their announcement or at least prepare to respond to the news when questions come in. A lot of professional fields have similar practices. My firm will give opposing counsel a heads up if we are going to file an aggressive motion, if we have a good relationship with them. We are still trying to kick their ass, but we don’t feel the need to blind side them, as we may need a favor down the line. That is really the point that Alex Garfield getting to. It is not the fact that Slasher reports the news, but the way he goes about it. Professional courtesy goes a long way and is a good practice for anyone in a mildly combative field. He doesn't work for EG. Their argument is irrelevant. There is no argument. EG made a mistake, don't blame the journalist.
The only mistake that EG made here was trusting Slasher with the information to announce after the official announcement came out. Just because someone didn't do anything wrong mean they made the right decision in the end. Instead of just writing an article about how Jaedong was going to be moving to EG, he could have secured interviews and additional content, so that when the time came, he could all of a sudden come out with HUGE amounts of media at a time that everyone is curious about who Jaedong is and why he's leaving the Korean teams.
As Plansix mentioned, what's more important here is the "professional courtesy" that is missing in the way that Slasher lessens the excitement of new developments for the sake of being "first".
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On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.
I'm not comfortable with the fact that you imply that what he did is illegitimate journalism. As long as he doesn't steal the information he got it is legitimate. Harmful for the organisation you work for but still something most journalists would do.
This happens all the time in many different fields, some car companies or videogame publishers are going to get pissed that a journalist got his hands on leaked info and reports on it ahead of announcements, making them lose some potential revenue.
EG should be angry that someone in the organisation or their sponsors leaked the info instead of being mad at Slasher imo. Make it so that anyone that is caught leaking information is going to be harshly dealt with. You can't blame the journalist for doing his job.
edit : spelling
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On January 17 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. And it is a practice for some professional journalist to give people a heads up that they are going to be reporting on something as a professional courtesy. Then the other side (EG, TL MLG, NASL) has the option to push up their announcement or at least prepare to respond to the news when questions come in. A lot of professional fields have similar practices. My firm will give opposing counsel a heads up if we are going to file an aggressive motion, if we have a good relationship with them. We are still trying to kick their ass, but we don’t feel the need to blind side them, as we may need a favor down the line. That is really the point that Alex Garfield getting to. It is not the fact that Slasher reports the news, but the way he goes about it. Professional courtesy goes a long way and is a good practice for anyone in a mildly combative field.
No, Alex was upset that Slasher reported the news before EG could benefit from the announcement they intended to make. He also piled on about his alleged lack of quality of the report, but ultimately it was the timing. There would be no complaint from Alex if Slasher put out the exact same quality, but AFTER EG made their announcement.
On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism.
Pretty much everyone lol. Is it bad for whichever team lost in the bidding wars for Stephano and Jaedong that EG could take a financial hit from Slasher's report ? I suspect it's going to be difficult for EG to convince their competition that it's in "pretty much everyone's" best interest that EG is able to reap the financial rewards from everyone else's withholding information. EG would never turn around and use those profits to outbid them on future players. That could never happen because EG is all about what's best for the eSports industry.
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On January 17 2013 03:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:20 TheKefka wrote:On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. The problem is that if he doesn't say it someone else will and than you and him will be left looking like complete idiots because people in esports handle information like a 5$ hooker in a frat house party. It's astounding how you,Alex Garfield and the whole EG organization as it seems can sit there and blame Slasher for your fuck up which was to let the information leak in the first place.Give me a fucking break. Even if everyone stops talking to Rod the fucking information GETS LEAKED AGAIN,it doesn't need to be Slasher that gets to it first but someone else will and eventually it will come to Slasher again.Like who the fuck does EG think they are for telling Slasher they are going force people to not ever talk to him again. its impossible to actually keep a lid on information in esports because so many parties have to be involved in anything that would be worth leaking. so no one at all tells anything important to random idiots who cant be trusted. people talk to slasher because he does do legitimate journalism, as with the thorzain interview where he cooperated with eg. the entire point of this is that people are going to choose to not tell him anything if he keeps using information like this. its not like alex is threatening other team owners into this, jason lake from complexity tweeted something exactly along those lines when the drama first hit twitter and nazul was unhappy about the snute leak. you can hardly blame eg when everyone is pissed off about the way he's acting and is working together to stop it.
