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svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
April 29 2011 04:01 GMT
#1681
On April 29 2011 12:48 destian wrote:
i simply cannot stand gretorp's casting anymore, barely any analysis in the slow parts of the game, and resorts to arguing meaningless points with his partner. i paid the $25 for NASL, but i regret it.

I like Gretorp's casting. He's improved dramatically and the chemistry between him and Incontrol is good.

However, I hate that Khaldor dude. His accent is annoying, his audio quality is piss poor, and honestly, he spews out a bunch of nonsense. Couldn't NASL at least have the decency to hire someone with English as a first language? (This coming from someone with English as a third language.)
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
April 29 2011 04:04 GMT
#1682
Wasn't sure where to put this but I found some mistakes in MC's profile on the NASL webpage (see bold)

Jang Min Chul aka 'MC' is a Protoss player from the Korea representing team Old Generations. MC's background is as a professional Starcraft Brood War player. While his Brood War career was decnt, he has seen greater success in Starcraft 2. His results are unparalleled, having won two GSL code S tournaments and taking 2nd place in another. MC is currently the best player in the world.

MC's style focuses on his mid game where he outplays his opponents with striking precision. Favoring sentry play in all of his games, MC's speed and accuracy is unlike any other player’s and he utilizes the Protoss Gateway units to their maximum potential. That coupled with his excellent multitasking, strong mechanics, brilliant decision making and his unbelievable late game play, it is no wonder that MC is the currently sitting at the top of the world.

It is with great pleasure that we have MC compete in the North American Star League.


MC won one GSL Open and one Code S (not 2 code S) and also has never come second in a GSL.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 05:07:28
April 29 2011 04:10 GMT
#1683
On April 29 2011 08:22 Bluerain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 03:15 Blurio wrote:
The best thing that could happen to the Starcraft 2 casting community would be getting rid of the fucking T-Shirt/Blazer combo.


ummm..t-shirt blazer is fine... u guys dont know fashion...maybe v-neck plain tee + blazer since u guys seem to be so conservative

T-Shirt + Blazer is NOT fine ... not everything which is proclaimed as "fashinable" actually looks good. Oh and what is so bad about being conservative?

EDIT: A deeper explanation:
T-Shirt and Blazer CAN look good (Crockett and Tubbs in Miami Vice), but it doesnt on these two guys. Every show which wants to be taken seriously (News) has their presenters wearing real shirts plus Blazer and the NASL wants to be taken seriously. Jeff and Andre could just be wearing the T-Shirts and look fine, but black Blazers dont work with the set and any colorful (mismatched) T-Shirts.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
April 29 2011 04:13 GMT
#1684
I like Gretorp's analysis, for the most part. My main problem is a lot of the time when he speaks he 'slushes' and slurs words and sentences together. If gretorp managed to work specifically on enunciation and the manner in which he delivers speech, and gets it crisp, I think the rest will fall into place and he could really click as a caster.

As it stands, he is obviously overshadowed by incontrol who has a great way with expressing himself verbally, quickly and crisply. Even though some people have a problem with inc or his verbal content, I think its pretty hard to deny he is really good at simply talking.
x6Paramore
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 04:50:27
April 29 2011 04:47 GMT
#1685
On April 29 2011 08:52 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 04:38 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 29 2011 03:26 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 17:48 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:58 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:53 x6Paramore wrote:
On April 28 2011 11:29 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 10:15 x6Paramore wrote:
I think one of the casters needs to be less critical. You aren't trying to teach a lesson on live stream... you aren't giving a day9 daily and you aren't coaching anyone either. You are there to bring the event to life. Describe what is going on, analyze the situation at hand, but don't go TOO in depth about what the other player "should" have done. Yeah, its okay to mention what he could have done... but you aren't there to commentate on what the game would have looked like if both players played perfectly.

Objectivity is pretty key in what I just mentioned as well.


Disagree. One of the benefits of having 2 progamer casters is they can dissect the game and talk about the mistakes / other options.

Not sure why you would ever want less information in a cast. We can just gush over everything these guys do if you like.. nah, that'd be bad.


You guys basically do gush over everything these guys do... saying.. "this is bad, this is the wrong way" Then today there was an instance, where you targeted a player and his team-mates saying they should have a clan meeting and get their shit together. Whether that is right or wrong, it just destroys the quality of the show. Do you see tasteless and artosis calling out team Slayers during a GSL cast, saying they really need to shape up a particular player or have a team meeting?

