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On June 28 2012 18:06 OptimusYale wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 17:41 Talin wrote:On June 28 2012 16:24 [17]Purple wrote:On June 28 2012 16:16 Gosi wrote:On June 28 2012 16:11 jmbthirteen wrote:On June 28 2012 16:06 Gosi wrote:
I talked about BW and why they didn't have girlfriends. Tell me one top player in modern BW that won something while having a girlfriend. The reason DRG, NesTea and Mvp got away with it is because they are the very best in SC2 and no one comes close in skill and the game/metagame is a cluster fuck from times to times, no real consistency. You think these guys are gonna get away with living at home with their girlfriends and puppies in say 1-2 years with the BW teams in the competition? No, they will fade away hard. Just like the players in the EG house have faded away ever since they moved in there.
Passive-aggressive US_EG fans at the best hahaha. You showed me alright that I have no idea what I'm talking about when you have the fucking facts right before your eyes. one has to wonder how so many professional athletes are at the top of their game while having a gf/wife/kids/pets. seriously dude. Professional sports =/= Starcraft. You can't practice over 10 hours in sports while you can i Starcraft. You just can't compare them. You can't have have a "normal" life when you are a competitive Starcraft player and wants to be the best. If you think you can, PLEASE tell me why BW players performances got worse while seeing girls so they stopped? What is it that you know that they who are actually the top players who know what it takes - don't know? Why did MMA just say "no girls, only game for 2 years"? Because he don't like girls and sex? Or because he knows that while seeings girl he can't be #1? Not everyone is effected by the same thing equally, perhaps MMA finds it harder to focus when females are the matter rather than MVP who has a girlfriend and also the most GSL titles to this point of time. Also, why can't we compare Professional Sports to Starcraft, they both require time and effort remain at a fairly high competitive tier and you can't honestly say that a tennis player that practices for 6 hours will consistently beat someone more dedicated that practices for 10 hours. However practice time isn't the only thing that matter as well, relative happiness of an individual is pretty important in their performance as a depressed player will never have results equalling a content player no matter how equal they are in skill level. I don't know about tennis, but I know that for example nobody in football (soccer) ever EVER trains for 10 hours a day. Even half that is rare (and irregular). I would imagine the same is true for most physical sports. Professional football players actually do have a LOT of spare time (during the day, but also during the entire year, taking into account off-seasons, injuries etc). They have more spare time than an average person on a 9 to 5 job, let alone a Starcraft progamer. For them it's more a case of having too much spare time on their hands rather than too little, which coupled with their maturity (or lack thereof on average) leads to all the hilarious incidents people read about in the newspapers next day. They train for around 8 hours a day. This includes talking tactics, football skills (general kicking around and set pieces) Reviewing replays of their personal performances with coaches, team activities like playing fifa and shit like that and things to bring the team closer together. They do live with their partners though, and very often teams will do a deal with the players that the night before a game they stay with the team (even home games) and no sex. Shit like that.
That's close to the truth, but you're really overstating the "activities" they do outside of the training ground. If you want to look at it that way, then you can also count various sponsor/fan/media activities as "work", but it's not athletic work that contributes to their performance on the pitch. And then it's maybe 8 hours on all of that combined (on average over the entire year).
Either way, the part that is relevant to the thread is that Starcraft players can physically train for 10+ hours and actually benefit from it. If you want to be a top football player, you still have plenty of spare time. If you want to be a top Starcraft player, every hour spent on anything that isn't sleeping, eating, exercise, watching VODs and playing is an hour another player will have over you the next time you meet. And over time these hours add up (to the point where Koreans, aka the people who "drop" very few such hours, start winning everything).
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My take on this subject is somethink like this:
EG puts their players in a position, where they commit their time and focus on producing lots of promotional stuff to make sponsors happy.
It doesn't have to be the majority of their time, but it seems that the promo stuff is affecting players considerably.
Do we see Liquid guys (except Tyler) everywhere on shows, adverts? And they do have better results.
Same might be with european teams. We don't see them on every poster etc.
I know, that from the buisness point of view it is important to promote players, but couldn't it be done without affecting their practice and derriving attention?
Do we want SC2 rockstars or proffesional competitors?
