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Massive units are not affected by concussive shells. If you think they are, you are wrong. It's SPORE crawlers that are being changed, not SPINE. Please read carefully. | ||
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:16 hi im new wrote: it might actually be a good idea to go hallucination before warpgate now in pvz which gives you even faster scouting. this is a great way to think about it it'll be interesting to see how this plays out, but i think the ghost change will be rescinded. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
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Iracor
United States66 Posts
-Protoss balance is centered around the zealot build time. -Terran balance is entirely centered around the bunker. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
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Griffith`
714 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:19 babyToSS wrote: Agreed. Good tank positioning is still way better than ghosts in TvZ. Its a vision war and creep owns everything terran has. If anything, this patch buffs mech play in TvP. Yep. One of the biggest dangers to siege expand was actually 4gate. 40 second+ research times makes siege expand WAAAY safer. Normal 4gate hits at 6:30, now it will come at 7:00+, when I'll usually have at least 2 tanks. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
 The bunker change was coming - to much yelling and screaming about it for to long now; overall i am excited to proxy 2gate on the blizzard maps :p | ||
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Rebel_
Canada94 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:00 opiemonster wrote: Rules of Balance Patches There must always be a bunker change Protoss must always be nerfed at least once So every patch that comes out a protoss units has to be nerfed... Dude come on, think before posting something like that. Makes no sense. Well i guess Protoss is OP, "since people using the race are getting better"... ONOZ time to nerf. If you keep losing to protoss then you must be doing something wrong... anyone can win, but its up to your opponent or up to how you play it out... Well this patch looks cool, it will be interesting how protoss will incorporate warpgate and gateway together, instead of using warpgate throughout the game... | ||
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Decko
United States150 Posts
Anyway, I hope this is the beginning of the end for four warpgate play, it's gotten stagnant and boring, so I welcome the idea that they're trying to remove that strategy from the game. | ||
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SoulScream
Bulgaria44 Posts
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:17 babyToSS wrote: Hey we have the same name! As a terran player I agree that the pylon power change is huge. More pylons needed in base, fewer proxy pylons or atleast toss cannot spam proxy pylons all over the map in the beginning and also is hurts a lot of other map specific pylon placements. Overall I love this patch just because it makes TvP mech a lot more stronger (I hate bio in TvP). I completelly understand the 4gate nerf being necessary. Hell, whenever I played PvP, I had that weird expression on my face denoting something close to distaste and cringe. But, the WG research increase is imo good enough to accomplish that. Being forced to use Pylons as part of wall-off is just bad. It's so easy for lings/roaches/anything except workers to kill one single Pylon and then go on hunt into your base. Even if everything goes through, I hope this particular Pylon change will not. Some of us prefer to play safe and not rely on rush builds this patch may no doubt support. PS: Yes, I noticed. Though, you are now more like BabyTerran since you play T  | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
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NgrySqrrl
Canada36 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:20 AsianEcksDragon wrote: Will I still be able to open hatch first? I remember when zealot had 33 build time, the popular opening was 14 pool, 16 hatch. Although it could just be because players weren't sure which opening was the most economical. i think the newer bigger maps will still favor hatch first | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:21 Uhh Negative wrote: Interesting... This makes it to possible to benefit a protoss who uses just gateways (not warpgates) and can macro extremely well. I think warpgates still will probably be worth the extra 5ish second build time though. I guess this also gives a defenders advantage in PvP. I don't know if this change is enough though. I think it might be a step in the right direction as long as 2gate zealot pressure doesn't become a huge problem like it was. Bunkers are no longer free. That took long enough :p Spore crawlers will probably be a little more useful in defending bashee/void ray harass now. I was kind of hoping spines would go back down to 6 seconds too, but I think that's okay. Warpgate is still better in the long run, assuming that your opponent only goes pure gateways and not gate/robo or 3gate expand. The difference is that the longer research time gives the defender a bigger advantage for a short while and allows for later techs such as robo or possibly even expand. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Salvage resource return reduced from 100% to 75%. This should have been: Salvage resource return reduced from 100% to 0% .Bunkers are so good without salvage there is no reason at all for it to be in the game. | ||
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panda_inc
Australia170 Posts
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JaqMs
United States73 Posts
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On April 26 2011 13:24 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: As a Protoss player but more of a GSL, TSL watcher more than anything, I'd still like to see more Zerg buffs. I feel sorry for anyone playing that race. I dont play zerg. But im still waiting for a corrupter buff. | ||
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Scouting shouldn't be nerfed!