Forget tastosis, it would be unreasonable to compare professionals who have done this longer than you. I won't even expect you to be as objective as TotalBiscuit, who you claim to have no game knowledge, when in fact, most noobs probably learn way more about SC2 watching him than hearing you talk about "how awesome the creep spread is" for 20 seconds every zerg match you see... Seriously, you mention it way too often... a simple half-second mention of "great creep spread here by zerg" is good enough for something so menial.

What I expect from watching something that is sponsored and paid and has cash prizes to the amounts that can compare to GSL, is professionalism and objectivity. Otherwise, I might as well be watching Fox News dubbed over NASL trashing how bad "Blue" is in one corner and promoting how awesome "Red" is on the other corner with absolutely no basis or quality facts to prove it.

Also, being better at the game does not mean you know more about the game. Just like how professional hockey commentators can't necessarily play professional hockey. Therefore it is not that big of an advantage to have professional commentators over commentators that are less skilled in the game itself but have a much better social presentation of their content.

Yes, being professional gamers does give you an advantage over random scrubs that have never touched a microphone or played the game, but again, it does not give you much of an advantage over someone like Day9 or Artosis or TotalBiscuit or Tasteless.

Furthermore, being overcritical about players specific actions just ends up being more whiney. I don't need to see some grown ass man raging about why a certain zerg left the game abruptly player uprooted his spine-crawlers at a bad moment at his expansion on close positions in Shattered Temple. All a commentator needs to do is recognize that that particular player felt it was time to throw in the towel and move on. There's no need to go into a 60 second rant about how its the NASL and he should have tried to play out the game. You have no idea what the player is thinking in his head. Maybe he has a better picture of his status than you do and in his mind he felt he lost, which is pretty much as good as losing the game already. (But yeah thats getting way too specific)

Either way, thats my 2cents, you can take it or leave it. If all I hear is going to be incessant whining about particular details or what-ifs that draw attention from what really matters on the camera, then I can always mute. None the less, this thread asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Regards.

P.S. its not about less content, its about more quality content. Right now its IMHO not good.


We've been called too complementary. Honestly you are the first to call us "overly critical."

Frankly I think both are fine

Thx though!


good to see this thread is going to good use

lmao


It's a tips and recommendation thread... not a "here is what you MUST do thread."

We don't take everyone's advice and apply it to practice. You wouldn't actually want that btw!

lmao


its about ur attitude


???

I had two posts with him saying I disagreed with his argument. He restated his opinion and I said "no thanks" essentially. Then I stated we don't hAVE to do what people suggest.

any attitude you are inferring is just that.. your inference.


I think he is referring to your overly condescending attitude that you have as a veteran teamliquid user and gamer. While that is mostly why I think you are completely unobjective and largely unprofessional when it comes to casting NASL, its not like it would be a problem outside of anything unprofessional.. like your stream or your lessons.

He isn't really inferring it, the attitude is there and you can see it clearly in State of the Game and even in your clan matches.

For example, when I played vs you in a clan war, all you wanted to do was hit the start button as fast as possible. Meanwhile, I want to go get a glass of water and just mentally prepare myself for 30 seconds before each game. I don't really think that is too much to ask for, but your condescension basically makes you think that you can just tell me to hit start and I'll "have" to start the game. Apparently your time was more important to mine, even though we were both from clans with equal skill. (We won by the way)

When I posted my first post on this thread, I did not post it as if I was attacking you. However, you treat every single shred of contradiction as an attack because your ego is too large. Then you go through great lengths of sarcasm or other types of belittlement to squash the opinions of those that really just don't agree with your shit. Its not like I'm the first person to have brought this up.

Anyways, glad we brought up your attitude problem. Its not like I could start a new thread about this. I could go on all-day about how you blatantly insult the community (total biscuit? kellymilkies?)

Glad NASL was casted by a guest host today.
Bizarro252
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
April 29 2011 04:56 GMT
#1686
On April 29 2011 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 03:22 Bizarro252 wrote:
On April 28 2011 17:48 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:58 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:53 x6Paramore wrote:
On April 28 2011 11:29 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 10:15 x6Paramore wrote:
I think one of the casters needs to be less critical. You aren't trying to teach a lesson on live stream... you aren't giving a day9 daily and you aren't coaching anyone either. You are there to bring the event to life. Describe what is going on, analyze the situation at hand, but don't go TOO in depth about what the other player "should" have done. Yeah, its okay to mention what he could have done... but you aren't there to commentate on what the game would have looked like if both players played perfectly.

