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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
April 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#21
It seems really weird with it being locked in, unless each season becomes really short I see it only being a bad thing
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brotosterone
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States260 Posts
April 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#22
On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:
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On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?


If all of the top 200 players who have been preselected all play their games right when the league goes live, they will stay in that league for the entire season regardless of performance, as long as they are able to keep their bonus pool below 270. Basically this is to showcase the top 200 players on the server but the activity requirement is there to keep the league from stagnating.

If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly.


Ughh I hate that. So silly...
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12252 Posts
April 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#23
On April 12 2011 09:15 GenesisX wrote:
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On April 12 2011 09:05 Hrrrrm wrote:
On April 12 2011 08:59 GenesisX wrote:
Ah, can't play till friday... pretty sure I would have gotten in though (http://sc2ranks.com/us/372731/SCGenX) How long does it take for 270 bonus pool to accumulate? I'm guessing the first 200 people that get in will stay in there for a long long time.


Why wouldn't you just log in and surrender immediately just to get your spot?


:O. Theres an idea... when does it officially come out in NA?


I'm looking at these players' match histories and they all have a win today. You may have to play and win, and not just play a single game and get promoted regardless of the result. I've clarified the OP to this effect.
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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
April 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#24
Don't look at is as being the top 200 players of Season 2. Look at it as being the top 200 players of season 1.

These are the players who finished the best after a season and it gives us a way to track their progress in the next season.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#25
As long as the seasons are much shorter from now on (two months) it wouldn't be bad having the top 200 fixed. It is not meant to be a measure of absolute skill but more as a display of the top players. So, yeah, as long as the seasons remain short and crisp, this should be pretty cool.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 12 2011 00:22 GMT
#26
I wonder if everyone in GM league is given the same consistent MMR, so people cant just slack off at the bottom of GM league and lower their MMR to win games against mid masters. It would lower their bonus pool so they dont get kicked out.
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Snoman
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada191 Posts
April 12 2011 00:23 GMT
#27
So this is going up tonight?

Gonna be neat to check out, have something else for players to follow, a consolidated league for players that spectators like to watch.
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
April 12 2011 00:24 GMT
#28
God it's so stupid that you can't move from Masters to GM. So this means that because I couldn't play for 3 weeks I don't get in to top200 for 3 months?

wut?

Oh wait, you can still just play them anyway because of MMR right? like if a masters player ends up with the highest MMR in the region he'll be playing the top of GM all the time, right?

I don't understand the Blizzard ladder system at all Points that don't matter, leagues that don't matter, laddering takes forever, and the points that do matter are hidden and have to be figured out independently..

Oh well, as long as this doesn't prevent players from playing on multiple servers or playing the best if they are outside of GM I guess it's alright..Just kind of pointless lol
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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
April 12 2011 00:24 GMT
#29
Inactivity being the only way to remove you from GM league seems a bit odd to me... why not just update the top 200 real time..
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
April 12 2011 00:25 GMT
#30
On April 12 2011 09:10 Bean54 wrote:
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On April 12 2011 09:08 arb wrote:
On April 12 2011 09:06 Bean54 wrote:
On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?


I have the same question, please answer excalibur, thanks.

Its pretty obvious, no you cant,
they wont be removed unless their bonus pool exceeds this
so one could reason, if all of them are active, they'll all stay in


So the top players in the world wouldnt be able to achieve grandmaster? That seems kinda dumb if they can't make it a moving league like the others. Thats basically the equivalent of a 2 week season with like a 3 month lockout period.


What are you talking about? The top players in the world will be the ones IN grandmaster.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
April 12 2011 00:26 GMT
#31
On April 12 2011 09:10 Bean54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 09:08 arb wrote:
On April 12 2011 09:06 Bean54 wrote:
On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?


I have the same question, please answer excalibur, thanks.

Its pretty obvious, no you cant,
they wont be removed unless their bonus pool exceeds this
so one could reason, if all of them are active, they'll all stay in


So the top players in the world wouldnt be able to achieve grandmaster? That seems kinda dumb if they can't make it a moving league like the others. Thats basically the equivalent of a 2 week season with like a 3 month lockout period.


Except the "season" lasted almost eight months, and started when the game came.