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On June 28 2012 19:42 5ukkub wrote:
Do we want SC2 rockstars or proffesional competitors?
Unfortunately, SC2 is less about what we want (since we're just going to take anything that's given anyway), and more about what the sponsors want. And sponsors don't give a shit about how good someone's macro is.
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On June 28 2012 19:42 5ukkub wrote:
My take on this subject is somethink like this:
EG puts their players in a position, where they commit their time and focus on producing lots of promotional stuff to make sponsors happy.
It doesn't have to be the majority of their time, but it seems that the promo stuff is affecting players considerably.
Do we see Liquid guys (except Tyler) everywhere on shows, adverts? And they do have better results.
Same might be with european teams. We don't see them on every poster etc.
I know, that from the buisness point of view it is important to promote players, but couldn't it be done without affecting their practice and derriving attention?
Do we want SC2 rockstars or proffesional competitors?
And how do you know that the promo stuff affects them? Do you now how much time it cost to make this advertisements? It really doesn't look like much and it probably isn't either. It isn't like "ah, EG does something for their sponsors and that's why they are under-performing". They said that they train very much, so just accept that.
And yeah, in terms of tournament results, EG has done better than TL this year (and the last one).
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But pretty much all of those good results were done by players not practising in the EG-House in the US.
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On June 28 2012 20:05 Hardigan wrote:
And yeah, in terms of tournament results, EG has done better than TL this year (and the last one).
I must have missed the part where an EG player made it to the GSL semifinals.
...or even qualified!
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On June 28 2012 20:10 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 20:05 Hardigan wrote:
And yeah, in terms of tournament results, EG has done better than TL this year (and the last one). I must have missed the part where an EG player made it to the GSL semifinals. ...or even qualified!
i don't know, i just looked through liquipedia and there is like nothing for TL and a couple for EG, so i don't know 
PS: I new you would response to my bait
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On June 28 2012 20:05 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 19:42 5ukkub wrote:
My take on this subject is somethink like this:
EG puts their players in a position, where they commit their time and focus on producing lots of promotional stuff to make sponsors happy.
It doesn't have to be the majority of their time, but it seems that the promo stuff is affecting players considerably.
Do we see Liquid guys (except Tyler) everywhere on shows, adverts? And they do have better results.
Same might be with european teams. We don't see them on every poster etc.
I know, that from the buisness point of view it is important to promote players, but couldn't it be done without affecting their practice and derriving attention?
Do we want SC2 rockstars or proffesional competitors? And how do you know that the promo stuff affects them? Do you now how much time it cost to make this advertisements? It really doesn't look like much and it probably isn't either. It isn't like "ah, EG does something for their sponsors and that's why they are under-performing". They said that they train very much, so just accept that. And yeah, in terms of tournament results, EG has done better than TL this year (and the last one).
I tried to think of something that might affect their results.
But if everything is OK and players are practising vigurously without any interruptions,
+ Show Spoiler +THEN THE ARE JUST F*****G BAD.
Do you think that's the case? Because i don't.
And I still think that the pressure from sponsors is affecting the results and it should be managed in a way that reduces time consumption, stress and distraction.
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Lol Talin you are such a EG hater and EG stalker.. fuck everytime someone is badmouthing EG you are always there.. you have amazing forum stalking skills!
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On June 28 2012 17:23 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 16:06 Gosi wrote:
I talked about BW and why they didn't have girlfriends. Tell me one top player in modern BW that won something while having a girlfriend. The reason DRG, NesTea and Mvp got away with it is because they are the very best in SC2 and no one comes close in skill and the game/metagame is a cluster fuck from times to times, no real consistency. You think these guys are gonna get away with living at home with their girlfriends and puppies in say 1-2 years with the BW teams in the competition? No, they will fade away hard. Just like the players in the EG house have faded away ever since they moved in there.
Passive-aggressive US_EG fans at the best hahaha. You showed me alright that I have no idea what I'm talking about when you have the fucking facts right before your eyes. stork very openly had a long term relationship lots of pros had girlfriends or dated. and didnt talk about it because obnoxious little fucks like you linked every time they lost, as everyone does, to their relationship.
hahahahahah
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Am i blind or are the recent episodes not on onemoregame? There was a recent interview in live on three with rapha that i only managed to watch the last 10 minutes of and now I cant find it on onemoregame.