Objectivity is pretty key in what I just mentioned as well.


Disagree. One of the benefits of having 2 progamer casters is they can dissect the game and talk about the mistakes / other options.

Not sure why you would ever want less information in a cast. We can just gush over everything these guys do if you like.. nah, that'd be bad.


You guys basically do gush over everything these guys do... saying.. "this is bad, this is the wrong way" Then today there was an instance, where you targeted a player and his team-mates saying they should have a clan meeting and get their shit together. Whether that is right or wrong, it just destroys the quality of the show. Do you see tasteless and artosis calling out team Slayers during a GSL cast, saying they really need to shape up a particular player or have a team meeting?

Forget tastosis, it would be unreasonable to compare professionals who have done this longer than you. I won't even expect you to be as objective as TotalBiscuit, who you claim to have no game knowledge, when in fact, most noobs probably learn way more about SC2 watching him than hearing you talk about "how awesome the creep spread is" for 20 seconds every zerg match you see... Seriously, you mention it way too often... a simple half-second mention of "great creep spread here by zerg" is good enough for something so menial.

What I expect from watching something that is sponsored and paid and has cash prizes to the amounts that can compare to GSL, is professionalism and objectivity. Otherwise, I might as well be watching Fox News dubbed over NASL trashing how bad "Blue" is in one corner and promoting how awesome "Red" is on the other corner with absolutely no basis or quality facts to prove it.

Also, being better at the game does not mean you know more about the game. Just like how professional hockey commentators can't necessarily play professional hockey. Therefore it is not that big of an advantage to have professional commentators over commentators that are less skilled in the game itself but have a much better social presentation of their content.

Yes, being professional gamers does give you an advantage over random scrubs that have never touched a microphone or played the game, but again, it does not give you much of an advantage over someone like Day9 or Artosis or TotalBiscuit or Tasteless.

Furthermore, being overcritical about players specific actions just ends up being more whiney. I don't need to see some grown ass man raging about why a certain zerg left the game abruptly player uprooted his spine-crawlers at a bad moment at his expansion on close positions in Shattered Temple. All a commentator needs to do is recognize that that particular player felt it was time to throw in the towel and move on. There's no need to go into a 60 second rant about how its the NASL and he should have tried to play out the game. You have no idea what the player is thinking in his head. Maybe he has a better picture of his status than you do and in his mind he felt he lost, which is pretty much as good as losing the game already. (But yeah thats getting way too specific)

Either way, thats my 2cents, you can take it or leave it. If all I hear is going to be incessant whining about particular details or what-ifs that draw attention from what really matters on the camera, then I can always mute. None the less, this thread asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Regards.

P.S. its not about less content, its about more quality content. Right now its IMHO not good.


We've been called too complementary. Honestly you are the first to call us "overly critical."

Frankly I think both are fine

Thx though!


good to see this thread is going to good use

lmao



Ya, can you please release some comments on the issues you can actually fix, and fix QUICKLY like the video and sound quality and lag issues that 60-70% of these posts are complaining about. I see your reading this thread, why not reply to the most concerned about issues?



I have absolutely no influence on technical things and I do not operate the editing station at all. I merely commentate.

I can relay that they are absolutely aware of the issues and that is why they are progressively getting better. The lag has been reduced. The sound was near perfect in the last cast etc.


Thank you for the quick reply, I guess I associated you as the 'face' of NASL and figured you had your hands in all of it

But seriously thank you to the quick reply and at least some reassurance that the team in charge is aware of the issues. I am just saddened that at this point, live and VOD watching are both an annoyance, better than week one, yes, but still annoying. The chat was going INSANE the other day watching live about the lag and the mods were not saying anything about it, I know there are a lot of trolls but and auto message every 5 min saying they are aware of issues would have probably shut a lot of that down.

Look forward to it all being fixed though, thanks Geoff.