No dude you are completely wrong.This is EGs whole problem,you guys assume that you know where your information is going and what people do with it and obviously that isn't the case.How do you know people are going to stop talking to Slasher if he doesn't stop this?What makes you think that the person that actually told him this information in the first place is unhappy about it right now?
And yes what alex did on the show was threaten slasher,so please don't try to down play it because there's a VOD.The way he handled this was completely out of line and he essentially demanded from Slasher to publicly denounce his profession and enter EG's back pocket,I'm sorry, but that's essentially what happens if EG gets to control the information and time at which Slasher releases information.
Sign fucking NDAs and start firing people if you are unhappy how things work currently.That's how the real world works and to expect esports to be this grand exception just because we have this little tiny space is completely unreasonable and it won't happen.
The way this should have went down is a single fucking skype call between Garfield and Slasher and whoever else has a problem with Slasher,not bring the guy onto a EG show and try to strong arm him into admitting that he's wrong about releasing information he got from a 3rd party.Because how Garfield ended up looking in all of this is a pissy little man who has no idea how to keep people close and when it's time to accept responsibility he trys to shift the blame to the journalist for picking up his "Top secret" file from the side walk.
On January 17 2013 02:24 Crashburn wrote:
Ultimately, EG's issue with Breslau's reporting is their fault. If they want information used the way they want it to be used, they need to withhold that information as they see fit, which is certainly their right. Breslau's effort to find that information and his ability to find and cultivate sources of that information is to be commended, not criticized and ridiculed.
If you don't want information to come out than find a way to do it,if you can't than find a way to cope with it that doesn't involve threatening people on talk shows.
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So I just finally watched the entire discussion in the VOD and quite frankly, I've lost a dramatic amount of respect for EG as an organization. In my opinion, the entire argumentation from the very begining is based on a terribly wrong assumption, which is that E-Sports is fundamentally "different" from normal sports. Both Incontrol and Alex Garfield repeatidly state that E-Sports are almost solely financed by advertisers, and pre-spoilered announcements such as the ones made by Slasher substantially decrease the ad revenue for sponsors.
Seriously: How many people were informed about Jaedong joining EG before the official announcement? 50? 70? 100? How for God's sake can you as a renowned up, arguably most elaborated E-Sports team on this planet (minus Korea), seriously assume that this does not get spoilered to the public?
The only logical conclusion that I can draw from this is that your business model (that is, financing your team largely relies on advertisers) that you use to run your team just sucks. If your business model relies on more than a hundred persons from multiple organizations to keep a secret that they didn't even signed an NDA for, then your business model is terrible. It's simple as that and you should realized that before flagging other people as scapegoats for your own failure. And by saying that I don't defend Slasher's journalistic quality, which is an entirely different discussion.
Alex Garfield quite frankly makes quite a naive impression to me. Plus the way in which he presents himself in this episode is just plain unprofessional. He really makes it easy to serve as the community's new object of hate.
And if we really get into that "quality of journalism" discussion, we also have to add that quality journalism also means that you make sure that differing opinions are presented in appropriate ration in your discussion. And not that one person has to defend himself against four opponents.
I feel like what EG did there hurt E-Sports way more than anything Slasher ever did.
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On January 17 2013 03:39 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On January 17 2013 03:16 IdrA wrote:On January 17 2013 03:04 NeonFox wrote:
Slasher didn't steal this info, someone had to tell him. So he reports it. And even if it pisses off some people it is normal for him to do it, it is not illegal in any way.