Basically, if you want to achieve GM, you'll have to play well so you can get into it next season.

Don't worry, in theory seasons should be much shorter now.
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RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
April 12 2011 00:26 GMT
#32
wow seems like the GM league should fluctuate with the top200 list... seems rather unfair
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12252 Posts
April 12 2011 00:27 GMT
#33
On April 12 2011 09:22 Sanguinarius wrote:
I wonder if everyone in GM league is given the same consistent MMR, so people cant just slack off at the bottom of GM league and lower their MMR to win games against mid masters. It would lower their bonus pool so they dont get kicked out.


My guess would be (and I know SDream believes this to be the case) that GM just has a really high point offset, so that if you tank your MMR, your adjusted points will be so much higher than your MMR that you will always be favored, making it harder to spend your bonus pool and therefore remain active. I presume Blizzard has already thought of this, but who knows, maybe we'll see at least one GM player experiment with this and see if this is a possible way to cheat the system =)
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
April 12 2011 00:29 GMT
#34
On April 12 2011 09:20 MCDayC wrote:
As long as the seasons are much shorter from now on (two months) it wouldn't be bad having the top 200 fixed. It is not meant to be a measure of absolute skill but more as a display of the top players. So, yeah, as long as the seasons remain short and crisp, this should be pretty cool.


Er yea but what if those aren't the top players anymore?

A lot can change in 2-3 months.
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Naughty
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 00:34:35
April 12 2011 00:31 GMT
#35
On April 12 2011 09:02 tnud wrote:
Yea.. the rules have always seemed kinda iffy to me. The top 200 REAL players won't be in grandmasters due to the drop out conditions imho. You can drop down to diamond MMR and still be in grandmasters as long as you keep playing lol


You sure thats how it works? would a player not get demoted of he keeps losing to people with a lower MMR? I Though the drop out conditions where to make sure the grandmasters are active, not in place so much as to guarantee there placement as long as they keep playing.
venge1155
Profile Joined January 2011
United States174 Posts
April 12 2011 00:32 GMT
#36
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2452060#blog

It seems some of your info is off a bit.
noxn
Profile Joined December 2010
65 Posts
April 12 2011 00:33 GMT
#37
I was afraid it was going to be like this when I asked excalibur. I still think it's silly that it doesn't let you get promoted/demoted, because that would at least add more competition. People at the top of the ladder, but not quite GM wouldn't be disappointed and people at the bottom of GM would want to keep improving to maintain their position.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#38
Think of it as a hall of fame and not an active league imo.

This GM league is the hall of fame for best performers of season 1. Those who get top 200 MMR during season 2 will get enshinred in season 3.

anyway, is there a point cut/subtraction from master to grandmaster? and vice versa if you get dropped from grandmaster to master

on related note

My second thought - Wow even more hurdles for players if they want to get to the top of GM. For e.g if they ever fall out of GM and decide to start playing again, they have to wait a week to get promoted to GM(not sure about this). Then they lose all their points and have to start again climbing again from 200+. Not cool at all the "XP Decay" feels like too big of a obligation/commitment if you wanna maintain GM status


I believe the first point is not true. The only way you can be repromoted is to wait until someone drops out and your bonus pool to be below the limit. The 2nd point is probably related to my question above.
Stosh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 00:42:26
April 12 2011 00:40 GMT
#39
On April 12 2011 09:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 09:00 brotosterone wrote:
So if you don't get in on the first two weeks, and all players stay active, you can't get into GM even if you become #1 in NA in the third week?


If it were just the top 200 then the bottom ~70-80ish slots would probably be fluctuating constantly.


What exactly is the problem with having a fluctuating bottom half of the league?

For the most part, the general public is only going to be focused on the top half of the league to see who the "best players" are. Besides the players themselves, who is going to care if somebody is ranked 198 or 157? In my opinion people would pay more attention to the bottom half of the league if you had to fight to survive. It would be far more interesting to me to track a player to see if he remained in the top 200, rather then vacillating between rank 180 and 200.
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
April 12 2011 00:40 GMT
#40
I think the reason they are locking the top 200, is similar to the WC3 season ladder where they had a ladder exclusivly for the top 100 players. In addition they also invited a few good players to this exclusive ladder who might not have been that active on the ladder.
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