T3tra
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
April 29 2011 05:05 GMT
#1687
The casting booth is incredibly boring looking. It's just.. grey. I can't be the only person that thinks this. Other than that I'm enjoying NASL a lot. Keep it up!
I need this place like I need a shotgun blast to the face.
Bizarro252
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
April 29 2011 05:05 GMT
#1688
On April 29 2011 08:42 salazar001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 08:30 iTzAnglory wrote:
I do not know if this has been mentioned, but my friend wasted $25 because (he has a slow internet) and he cannot watch the VODs. Probably add a 360 or 720p feature for people with slower internet, aside from that, I think it is pretty good.

There are already 360p, 480p, 720p, and 1080p features of which the 720p and 1080p is only available with payment. However, since he might only be able to watch using 360p, there was no point of buying a season pass anyways except for the VODs that they will release after the season is over.


What????

The vods are released after the EU rebroadcast everyday, and are currently only available in 1080p, this is bad for those with slow internet as they want to watch vods but can only get low quality live (they payed for the vods in a lot of cases as watching 4-5 hours of SC2 everyday is not possible for most)

They claim this is a Jtv issue, and if thats true someone needs to get on their ass because for example, on my laptop streaming 1080 is not only unnecessary, but has to buffer if I am not on fast internet (like if I am away from home)
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
April 29 2011 05:11 GMT
#1689
On April 28 2011 18:42 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 16:47 truthless wrote:
I paid $25 for the HD ticket, and I sort of regret it. The HD is 1080p and the fps is horrible. I would rather have 720p with a steady 30fps than the 1080p with like 10-15 fps that it's currently at. Not only that, but the audio seems to suffer greatly, with sound in general being very low kbps and sometimes just coming out of one speaker.


I would like to know how to get a refund too. Unfortunately, the NASL doesn't even respond to customer e-mails - it's like once they get your $25, they don't give a damn about you. Just don't continue your subscription in Season 2.

Yea ive sent multiple emails, and through the contact us page on their site. Ive asked about getting a refund ive also just asked some questions about quality and i get no response either way. The customer service is terrible they should at least respond with something its pretty disrespectful to their customers.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
April 29 2011 05:18 GMT
#1690
On April 29 2011 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 03:22 Bizarro252 wrote:
On April 28 2011 17:48 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:58 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:53 x6Paramore wrote:
On April 28 2011 11:29 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 10:15 x6Paramore wrote:
I think one of the casters needs to be less critical. You aren't trying to teach a lesson on live stream... you aren't giving a day9 daily and you aren't coaching anyone either. You are there to bring the event to life. Describe what is going on, analyze the situation at hand, but don't go TOO in depth about what the other player "should" have done. Yeah, its okay to mention what he could have done... but you aren't there to commentate on what the game would have looked like if both players played perfectly.

Objectivity is pretty key in what I just mentioned as well.


Disagree. One of the benefits of having 2 progamer casters is they can dissect the game and talk about the mistakes / other options.

Not sure why you would ever want less information in a cast. We can just gush over everything these guys do if you like.. nah, that'd be bad.


You guys basically do gush over everything these guys do... saying.. "this is bad, this is the wrong way" Then today there was an instance, where you targeted a player and his team-mates saying they should have a clan meeting and get their shit together. Whether that is right or wrong, it just destroys the quality of the show. Do you see tasteless and artosis calling out team Slayers during a GSL cast, saying they really need to shape up a particular player or have a team meeting?

Forget tastosis, it would be unreasonable to compare professionals who have done this longer than you. I won't even expect you to be as objective as TotalBiscuit, who you claim to have no game knowledge, when in fact, most noobs probably learn way more about SC2 watching him than hearing you talk about "how awesome the creep spread is" for 20 seconds every zerg match you see... Seriously, you mention it way too often... a simple half-second mention of "great creep spread here by zerg" is good enough for something so menial.

What I expect from watching something that is sponsored and paid and has cash prizes to the amounts that can compare to GSL, is professionalism and objectivity. Otherwise, I might as well be watching Fox News dubbed over NASL trashing how bad "Blue" is in one corner and promoting how awesome "Red" is on the other corner with absolutely no basis or quality facts to prove it.

Also, being better at the game does not mean you know more about the game. Just like how professional hockey commentators can't necessarily play professional hockey. Therefore it is not that big of an advantage to have professional commentators over commentators that are less skilled in the game itself but have a much better social presentation of their content.