I don't see what the big story is here, you cannot blame Slasher for reporting some big news someone told him. I understand why EG is unhappy but their arguments are ridiculous, are they literally asking for a control of the press? the problem is not that he doesnt have the right to report the news, but that it's bad for pretty much everyone for him to do so in the way he does. he's even hurting himself if he does it to such an extent that it pisses off his sources as he'll be left with no information or sources to do even legitimate journalism. And it is a practice for some professional journalist to give people a heads up that they are going to be reporting on something as a professional courtesy. Then the other side (EG, TL MLG, NASL) has the option to push up their announcement or at least prepare to respond to the news when questions come in. A lot of professional fields have similar practices. My firm will give opposing counsel a heads up if we are going to file an aggressive motion, if we have a good relationship with them. We are still trying to kick their ass, but we don’t feel the need to blind side them, as we may need a favor down the line. That is really the point that Alex Garfield getting to. It is not the fact that Slasher reports the news, but the way he goes about it. Professional courtesy goes a long way and is a good practice for anyone in a mildly combative field. No, Alex was upset that Slasher reported the news before EG could benefit from the announcement they intended to make. He also piled on about his alleged lack of quality of the report, but ultimately it was the timing. There would be no complaint from Alex if Slasher put out the exact same quality, but AFTER EG made their announcement.
Yeah, I would be really upset too. I bet he worked really hard on that deal and wanted to get the most bang for his buck. My point is that Slasher should respect that Alex would be angry and at least give him a heads up before he runs the story. It is the professional thing to do. It is not required, that is why its called a courtesy. But in general it is a good idea, since EG and Gamespot are not going anywhere soon.
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Bill Baer is right. If our beloved esports can't handle legitimate journalism, it doesn't deserve to prosper. The idea that this "industry" is exempt from the way the rest of the world functions is quite silly. And its surprising to me that people buy the idea that EG interests = esports interest.
Bottom line is this, consummers want this information/leaks, that's why it is out there. Smart people use this state of affairs to their advantage, other cry foul and demand special rules. TB was right, if the story is good, people will devour content based on that story. Provide them with it. Don't base the future of your business on surprise factor.
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Is there a video or something, that all this is the fallout from? I feel out of the loop.
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I'm surprised to learn, or at least get the impression, that Teams don't have NDAs clauses when contracting players and workers. There is no other way to protect information unless you're willing to reprimand the participants that leak it. This is common in many industries and is a legitimate and legal way to protect company secrets when it comes to future products. On another note, it would also be hard to prove who is even leaking the information since it seems that information is available so easily and freely.
I think TB said it correct that it is best to use Slasher (journalist) as a tool to propagate your own means.
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Something that I'm finding slightly dangerous is this "lets group together and put slasher in the dark". Journalists has always had the right to write a story as long as it's true and not made up.
Journalists has always had the liberty to write things that seemed newsworthy or in the better interest (according to their view) of the community/country they represent. This has been so even in the face of the potential dangers it could had bring. Just take the recent shoot shooting. There is a big chance that "copycats" might see these news and think "that's cool" and then do the same. When the swine flue first came out the Swedish Media talked about this none-stop about how doctor x said that everyone basically would die, and today the panic that the Swedish Media caused actually was worse only second after all the side effects that people suffered who took the relative untested swine flue vaccine.
You could argue all day about the "possible" damage a journalist could do to the community but it doesn't matter since it actually has not happened or even can be quantified into something real. Further I'm incredible skeptical in the idea that the people who Slasher is writing about are the people who will dictate what he can and cannot write about. And this what I'm finding dangerous, just because Slasher pissed off people who had a particular agenda and that slasher "might" have, with no actual intent of doing so, as in his intent was to get viewers, work against that agenda.
Journalists has never had the obligation to follow others agendas when they are writing articles. And I don't see how this would be any different in the SC2 community.
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