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lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
April 12 2011 02:07 GMT
#81
when does the patch go live in NA?
CherubDown
Profile Joined August 2010
United States171 Posts
April 12 2011 02:15 GMT
#82
Thanks for all the info, Excalibur_Z - this info help us out a lot over at sc2replayed!
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
April 12 2011 02:18 GMT
#83
I wish they would add a buffer for the MMR cap (per two week or so). If an aspiring player's MMR becomes a lot higher than a current Grand Master player, he should be replaced.

The current approach just seems to negate aspiring players advancement/promotion.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 12 2011 02:21 GMT
#84
So dumb that you can get in top 200 and then lose 90% of your games for the rest of the season and remain in GM league.

Really doesn't make any sense at all.
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Naughty
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 02:28:42
April 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#85
On April 12 2011 11:21 -orb- wrote:
So dumb that you can get in top 200 and then lose 90% of your games for the rest of the season and remain in GM league.

Really doesn't make any sense at all.


you would have to play a lot of games at a 10% win rate to spend your bonus pool fast enough, while on paper I do not like how easy it looks for a player to stay in the league it will be interesting to see how much wins vs loss' a player will have to maintain to spend there bonus pool fast enough.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
April 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#86
it does make sense! that way, when the season is over you're probably goin down to diamond or plat..
CapnCDaWg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States179 Posts
April 12 2011 02:36 GMT
#87
On April 12 2011 11:28 Naughty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 11:21 -orb- wrote:
So dumb that you can get in top 200 and then lose 90% of your games for the rest of the season and remain in GM league.

Really doesn't make any sense at all.


you would have to play a lot of games at a 10% win rate to spend your bonus pool fast enough, while on paper I do not like how easy it looks for a player to stay in the league it will be interesting to see how much wins vs loss' a player will have to maintain to spend there bonus pool fast enough.


Pretty sure you can go 2-18 in a couple days and still have a 0 bonus pool, I agree with orb.
Just because I was on vacation for the first week that the patch came out, I won't be in the top 200 tomorrow, and won't be in GM League till next season
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 02:43:17
April 12 2011 02:42 GMT
#88
What they actually needed to do is to make a league that draws top 0.1%-0.5% of players, enforce a bonus pool rule to demote inactive players and get rid of divisions there.
And that's it.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
April 12 2011 02:46 GMT
#89
bonus pool is only used up only if you win right? so if you lose games for 2 weeks straight and you're bonus pool gets over the limit you get kicked out LOL

whole point of grandmaster is for the pros to be init so people can actually follow their progress w/o the need for sc2ranks, so that even the public people can be attached to players more easily. And it makes the first 2 weeks of each season more competitive and fun for the pros
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
April 12 2011 03:46 GMT
#90
I can't wait to see diamond guys having GM status on LA server, must stalk them and see if they can ever win any points!
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
April 12 2011 03:47 GMT
#91
On April 12 2011 12:46 SDream wrote:
I can't wait to see diamond guys having GM status on LA server, must stalk them and see if they can ever win any points!

It's not like being in GM somehow changes your matchmaking and your MMR, rite?
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
April 12 2011 03:52 GMT
#92
On April 12 2011 12:47 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 12:46 SDream wrote:
I can't wait to see diamond guys having GM status on LA server, must stalk them and see if they can ever win any points!

It's not like being in GM somehow changes your matchmaking and your MMR, rite?


Do you know the bronze "bug"? I am talking about something similar happening to them if GM league has too high offsets.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
April 12 2011 03:54 GMT
#93
On April 12 2011 12:52 SDream wrote:
Do you know the bronze "bug"? I am talking about something similar happening to them if GM league has too high offsets.

Bronze zero anomaly? I thought that was fixed in 1.3.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 03:56:08
April 12 2011 03:55 GMT
#94
double post
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
KneeDeeP
Profile Joined July 2010
United States256 Posts
April 12 2011 04:03 GMT
#95
Im sure changes will be made after the first season, I think this is more of a trial run than anything. I think maybe they should have players swap out on a weekly basis based on performance.
"the virtuous man is content to dream what a wicked man really does"
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
April 12 2011 04:09 GMT
#96
On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?


If all of the top 200 players who have been preselected all play their games right when the league goes live, they will stay in that league for the entire season regardless of performance, as long as they are able to keep their bonus pool below 270. Basically this is to showcase the top 200 players on the server but the activity requirement is there to keep the league from stagnating.

If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly.


Exactly.... Why is that bad??? It should have lower-bound mmr "cutoff" equal to the 200th person's mmr or slightly above because mmr's have potential to be volatile
Micro your Macro
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 12 2011 04:12 GMT
#97
How would matchmaking work? Since you're in GM, there's only 200 people in your league.
Do you play Master's then? That's pretty lousy :x
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
April 12 2011 04:14 GMT
#98
On April 12 2011 13:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
How would matchmaking work? Since you're in GM, there's only 200 people in your league.
Do you play Master's then? That's pretty lousy :x


The same way it works now: you get matched against anyone with your MMR who's looking for a game. Leagues don't enter into it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 04:16:24
April 12 2011 04:15 GMT
#99
Wow thats so dumb. I thought I finally had something to fight for again and now i realize that this league means nothing...I think blizzard has something against demoting people....

I feel bad for the REAL top 200 that can't get in once its locked...

edit: and to those of you guys that don't understand...its ridiculously easy to spend bonus pool. You can lose 20 games, your mmr will be BAD and you can win so easily.
Jaedong :3
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 04:18:54
April 12 2011 04:16 GMT
#100
On April 12 2011 11:21 -orb- wrote:
So dumb that you can get in top 200 and then lose 90% of your games for the rest of the season and remain in GM league.

Really doesn't make any sense at all.


After thinking this through, I don't think this is possible.

If you lose more than 50% of your games, your MMR will fall over time. As soon as it falls far below your displayed rating, you're going to be gaining like 1-2 points per win. If the system works consistently, and you kept losing more than 50% of your games your MMR would eventually fall so low that you'd get 0 points for wins and like -17 for a loss to MC himself - at that point, almost no matter what you do you couldn't blow your bonus pool fast enough to stay in the league.

It really turns on how MMR interacts with displayed rating in GM leagues - if GM leagues start at 0 and there's no modifier applied to the MMR to determine "desired" displayed rating, you pretty much will have to actually try to fall out of GM league, but if it starts at, say, 4000 or something it would be a lot harder to stay there.
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