Yes, being professional gamers does give you an advantage over random scrubs that have never touched a microphone or played the game, but again, it does not give you much of an advantage over someone like Day9 or Artosis or TotalBiscuit or Tasteless.

Furthermore, being overcritical about players specific actions just ends up being more whiney. I don't need to see some grown ass man raging about why a certain zerg left the game abruptly player uprooted his spine-crawlers at a bad moment at his expansion on close positions in Shattered Temple. All a commentator needs to do is recognize that that particular player felt it was time to throw in the towel and move on. There's no need to go into a 60 second rant about how its the NASL and he should have tried to play out the game. You have no idea what the player is thinking in his head. Maybe he has a better picture of his status than you do and in his mind he felt he lost, which is pretty much as good as losing the game already. (But yeah thats getting way too specific)

Either way, thats my 2cents, you can take it or leave it. If all I hear is going to be incessant whining about particular details or what-ifs that draw attention from what really matters on the camera, then I can always mute. None the less, this thread asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Regards.

P.S. its not about less content, its about more quality content. Right now its IMHO not good.


We've been called too complementary. Honestly you are the first to call us "overly critical."

Frankly I think both are fine

Thx though!


good to see this thread is going to good use

lmao



Ya, can you please release some comments on the issues you can actually fix, and fix QUICKLY like the video and sound quality and lag issues that 60-70% of these posts are complaining about. I see your reading this thread, why not reply to the most concerned about issues?



I have absolutely no influence on technical things and I do not operate the editing station at all. I merely commentate.

I can relay that they are absolutely aware of the issues and that is why they are progressively getting better. The lag has been reduced. The sound was near perfect in the last cast etc.


The sound is defenetly no where near perfect yet, i think most would agree.
There are still alot of problems with it and although i will admit it has gotten better it still sounds tin-ey and it has like an echo or a reverb the overall quality is defenetly still pretty bad especially when you guys are talking or marines are firing .
Gretorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States586 Posts
April 29 2011 05:31 GMT
#1691
On April 29 2011 13:13 deth wrote:
I like Gretorp's analysis, for the most part. My main problem is a lot of the time when he speaks he 'slushes' and slurs words and sentences together. If gretorp managed to work specifically on enunciation and the manner in which he delivers speech, and gets it crisp, I think the rest will fall into place and he could really click as a caster.

As it stands, he is obviously overshadowed by incontrol who has a great way with expressing himself verbally, quickly and crisply. Even though some people have a problem with inc or his verbal content, I think its pretty hard to deny he is really good at simply talking.


Thank you,

on it!
I am Unheard Change
ghostnuke1234
Profile Joined April 2010
164 Posts
April 29 2011 05:38 GMT
#1692
On April 29 2011 14:11 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2011 18:42 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
On April 28 2011 16:47 truthless wrote:
I paid $25 for the HD ticket, and I sort of regret it. The HD is 1080p and the fps is horrible. I would rather have 720p with a steady 30fps than the 1080p with like 10-15 fps that it's currently at. Not only that, but the audio seems to suffer greatly, with sound in general being very low kbps and sometimes just coming out of one speaker.


I would like to know how to get a refund too. Unfortunately, the NASL doesn't even respond to customer e-mails - it's like once they get your $25, they don't give a damn about you. Just don't continue your subscription in Season 2.

Yea ive sent multiple emails, and through the contact us page on their site. Ive asked about getting a refund ive also just asked some questions about quality and i get no response either way. The customer service is terrible they should at least respond with something its pretty disrespectful to their customers.


I wasn't even asking the NASL for a refund. I have account problems and I was asking them about it. The NASL never responded to my e-mails.

I agree that it is disprespectful towards their customers.

No way am I going to subscribe in season 2. And all my friends feel the same way and probably won't subscribe in season 2 either.
Fries
Profile Joined August 2010
United States124 Posts
April 29 2011 05:39 GMT
#1693
On April 29 2011 13:47 x6Paramore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2011 08:52 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 29 2011 04:38 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 29 2011 03:26 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 17:48 outerspace02 wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:58 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 14:53 x6Paramore wrote:
On April 28 2011 11:29 iNcontroL wrote:
On April 28 2011 10:15 x6Paramore wrote:
I think one of the casters needs to be less critical. You aren't trying to teach a lesson on live stream... you aren't giving a day9 daily and you aren't coaching anyone either. You are there to bring the event to life. Describe what is going on, analyze the situation at hand, but don't go TOO in depth about what the other player "should" have done. Yeah, its okay to mention what he could have done... but you aren't there to commentate on what the game would have looked like if both players played perfectly.