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iNcontroL
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Talin Champoo Chagloo or w/e (the guy that run's sase's fan club.. a friend of most of ours ironically) reachthesky
these are some of the most prolific anti EG posters.. every damn time we come up they fellate each other over and over making up statistics, ignoring counter-points and just going on and on about how much they think we suck, are evil etc..
Not sure what we did to earn such strong opposition but SHIT they got some anti-passion.
It's pretty funny.. for a good laugh go through their posts via their profile. It's pretty scary how consistent they are.
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On June 28 2012 20:18 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 20:05 Hardigan wrote:On June 28 2012 19:42 5ukkub wrote:
My take on this subject is somethink like this:
EG puts their players in a position, where they commit their time and focus on producing lots of promotional stuff to make sponsors happy.
It doesn't have to be the majority of their time, but it seems that the promo stuff is affecting players considerably.
Do we see Liquid guys (except Tyler) everywhere on shows, adverts? And they do have better results.
Same might be with european teams. We don't see them on every poster etc.
I know, that from the buisness point of view it is important to promote players, but couldn't it be done without affecting their practice and derriving attention?
Do we want SC2 rockstars or proffesional competitors? And how do you know that the promo stuff affects them? Do you now how much time it cost to make this advertisements? It really doesn't look like much and it probably isn't either. It isn't like "ah, EG does something for their sponsors and that's why they are under-performing". They said that they train very much, so just accept that. And yeah, in terms of tournament results, EG has done better than TL this year (and the last one). I tried to think of something that might affect their results. But if everything is OK and players are practising vigurously without any interruptions, + Show Spoiler +THEN THE ARE JUST F*****G BAD. Do you think that's the case? Because i don't. And I still think that the pressure from sponsors is affecting the results and it should be managed in a way that reduces time consumption, stress and distraction.
When they say that they are training hard even though doing stuff for the sponsors, than just trust them, because they should know better. They themself said that they don't really know the real reason, so why should we? Maybe the reason is that they got pressured not from the sponsors, but the forum posters always jumping on them?
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Speaking of consistency, you replied to the last 3 posts I made that even remotely concern EG in the last several months. 
Anyway, I should have realized this thread was hostile territory. :/
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iNcontroL
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On June 28 2012 20:29 Talin wrote:Speaking of consistency, you replied to the last 3 posts I made that even remotely concern EG in the last several months. Anyway, I should have realized this thread was hostile territory. :/
Thanks for proving my point!
Your last 3 posts in this thread have actually not been responded to by me! ^_____________^ It probably goes on longer than that but it's ok.. I know you wish I did respond. I can't think of any other reason why you'd go from thread to thread shit talking me and EG but to hope to get a response from us lol
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See, there are people on forums whose job is to check people's post histories and act on what they read there. Having been one of them, I'm sure you'd know that.
I'm pretty fine with my post history, just like me, you, the mods, and everybody else who bothers to check will know you're not exactly telling the truth here.
(also thanks for proving mine!).
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what? LITERALLY the 5 posts you made before that I hadn't responded to.. you were literally in here doing exactly what I said you were and in response to being named you point the finger by making up something... How the FUCK did you get 6k posts when you are a lying piece of shit that goes around the forum with a vendetta and posting like a douche? How does that even happen?
I've sworn to ignore you in the past.. you are good at getting me to respond I will give you that. ALl it takes is like 20 posts and then lying about how you have had imaginary conversations with me on the forum. LOL
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You might read into it too much, but talking about FOOTBALL TRAINING (my 4 posts in this thread previous to being baited by the TL/EG comment) had absolutely nothing to do with you or your team nor did it have any edge that pointed to you.
If you genuinely feel that way, I apologize.
Edit: and people actually do have the ability to look at post histories, you know. No idea why you're doing this.
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Man I don't work for EG but even I know that you hate them and stalk them for months.. it's kinda childish and sad!
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Dude, i saw you posting in fanclubs from eg players just to bash them and in other related eg topics in the past.
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