Objectivity is pretty key in what I just mentioned as well.


Disagree. One of the benefits of having 2 progamer casters is they can dissect the game and talk about the mistakes / other options.

Not sure why you would ever want less information in a cast. We can just gush over everything these guys do if you like.. nah, that'd be bad.


You guys basically do gush over everything these guys do... saying.. "this is bad, this is the wrong way" Then today there was an instance, where you targeted a player and his team-mates saying they should have a clan meeting and get their shit together. Whether that is right or wrong, it just destroys the quality of the show. Do you see tasteless and artosis calling out team Slayers during a GSL cast, saying they really need to shape up a particular player or have a team meeting?

Forget tastosis, it would be unreasonable to compare professionals who have done this longer than you. I won't even expect you to be as objective as TotalBiscuit, who you claim to have no game knowledge, when in fact, most noobs probably learn way more about SC2 watching him than hearing you talk about "how awesome the creep spread is" for 20 seconds every zerg match you see... Seriously, you mention it way too often... a simple half-second mention of "great creep spread here by zerg" is good enough for something so menial.

What I expect from watching something that is sponsored and paid and has cash prizes to the amounts that can compare to GSL, is professionalism and objectivity. Otherwise, I might as well be watching Fox News dubbed over NASL trashing how bad "Blue" is in one corner and promoting how awesome "Red" is on the other corner with absolutely no basis or quality facts to prove it.

Also, being better at the game does not mean you know more about the game. Just like how professional hockey commentators can't necessarily play professional hockey. Therefore it is not that big of an advantage to have professional commentators over commentators that are less skilled in the game itself but have a much better social presentation of their content.

Yes, being professional gamers does give you an advantage over random scrubs that have never touched a microphone or played the game, but again, it does not give you much of an advantage over someone like Day9 or Artosis or TotalBiscuit or Tasteless.

Furthermore, being overcritical about players specific actions just ends up being more whiney. I don't need to see some grown ass man raging about why a certain zerg left the game abruptly player uprooted his spine-crawlers at a bad moment at his expansion on close positions in Shattered Temple. All a commentator needs to do is recognize that that particular player felt it was time to throw in the towel and move on. There's no need to go into a 60 second rant about how its the NASL and he should have tried to play out the game. You have no idea what the player is thinking in his head. Maybe he has a better picture of his status than you do and in his mind he felt he lost, which is pretty much as good as losing the game already. (But yeah thats getting way too specific)

Either way, thats my 2cents, you can take it or leave it. If all I hear is going to be incessant whining about particular details or what-ifs that draw attention from what really matters on the camera, then I can always mute. None the less, this thread asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Regards.

P.S. its not about less content, its about more quality content. Right now its IMHO not good.


We've been called too complementary. Honestly you are the first to call us "overly critical."

Frankly I think both are fine

Thx though!


good to see this thread is going to good use

lmao


It's a tips and recommendation thread... not a "here is what you MUST do thread."

We don't take everyone's advice and apply it to practice. You wouldn't actually want that btw!

lmao


its about ur attitude


???

I had two posts with him saying I disagreed with his argument. He restated his opinion and I said "no thanks" essentially. Then I stated we don't hAVE to do what people suggest.

any attitude you are inferring is just that.. your inference.


I think he is referring to your overly condescending attitude that you have as a veteran teamliquid user and gamer. While that is mostly why I think you are completely unobjective and largely unprofessional when it comes to casting NASL, its not like it would be a problem outside of anything unprofessional.. like your stream or your lessons.

He isn't really inferring it, the attitude is there and you can see it clearly in State of the Game and even in your clan matches.

For example, when I played vs you in a clan war, all you wanted to do was hit the start button as fast as possible. Meanwhile, I want to go get a glass of water and just mentally prepare myself for 30 seconds before each game. I don't really think that is too much to ask for, but your condescension basically makes you think that you can just tell me to hit start and I'll "have" to start the game. Apparently your time was more important to mine, even though we were both from clans with equal skill. (We won by the way)

When I posted my first post on this thread, I did not post it as if I was attacking you. However, you treat every single shred of contradiction as an attack because your ego is too large. Then you go through great lengths of sarcasm or other types of belittlement to squash the opinions of those that really just don't agree with your shit. Its not like I'm the first person to have brought this up.

Anyways, glad we brought up your attitude problem. Its not like I could start a new thread about this. I could go on all-day about how you blatantly insult the community (total biscuit? kellymilkies?)

Glad NASL was casted by a guest host today.


Kind of sounds like you already had a problem with him anyway, to be honest. I've never thought he sounds condescending either in NASL or State of the Game. But to be fair, he's never stopped me from having a glass of water.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
April 29 2011 05:46 GMT
#1694
the first week was rough. however the viewing experience is a lot better. not sure why people diss on the casters, but I always felt the casting is good, very strong analysis from both players which I like. not surprising though since both pro's. one thing bugged me a bit was sometimes they would bring the drop down menu thing during battles to see units lost or worker lost etc. which is fine but it was done during a battle or some light harass and I didnt' get to see the action.
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 05:54:25
April 29 2011 05:52 GMT
#1695
Please, please make lower quality VODs available! The current ones eat so much bandwidth that I am not able to watch any of them (data cap ahoy), or only few matches/day. 480p or lower would enable me to watch all NASL vods and still have bandwidth/data cap left to use for other things.

I paid for ticket/pass this season, but if this "too high quality VODs" -issue is not resolved by next season I don't think I am able buy the tickets/passes for future seasons.

Thank you for listening!
Apocalyte
Profile Joined November 2010
United States13 Posts
April 29 2011 05:54 GMT
#1696
You're doing a wonderful job guys NASL is well on it's way to being one of the most notable leagues in SC2 E-Sports. Please keep up the good work! The vasy majority of the community really appreciates what you're doing for us!

The only two pieces of advice I could give you guys are:

1. Just ignore most of the jealous nerd trolls. Most of them are so bitter and angry they'll start posting hate about anything or they just love to jump on any new bandwagon of hate they can. Either way, they're not worth listening to.

2. This is for Sir Geoff! Don't work too damn hard man! You already do so much for the community don't forget to sit back and relax from time to time!

Thanks again and keep on rock'n the epic games! <3<3<3
I'm the man in the box.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 29 2011 05:56 GMT
#1697
Best tip I've got:

You can't please all of the people all of the time, don't try. Instead, do what makes sense.

But for the love of god, please improve your audio quality!
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
April 29 2011 06:05 GMT
#1698
NASL should remember they're at the forefront of ESPORTS so their image is what will drive the future of the industry for a long time.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
April 29 2011 10:05 GMT
#1699
About the t-shirt+ blazer, yes it looks weird.

There are 2 options imo.

1) Dress like a gamer dresses, jeans, t-shirt, hoody, etc
2) Dress like ordinary tv hosts, with a blazer.

But not this weird hybrid mix.


And my personal opinion:

NASL is a front of a gaming community, making you role models for gaming kids. So why wouldn't you be a proud gamer nerd and dress like one instead of a lawyer. Ditch the blazer.

I work at a casual gaming company and everyone here wears casual clothes, even the management wear jeans when customers are around, who also don't wear a suit. It's quite common in IT and creative jobs to just wear what you want. Look at the blizzard devs for example...

I have friends and family working as accountants and sales persons and they always have to dress up properly.
I'm so happy I don't live in that parallel universe where people are more often judged by the clothes they are wearing and the price of their car and watch, than by their skills or who they are.

Please don't get a fashion advisor and let fashion dictate how you should look, stay close to who you are.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Apocalyte
Profile Joined November 2010
United States13 Posts
April 29 2011 10:47 GMT
#1700
On April 29 2011 19:05 Zandar wrote:
I'm so happy I don't live in that parallel universe where people are more often judged by the clothes they are wearing...


You write this gem in the very same post you dedicate to complaining about the clothes they're wearing... smooth.

You guys are so eager to jump on the NASL Bashing Bandwagon you're getting confused and contradicting yourselves.

Seriously, if you don't have some real constructive criticism, don't post. No one cries about Tasteless and Artosis for dressing EXACTLY the same on GSL... and come on.. complaining about their dress is down right childish and petty. It's not like the guys are wearing their underwear on their heads or something really distracting.. they look fine.
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